Avengers: Endgame

[00:00:01] I'm from the Bramble Jam Podcast Network Studios. It's Avengers Endgame with Bran and Ryan. It's the Avengers Endgame. It's the Avengers Endgame. It's the Avengers Endgame. Man! KC's showing up at night for us. Can you believe it?

[00:00:30] We are recording this Sunday night, Father's Day night. KC said, fellas, you know I don't have a good relationship with my dad. Mind if I hang out with you guys? And I said, absolutely, KC. KC's also shaking his head. He was waving me off. He said, no, don't do it. He said you didn't want me to air that laundry. And I apologize, but that's why he's there. Hi, KC.

[00:00:59] Also, this list is on a short summer hiatus. It is. So you just were champing at the bit to really play some KC. Hi, everybody. Very excited to be here today talking about Avengers Endgame. We got a lot to get to today. It's a three hour movie. A three hour film. And we are committed to doing one minute of Deck the Hallmark for every five minutes of Avengers Endgame. Wow! Which comes down to 36 minutes. Yep. So that's what we're shooting for. Yeah. Reasonable. Yeah.

[00:01:29] Actually, without the last... There's no credits, mid credits or post credits scenes. So it's actually only about 248. Yeah. If you want to look at it literally. That's right. Okay. So I'll give it one to three ratio. One to three ratio. That's very big of you. That's hour and an hour. Four. Four. Four. Four is the sweet spot. Four is the sweet spot. Yeah, man. Shall we just dive in? Wow. No banter. I think it's a good idea, but I mean, Ryan, is there anything you need to get to? We can talk about it during the way home.

[00:01:58] I'm curious how I'm doing on the best of scorecard. Oh, you're... It's high, brother. Okay. But I'll just say this. I know it's not a competition, but I kind of look at it like a competition. You know? Well, it depends on if you see yourself in the Cletus clips. I was about to say Cletus clips. Because really... I was thinking about this earlier. Cletus, I think, should have gone, would we do nine of those, 10 of those?

[00:02:24] At one point, Brian texted me and he said, the one, the best of I'm editing right now is all Cletus. Yeah. Cletus went at least nine for 10. Which the first best of for year eight is coming out this Saturday. So you can look forward to that. And I think Cletus is in that. Yes, Cletus is in that one. So you all won't have to wait much longer to revisit Cletus. All right. That's exciting. All right. Let's dive into it, shall we? Avengers Endgame is what we're talking about today.

[00:02:54] Big premiere at the Los Angeles Convention Center. At the convention center? At the convention center? Wow. They roll out a cart with a TV? What are we doing? I don't know what happened there. They didn't have an IMAX they could get to? The convention center? Get out of here. April 22nd, 2019. And then not long after, April 26th. I was going to say, wow. Everyone else. All right. Bear with me, everybody. And I want a little something like this. Wrong one again. Crickets. Oh, man. So boring, this movie.

[00:03:21] The movie kicks off by showing us what Hawkeye has been up to, what he was doing during the Infinity War. You remember that? He wasn't anywhere to be found. Turns out he was teaching his daughter how to shoot a bow and arrow. Suddenly, his wife and kids turn to dust. He has no idea why. 23 days later, Tony Stark and Nebula are stuck in space together. She's helping him heal the best she can. And they're about to run out of oxygen when Captain Marvel shows up to save them.

[00:03:47] She brings him back to Earth where they are reunited with Captain America, Hulk, Thor, Brody and Rocket. You know, the gang. The gang. The happy reunion doesn't last long. Tony goes on one of his famous freak out rants and starts saying things that he will most certainly regret. Captain Marvel gets the rundown and decides that she's going to go kill Thanos herself because she's the most powerful being whatever to exist. Seems to make a lot of sense.

[00:04:14] Everyone is like, hey, you can't just show up out of nowhere and do what we wanted to do. Do what we wanted to do. Who is this? Who is this person? But Thor's like, you know what? I like her. I think we should let her do her thing. And so they go. They track Thanos down. He's like, oh, hi, Mark. And I destroyed the stones already. My bad. So Thor cuts off his head.

[00:04:39] Fast forward five years and Scott Lang randomly pops out from the quantum realm machine. Very confused. So he goes to talk to the Avengers about his experience. He tells Cap'n Natasha about how for him, the five years was only five minutes. Today's a thousand years, eh, man? And boy, I couldn't stop thinking about... Michelle Pfeiffer. Yeah. Different pocket, folks. Bad luck with the pocket. It was a tough pocket. It was a tough pocket.

[00:05:08] Tough pocket. So maybe there's some way to use the quantum realm to go back in time and stop Thanos. Only one guy is smart enough to help. You know him. You love him. It's Tony Stark. But now Tony has a daughter. He's not interested in helping, but Tony can't forget about it. He can't let it go. And he pokes around and sure enough, he figures out how the quantum realm could help them time travel. Scott, Cap, Natasha, they turn to the next smartest guy they know, Bruce Banner, and he agrees to help.

[00:05:36] And they do some experiments, but nothing overly helpful until Tony shows up with a time traveling watch and says that it's time to get the band back together. It's time to, what's the Muppet song? It's time to play the music. Play the music. It's time to light the lights. Rainbow Connection. Yes. There goes Mr. Humbug. Mr. Grinch.

[00:05:58] So they go, they do some testing and they find out that they can go to the past and bring something back to the present without changing anything as long as you bring it back to the exact moment in time that you took it. Don't ask questions. Don't ask. So they have a plan. They team up and they go and they get to go to get to stones to bring them back to the present, which would make it to where Thanos was not able to do his thing.

[00:06:24] Banner, Lang, Rogers, Stark, they travel back to New York during Loki's 2012 invasion at the Sanctum Sanctorium. Banner persuades the ancient one to hand. Rick Santorum? Yeah, Rick Santorum is there. That's crazy. I don't know why he was there. That's wild. I don't remember that, but they did it. That's so weird. And it's like, hey, give me the time stone. Doctor Strange did it no problem. And she's like, well, I guess that's a good enough reason for me.

[00:06:50] Meanwhile, Stark Tower, Rogers successfully recovers the Mind Stone and trying to act like he's a shield agent. And Stark and Lang's plane to steal the space stone goes wrong, allowing Loki to escape with it. So they're going to have to go back another time to the 1970s where Stark is able to get it and also talk to his dad. And Cap sees his long lost love of Peggy Carter. I'm sure he'll be able to let that go. Oh, no problem. Oh, yeah. That won't come up again. No.

[00:07:18] Meanwhile, Thor and Rocket journey to Asgard in 2013. Rockets gets the reality stone from Jane Foster. Thor talks to his mom, Frigg. Are you frigging kidding me? Who snaps him out of his funk. He gets his swag back and his hammer back. In 2014, Nebula and Rhodey travel to get the power stone before Peter Quill can retrieve it. Hawkeye and Black Widow head to talk to the old Red Skull guy about the soul stone.

[00:07:47] But remember, somebody's going to have to die. It's only through the sacrifice of somebody that you love. Thank God they sent the sea team. If they fight for who should die, Natasha wins. And by that, I mean, she loses her life. But we do get the stone. Amen. Rodi and Nebula, they prepare to return to the present. But Nebula is like implant that connects. Like it's like a thing with the eye. Yeah, man. It connects.

[00:08:18] So 2014 her gets the info from the present day. 2019 her, yeah. Yes. You guys get this? Yeah, man. And so now Thor is aware. Not Thor. Thanos is aware of what is about to happen. Nebula captures 2014 Nebula and is going to send the 2014 Nebula to the present. It's a Trojan horse. Yeah. I don't think so. It's okay.

[00:08:48] I don't think you know what a Trojan horse is. I haven't seen the... I've got a movie coming out for you in a few weeks that might clear it up. Tell me about this horse. Tell me about this bomb. So they all return to the present with the stones. Sans Natasha. They get the stones. They put it on this, the iron glove. And Bruce agrees. I'll put it on. I'm the biggest dude. So it won't be a problem for me. Also, I'm radio at radio. Wow. He snaps and immediately collapses.

[00:09:14] Hawkeye immediately gets a phone call from his wife. It works. Everybody's back. The enroll credit. No. Avengers in game. No, no. No. Because the happiness doesn't last long because 2014, Gamora used a time machine for present day to get the 2014 Thanos and company to show up, shoot down the Avengers compound. It's not good, everybody. And he's like, thanks for getting all the stones together for me. You saved me a boatload of time and gave me a great idea.

[00:09:43] It's giant fight time, everybody. And it's not looking great for the Avengers, despite the fact that Thor's hammer saw Cap as was worthy enough for him to use it. But just as it was looking bleak, Dr. Strange returns by opening portals for the rest of the Avengers and Avengers adjacent heroes to show up, join the battle. Battle. Battle. Some might say Avengers assemble. Yes, that as well. Avengers assemble. Marvel.

[00:10:14] It's great. It's a real Trojan horse situation. Thank you. Yes, that's exactly right. It's a tough battle. And Scott is busy getting the van time machine back up and running so that Thanos can get destroyed. They can bring the stones back and everybody will be happy. But Captain Marvel shows up last minute. It's looking like she might be able to defeat Thanos, make everything good. But Thanos gets the gauntlet back. Captain Marvel stops him. They're fighting.

[00:10:43] It's not good. He's able to free himself. It's looking like it might be a lost cause. Tony looks over to Dr. Strange, who holds up one finger showing Tony Stark that this is the one in one 14 million chances that they're going to win. Tony's like, I got what you're saying, brother. He goes over. He's able to get the stones, put them on his own glove. He snaps. That causes Thanos and the baddies to disappear. The Avengers win. The Avengers win. Tony doesn't though. Tony dies. Oh, Tony dies.

[00:11:12] At Tony's funeral, all the Avengers show up to pay their respects and they create a new time machine. Captain America goes to return all of the stones to their proper time. He doesn't return to present day, though. Well, he does in a sense. It just took him a while because he stayed in 1970. He grew old with Peggy and they see him. They go over there. He's old now. He looks so old. And Steve, Steve, Steve gives Sam his shield. We have a new Captain America now.

[00:11:41] And that my friends was Avengers. Avengers Endgame. We did it. Good job. Yeah. Nicely done. You didn't even have to loop the song. That was actually really impressive. Yeah. That was the hardest I've ever worked. You looped the song on lesser films. Did you? No, you were really, you were locked in. Did you start? I forgot. Did you start with them with saying that they killed Thanos at the beginning? Yeah, he mentioned it. Okay. Okay. You did. Okay. I'm just making sure.

[00:12:09] But also Trojan Horse. Trojan Horse. Let's take a break. In a sense. In a sense. Well, because like she is, she's just, she sneaks in as if she's in like, cause that was the whole thing. There's people inside the Trojan. Yeah. They think it's a gift. Yeah. You don't look at gift Trojan Horse in the mouth. So the gift, the gift is every, is it working, but then Nebula is a gift. She acts like she's a gift, but she turns out she's an enemy.

[00:12:38] That's just being a traitor, not a Trojan Horse. Nothing comes out of her. We have 39 minutes to the way home. I try to speak on your level, Dan. What up all you Trojan Horse nerds out there? That's right. So complicated to understand the Trojan Horse. I thought that I nailed that. Yeah, man. So let's get to the, the hot take. It's where we share exactly how we felt about this movie. We don't hold back. I'll start with you. Right guy.

[00:13:08] Yeah. So I saw this on opening night, had a really great crowd and it was by night three or four of this film being out. The crowds were great because it was the trendy thing to do. Yeah, man. Our crowd was great just because it was organic when we were all really excited to see Avengers Endgame. So I'm very memorable theater experience. I was super excited. So not to bury the lead. I think this movie is really, really great. I do not think it's better than Infinity War, Winter Soldier or Black Panther, which are my top three.

[00:13:37] So, and I don't think that's controversial. I don't think it's like a universal opinion that this is the best Marvel film of all time. A lot of people have it at number one and I understand why. It's a just a scope short of that for me. I think the emotional beats in the beginning of the film really, really work. The first 20 or so minutes of this film, I think you'll both agree with this, are like a direct sequel to Infinity War.

[00:14:00] Like could have not rolled the credits in Infinity War, could have shown Thanos sitting silently and pivoted straight into Hawkeye teaching archery. And I think there's an argument that this whole film could have, you could do this film setting it days and weeks after Infinity War and not doing five. There's two ways to make this film. Yeah. Right. And so I would say that I like, maybe this is because I'm such a big Infinity War fan. And it's my number one film overall.

[00:14:27] I really like the vibe of those first 20 minutes. And I still am saying I love this film, but especially from like the crafting of the time heist and then kind of the what I'm going to call the series finale esque moments of this film. Put it to me a significant notch below those top three that I mentioned. It's a, it's a deserved victory lap for the MCU. Right. It's like this movie very much what they did was we've talked about it for weeks already.

[00:14:56] What they've done was incredible. The last two films, not counting the two in between, but Infinity War and this were achievements in and of themselves. But it very much plays like, this is the end. We're going to pat ourselves on the back. We're going to give you all. And I love fan service. That's why I have civil war so high. Right. Yeah. But also behind you. Yeah. I was about to say, this is like, this is the ultimate fan service movie. And it's right. Yeah.

[00:15:22] And so, but I would say that element of it, that, that piece of it, and it's more than just that, but on first watch, that was the greatest dopamine hit you could ever have. I think it loses a little, and I've seen this movie at least four or five times. Right. And I saw it several times in theaters. I think it loses a little on each rewatch because it's, it's not the series finale of the MCU. Right.

[00:15:44] It's like, we've been going for seven years now since this, with all of that said, you know, cap wielding the hammer and Avengers assemble are not all time MCU moments. They're like all time theater moments for me, like the, the rush of those moments. And they were super earned. They were super well crafted. I think Scarlett Johansson is incredible in this film. She's the MVP for me. It's either her or RDJ.

[00:16:08] Um, and yeah, listen, all the emotional beats land, especially in that, that third act, that third hour, they land the plane with all that stuff. This movie slaps. I have a fourth overall. I think it's great. It's just like I said, a notch below my top three. I would be surprised though. Brand, if this finishes lower than fourth for me, I would be surprised, not shot. Oh, like overall, like you have nothing coming up. I would be surprised if any film coming up tops this. Got you. I can think of maybe one or two, but if I had to guess, I'm not a betting man anymore. I got a wedding coming up.

[00:16:38] I'm not giving that up. Yeah. Uh, but, uh, I would, I would, if I had to bet it stays fourth overall through the end of the exercise. I got two possibles that I think could, could mess with my top, not, not saying that I, that I have this fourth. I'm saying that I have two that could mess around with my top three or four. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Doggy go home. Doggy go home. We don't need to listen. A lot of people don't consider that a, a Marvel proper. It's like the Sony Spider-Man thing. Right. Doggy go home. Right. Right. But I do personally. Yeah, I do.

[00:17:08] Um, yeah, it's tough, uh, to know what to do with this movie because it does. It's just, it is, it, it does feel like it is just right there that you could have just kept watching. And, uh, many, many, many do, many, many, many are saying many watch five and a half hours and slide right into it. Yeah. And I don't blame you because that's quite the journey. Um, the emotional moments, uh, of this movie, um, that hits really hits.

[00:17:34] And I think that making Tony a father was brilliant and really hits him being, him being willing to sacrifice, uh, you know, himself for the sake of everybody, even though it meant his daughter who, you know, that wasn't a part of the plan initially. It wasn't, it wasn't thinking of himself. He was going to be a father, a father. Um, and now he is. And, uh, what, what all that goes into that was, was, was brilliant.

[00:18:02] I, I still have infinity war a smidge ahead, uh, because just because that, that ending, it is, it's just so good. That find that, that battle is amazing. I have that battle as more exciting than the battle in end game. Wow. And, uh, but it's, I mean, it's just right there. The ending of, of infinity war is iconic. Like it's an iconic ending. It's also a much longer battle scene. Correct.

[00:18:29] Uh, Dan, you might know this and I like, they thought about, and I don't know how loud they would have done this. They thought about making the battle in this film three acts in and of itself, but then the film would have literally been. Holy cow. No, I didn't know that. I don't know how far in development that got, but again, that's a different version of the film. Like this, obviously like if you're watching this movie, you know, like, you know that they're going to win at the end.

[00:18:52] And that's, it is what I think watching infinity war, like, even though you knew it was just a setup for end game, that was still so shocking to the way that they did it. The fading, the dust, all that is so powerful and amazing. So I have, I, I have a end game fourth, Iron Man at three infinity war to black Panther one. That's what I have is my top four. Um, we'll see if it changes. That's just, that's just right now though. That's just right now. Yeah. All right, Dan.

[00:19:21] So this is really, really hard. Um, here's the thing is this movie doesn't work on a lot of levels that aren't emotional. So the, it doesn't write the time travel of this movie. Like we do a little show called the way home where we are consistently upset and how they just stomp on any sort of like the, the other disregard for that, like time travel there. Like the, this time travel is, is a mess.

[00:19:49] Um, and the movie is three hours long and is convenient and contrived in a lot, a lot of ways. And in a vacuum, right? If I were to watch infinity war and I were to watch this movie in a vacuum and just like objectively look at those movies on their own without anything else. Infinity war is the better movie. That's just not how these movies are made.

[00:20:14] And not only that, but over the last five months, I've watched all of them. I've watched all of these movies over the last five months. And what I can tell you is this is there is nothing more impressive than end game. As far as what we've done so far, I think there are better movies. I think black Panther is a better movie, but in game is a mess.

[00:20:35] If we look at it logistically, but if you look at this movie as a tight rope balancing act that honors every single movies plot line that came before it and honors every single hero that came before it and gives fan service. The absolute best name fan service is the bane of my existence because typically it's done instead of making a good movie.

[00:21:00] This movie gives a perfect close to the Iron Man book. They killed their main character. They kill their main character for good. Now, doomsday is probably going to ruin that and that's going to have to make me go back and re and re rank this. But as it stands right now, it's not what they're doing. It's okay. Whatever. We'll talk about it. And what a Marvel as it stands right now.

[00:21:24] Like I can look at this movie and say, there are parts of this movie that make no sense. Whereas all of infinity war makes sense, but I can't, I just can't do it. My heart will not let me the last 45 minutes of this movie are unequivocally the best thing that Marvel's ever made guys. Like I, I just like, I don't, I don't think the battle in infinity war is nearly as good as this battle.

[00:21:48] I mean, from the time that captain America wields Thor's hammer, it is just all in raise, raise, raise. I'm going to be honest. The hammer thing did nothing. Oh my God. No, I did. In the movie theater. Did you see this movie in a theater? Like, I mean. Oh my God. Opening night Panda and I were there. The place went nuts. It was like, it was like the Knicks won the NBA title in the theater. And then he says Avengers assemble. No, Avengers assemble works.

[00:22:15] And then more, and then this didn't get a round of applause. But for me, full chills when like Stark on your left is also great, but then Stark Stark realizes what it's going to take. And you see strange go one perfectly amazing. And then I'm Iron Man brought the house down guys.

[00:22:38] Like this is everything about why we decided to buy into 22 Marvel movies over the course of 11 years. And I get it before that last 45 minutes there. You got to deal with a hodgepodge beluga of contrived time travel things that we will get into in the weight. What? But my God, we watched Iron Man and couldn't believe they had the stones to make that movie. No pun intended.

[00:23:06] And I watched Infinity War and I saw the arc of a narcissist alcoholic become Jesus on screen. I saw him be right about Civil War, which we'll also get to later, and still swallow his pride and do the right thing. I saw Steve Rogers get back with Peggy. I saw Hulk finally man up and get over whatever kind of thing was going on with him. I saw Black Widow sacrifice for the team.

[00:23:36] I saw Groot back on the street. All of it. Guys, it is. Groot was a weird one to tie in. Groot was a weird one. It was a weird one to tie in. I go rock it over. I was really picking up, and I realized I had nowhere to go. I saw James Gunn's brother in the Guardians. I saw Quill. Can we pour one out for Quill? Nebula, everybody. I'm like amen, amen. You're right. We saw Groot.

[00:24:05] I should have gone with Sylvester Stallone. Michelle Pfeiffer was in this movie. What I'm saying is this, is that this movie, like this was made in a decade of last part turned into two movies. Hunger Games turned into two movies. Harry Potter turned into two movies. It is like in all of those situations. Oh, The Matrix probably. Twilight. The Matrix did it first a decade before this or two.

[00:24:35] None of those movies, both of them are good. None of them. The Mockingjay part one and part two kind of suck. The first Harry Potter finale sucks. The second one is actually really good in my opinion. Twilight, both bad. Matrix, both bad. Guys, Infinity War. I don't want to talk about it. I don't want to talk about it. Infinity War is an amazing movie,

[00:24:55] but for them to have literally the weight of the universe on their shoulders and to have the weight of every fan base there and for them to do what they did in the last 45 minutes of this movie is just crazy. It is degree of difficulty, a thousand of ten. Last 45 minutes, you nailed it. You absolutely nailed it. And so it is better than Infinity War. It is not number one for me. Put a number one, you coward. No, I will not put a number one. For Groot's. I've got it three. I've got it three. Okay.

[00:25:24] Black Panther, Iron Man, Endgame. In that order. And then I have Infinity War 4. So I got one ahead. And I got to be honest. It's crazy because I'm not bit like, I'm the guy who's like, this movie's a better movie. And I don't disagree with you that on paper, Infinity War is a better movie. Endgame, it just, guys, it's like the SEC. It just means more. Do you know what I mean? It just means like, there were so many ways this could have gone so wrong. And instead, you get what you think

[00:25:52] is the final send-off of Captain America and Iron Man. Now, obviously it isn't because Steve Rogers will return in Doomsday. And Tony Stark from a different universe is coming back in Doomsday. But at the time, there were finally some stakes that matters. Black Widow dead. Iron Man dead. Captain America, he's 98. He's dead, right? Like, all of these things mattered so very much. And I, like,

[00:26:20] Infinity War erased half the population of the universe. But we knew it didn't matter. This movie, the stakes were real and it cost them something. And I got to reward them for that. So for me, it's three. All right. Let's get to all the feels. All the feels. Talk about the feels. Dan rattle off a lot of them. Yeah. But let's see if there's any left over. I'll start with you, right guy? Well, what I would say is, I mean, you know, all the ones Dan mentioned could all be the answer. But for me, reaction videos

[00:26:50] to the big scenes during COVID is my, like, I missed the, dude, at this point, like, I was, A-list is out by now. Like, I am going to, I mean, not nearly as many as I go to now. I'm always going to be behind brand. But like, you know, I see 50 to 60 movies a year now. At that point, I was doing, I don't know. Yeah, I was, I was, I was doing like 30s, but which was a lot. And like, so COVID sucked for an abundance of reasons. Right. But I really missed the movies and I'm not joking. I would watch, I mean, I still do, but I would watch Avengers Endgame

[00:27:19] reaction videos on YouTube legitimately probably like once a month. And they, like, I was like, and so it was cool to relive those moments. It was cool to place myself in the theater on that opening night. So yeah, take any pick, like on your left, Avengers Assemble, The Hammer, all of those are great choices, but I like watching people. I like watching people be happy to stuff that I like. And so that was great. Um, you know, maybe it is because I watched the last hour of this on Father's Day, um, but there are two Tony Stark moments that really,

[00:27:49] really worked for me. And, uh, one of them is Tony and Peter reuniting and, uh, Tony, uh, Robert Downey Jr. acted the heck out of that. Like, this little moment, this facial, when he sees this kid, man, it was great. He's really good. But then at the end, of course, he gives this very sweet, like through the hologram and then he gets up,

[00:28:17] goes and gets like on his daughter's level and says, I love you 3000. And that freaking worked. Yeah. So maybe it's Father's Day bump for me, but both those moments got me real good. Before he was Iron Man, like Downey Jr. was like one of America's better character. Like he was such a good, like he still is such a good actor. And I think a lot of people just think of him as Iron Man. He's an amazing, also Gwyneth Paltrow. Yeah. Uh, her scene when Tony dies, she's like, really good. She doesn't remember being in this film, but she's really good. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:28:47] Mine is also, I've never met Tom. No, I don't know who that is. Uh, mine is also Tony Stark related, but it is the Tony Stark, Howard Stark scene. Uh huh. I think John Slattery, I just think he's amazing as an actor in general. The scene with Tony and Howard Stark, top notch of all of those. I mean, I didn't even get to my hot take, but to go back and give even fan service to your favorite parts of these movies, also pretty cool. Yeah. But the Tony Stark,

[00:29:16] Howard Stark scene. Great. All day. Sign me up all day. Great stuff. Yep. Imagine if Groot was in that scene. Dude, Groot would have taken it. Could you imagine? He always does. Can you imagine if he came in on a Trojan horse? Yes. Imagine. That's made of, made of what? Wow. He is the hole in the sense. In there. You wouldn't know. If they scanned it, they'd think it was just all wood. It's all wood. Trojan Groot. Trojan Groot. Let's take a break. We'll come back. We'll get to the wait. What? And the, what a marvel.

[00:29:46] Written in the Stars Hollow. Deck the Hallmark. Well, hello everybody. Hopefully you're doing well. Today on a Marvel Monday, a marvelous Monday. I hope it's time for the wait. What is where we talk about? What? And this movie made us going. What? I'll start with you. Right guy. I don't want to be insensitive, but statistically, it feels like the odds of Clint losing his entire family.

[00:30:15] We're really low. I'm sure this happened to people. Yeah. Right. But he has three kids and a wife. That's four. I mean, so four out of five, that's tough. I mean, I'm not saying what he did was justified. I would never say that, but I mean, very bad luck. Like, it's a one in 16 chance. Yeah. It's one half times, one half times, one half times. Yeah. I'm sure he wasn't the only one, but I mean, man, what a, what a tough break. Yeah. Does, does cap live on?

[00:30:44] I appreciate that. Uh, does cap live on Avengers campus? I'm not, and I'm not judging him. If he does, we found out that the salary is dirt. Nothing. Yeah. It's a lovely campus. Uh, I just really want to know. And then, so I would do the same thing. Um, LOL at Thor and captain Marvel having more chemistry in their 10 second, only seen together than, uh,

[00:31:13] black widow and the Hulk ever have. And, uh, literally those 10 seconds of Thor saying, I like this one. I was like, Oh yeah, I ship these two. Uh, Thor captain Marvel movie right now. That would have been the way to go to that point. There was another lovely banger of a Natasha cap scene. And they, they, they saw they, they don't even do anything with Hulk and black widow in this movie. They, they made a bad choice and they said, we can't change it.

[00:31:40] And he's got to dance with Peggy at the end of the deal. I think when they made, uh, what was that winter? So is that winter soldier? I think when they made that and then they realized the chemistry was just flying off the, off the screen, it was like, Oh no, because I bet that's the Russo brothers. I bet you there was at least a big conversation. Yeah. Yeah. Conversation happening where cap cannot have a love interest. Yeah. So, you know, that's tough because those two, their chemistry was great at one point.

[00:32:10] Yeah. And the scene in this movie is great. captain Marvel shows up late again. I mean, what are we doing? And then like Steve has to like ask her nicely to assist. Captain Marvel being late for that big battle. What could you have possibly had going on? Especially with half the population going, I'm not saying there's not intergalactic crime. I'm sure there's intergalactic crime. But this is the fight of the universe, right? She says, I've got other things in the universe going on early in the movie. Great. This is the fight of the universe. How are you this late?

[00:32:40] Did she, did she get a haircut in the beginning? Her hair short after the first scene. Okay. I was like, I was like, was she late? Was she late? She was getting a haircut. No, no, no. Okay. I'm guessing Brie Larson just had to have that for another role in real life. No, sometimes you have to push the, you lose half the population. You lose half your hair. I know this with our barber. You got to get in there and then you, if you move it, yeah. Oh, that's put your, that's multiple weeks out. So I wouldn't, I wouldn't blame anybody. Of course not.

[00:33:09] Then last one for me here, Bran. How did Tony get the stones on his glove? I, how does he do it? Did you catch how he did it? I did not catch. No, it was a real interesting slide of for the, all of the, all of the respect, paid to how it, to handling these stones, the sleight of hand that Tony Stark pulls in a matter of seconds. The only thing I can figure is, is he's also, you know, he's covered in iron or whatever that is. And so he's not touching them themselves,

[00:33:37] but I still think popping all those off and putting them on his gloves somewhere. I don't know how he did it. I don't care, but you're right. I don't know. I know it's not the same circumstance as infinity war because they, he didn't have his gauntlet at that point. I, but even so, and by the way, I, I hate potato, hot potato MacGuffin. And, and the, but this is the best hot potato MacGuffin of all time. Like, you know, it's a great hot potato MacGuffin. I, I'm not, I'm not a big MacGuffin guy.

[00:34:07] Love MacGruber, but, but, uh, but yeah, that's it for me, Branagh. Yeah. I listen. I, uh, while we're talking about haircuts, what's Hawkeye doing? What is this weird villain, a haircut? So my guy lost his entire family. How long did it take him to go full villain and then go, Oh, I'm going to get the villain haircut while I'm at it. I'm going to do this crazy thing. Give me the Rick wild thing Vaughn in the back. Give me a bald fade on the side. I just,

[00:34:37] you know, uh, I like Hawkeye fine. I didn't like that haircut and I just want him to know that. And I want that on the record. There were other things to do during that period of time. Uh, how long do you think it took for barbershops to open back up? Oh, I don't know. Was it like COVID? Was there an order of things that could open back up? All the barbers were gone in the snap. That was the problem. Yeah. It was hard to find a good one. Maybe he still hasn't found one. Apparently that was the problem. He lost his entire family and his barber in the snap. Yeah. Oh, it shows brother. It shows. Um,

[00:35:07] I gotta be honest. I, I, I, I, I, why don't, why don't we, why don't we do the quantum realm time travel thing for everything? God. I, cause it, it works. It works with no real ramifications. They didn't have the Pimparticles. I love this plot. If they, this is going to sound terrible. Well, I, I want the end of this movie to be exactly what it was. This plot only works if they don't fight Thanos at the end. Okay. So like, okay. All right. So like,

[00:35:37] I don't know how much time we have for this, but there's single timeline can't change. Right. Single timeline can change, can change alternate universe. Every time you do something, it, it, it's, it's right. Which is what would happen if they took the stones and did what they're explaining is, is they're going to do that, but they're going to bring them back to keep the sacred timeline in. Right. Right. The way they do that is, is they get all of the things, they snap everybody back to life and then they take the stones into the Pym van and then they take them back in time. Correct.

[00:36:06] But instead, Thanos time travels and they killed 2014 Thanos. Correct. Correct. Sacred timeline. Yeah. The movie doesn't, it doesn't work. You're right. He can't guys. Sacred timeline. 2014 Thanos cannot die. Yeah. It doesn't work. It just doesn't work. If they do everything else and they put them all back afterwards, I, but I'm here. I'm like, all right. I mean, every time travel movie has some sort of plot hole.

[00:36:35] You can't do that. So what you're saying is that by bringing them back, they would then also put 2014 Thanos back. He wouldn't, he would be gone and never like he can't, they killed Thanos in 2024. If they, the 2014 version of him, that's right. Right. He's gone. Yeah. It's another reason why I think that the version that I'm sure they at least talked about where it's just probably what we all thought it would be, which is infinity war ends.

[00:37:02] And then you're in the same kind of couple of days or couple of weeks after, and they kill 2018 Thanos. It's like, uh, that's cleaner. Yeah. Yeah. That's a cleaner way to do it. The five years later card in the theater really raised the stakes. It hits so hard. Yeah. And so, and then, then the only way to do what they do is that bring in time travel. And so it's that push and pull that I was talking about. Like on first viewing, you're not thinking about, no, I think that, I mean, like we could also get like the captain America thing doesn't work either.

[00:37:32] I don't really, how does he show up that exact spot? It doesn't, no, I, yeah, I just, it doesn't work either, but you give it because it's such an emotional, like he literally is old. He can't be captain America anymore. Like, yeah, I know that it doesn't make sense. Right. But how he did it and what he did, but the fact that he gave it up is all you need for it to win the day. Right. And it's impossible for me, for me not to be thinking about like Spider-Man right now, because we've got brand new day coming out.

[00:38:02] Yes. Brand new day coming out at about a month, which is about, you know, this, the consequence of the only way out of the situation at the end of no way home. Right. Dumbest endings. Oh, everybody has to forget about me. Hey, maybe do the thing. Just do the thing again, do the thing again, do the thing again. But like now that I just thought of this, but Steve Rogers goes back in time. He still lets Bucky in that sacred timeline, still lets Bucky join Hydra. Hydra has infiltrated. You've got to have a lot of restraint.

[00:38:30] He lets from 20 to 1970 on. I think he goes back further than 70. I think because they show him in a car from the fifties. Okay. I'm pretty sure he goes back. Yeah. He goes back to the fifties. So it's a lot of restraint, bro. Yeah. He lets all that Hydra infiltrate shield. He let shield fall apart. What are what? It's a, just a classic. You have to not think about it, which is, yeah, I mean, I'm not telling you not to think about it. Well, listen, man, you've got this movie higher than I mean. I know. I know. I know.

[00:38:58] He should have showed up to 1995 and meet Carol and be like, do more. It just, do more. It just, stop this from happening. It goes to show you way home that if you'll land the plane, I will forgive a lot of logic. We're going to find out about 15 minutes. That's right. My last one is this. I thought that the learning curve for the hammer would have been higher than it is. Like he gets it and he's immediately like doing lightning. Bam. He knows all the, I know he's been working with Thor for a while now, but also it's been five years since he's seen this sucker. So,

[00:39:28] but he's, he knows exactly what to do. And I guess maybe it comes with it when you get it. It also down, you know, it's a tutorial, you know, it right away. Dano. Yeah. I, I'll try to go through these quickly. Thanos at the beginning of this movie says the line, I use the stones to destroy the stones. And I think it's one of the worst lines ever written for the big screen. I just think it sounds like Rocky. Like I use the stones to destroy the stone. Shut up. We get it. Tony Stark was right about civil war.

[00:39:57] I think we can put that to bed now. What are we doing? Captain America. And most people, I guess the disagree with brand and I, that he was right about civil war. Clearly he wasn't. They do. No, no, no. They do. Bold take by Marvel to not have time for panic attacks. Couldn't believe it. Thor's having a panic attack and they're like, Hey buddy, we're going to need you to get the F over it because we've got a universe to say, I can't, I know it's 2019. 2019.

[00:40:27] We should be better about that. We should at least acknowledge that Thor has been through some stuff. Somehow. We've all been having a panic attack for the last five years. Okay, we're going to need you to get over. You know how every year in PE, maybe it was just my, uh, uh, child rearing, but in PE at my school, you'd have the basketball unit and the PE teacher would always split the teams equally. And then one day they let all the basketball players play together. Do you remember that day? Do you know this? Did you guys ever had this happen? I was on the basketball player team. Yeah. Well,

[00:40:56] you would not one day you'd be like, well, they're letting us all play together. That's kind of crazy. And it wouldn't, it wouldn't last long, but it would, but, but it was something that my PE teacher did every year. I can only imagine that that is how nebula, black widow, Hawkeye and war machine feel. When hearing, when hearing, all right, Thor's going to take rocket to Asgard. Got it. Banner, Roger Stark, all going to Manhattan. Got it. Wait a minute.

[00:41:23] So you mean to tell me that nebula and the gang nebula and the three completely unpowered individuals are going off on an adventure without any real Avenger, none still with no iron suits to be found. None. Story at five years to make some suits, a crazy move, an absolute crazy. My, my bigot, like I, I couldn't believe how big of a part nebula had in this movie. I forgot about crazy,

[00:41:52] like pretty crucial to this entire thing is nebula. Also. And I know that I'm the one that had this movie higher than infinity war. This is the ultimate. I can't believe that you messed with time travel before Steve Rogers goes back to the fifties, Peggy meets a man and has children. Now that he's back in the fifties, those children no longer exist. Tough break for them.

[00:42:20] Steve Rogers had to dance with his girl. He literally killed children. I don't said it. A lot of restraint from a lot of restraint from Steve Rogers to dance with that girl. He killed children, child killer, Steve Rogers, captain America. He also says hail Hydra in this film. Yeah. So, yep. All right. Dance. Those are great dance. Anything else? That's all I got. It's time for one of more. But Bucky does kill Tony's parents.

[00:42:50] Steve Rogers is going to let that fly as well. What are we doing? Yeah. End game still better somehow. Don't ask. I don't want to talk about overall film about to change my mind. Just a symbol. Well, group. Yeah. Group. Group. Group crushes in that third act. He does. On screen for 10 seconds. Let's. But boy. Boy. 10. What a marvel. What do you got? What do you got? So when this re-releases this coming September, when we're recording this about three months or so from now,

[00:43:20] they're adding footage that apparently leads up right into doomsday. I'm really curious what that looks like. I think it can only be one of two things, but I think it's the less likely option is that they add some footage into the film. I think it's more likely that it's a either post-credit scene or what I'm hoping for, like a post-credit 20 minute prologue for doomsday. There's no way. I would be stunned. But they've been filming for however many months and years now on this thing. So I'd be, I,

[00:43:49] but I just saw this movie. Listen, I probably shouldn't say this live on the internet. I don't know if I need to see it in theaters. I'll probably just kind of, you know, mosey on in. I'll do the math in my head. Yes, correct. I'm not going back to watch. I give AMC enough money every year. So I don't feel too bad about it, but it can't be required viewing for before. I think, I think they want to be as avatar. Number one, all time. Avatar, uh, avatar one is number one all time. Yes. I think they,

[00:44:18] I think their plan business wise is be like, you have to see this. And then though they can overtake number one with end game. They're going to, they're going to make people go see. I don't know if people will, and it's going to get out of the internet caught up to speed before doomsday. Or here's the only thing. Well, I know we're low on time, but they keep saying, which is its own kind of weird thing. And then I'll be curious to see how it plays out. They're saying doomsday. The Russos have said they're treating doomsday as a direct sequel to end game,

[00:44:48] which doesn't make any sense. It's intriguing. It's intriguing. What does that mean? Like, I don't know. They're saying that like the people went away for the last five years. What does that look like? It's almost as though they're saying, it's almost as though they're saying that everything we've done for the last seven years has by and large sucked. Downey has said the opposite. Downey's like, we're, we're, we're wiping the slate clean. We're asking to get your trust back. Totally conflicting reports. Again, I think the Russo saying that is intriguing. It, I don't know what that would look like. And I don't know if it could work. I'm on,

[00:45:17] I'm on the record as saying, I think Downey is, is still going to be a Tony Stark. I'm also on the record right now as saying, if they did this with any other actor in that universe, I'd be pissed. The only actor that can go back and play a villain, in my opinion, is Robert Downey Jr. Because he was a villain. Yeah. Like that's it. He was an arms dealer. Yeah. That's it. It makes sense that in a universe. Of course. Also, Avengers Endgame made more money here in the United States. Avatar made more money worldwide. Right. Worldwide.

[00:45:47] Yeah. But Avengers Endgame is behind by over 130, 120-ish million dollars. Right. Which is why I think there is a scenario where they say, it's a really long 10, 15, whatever minutes. They would have to, it would have to be a blockbuster. They would have to sell enough tickets to make over a hundred million dollars on a movie. That's like almost 10 years old. That would be crazy. I'm not saying that's what I think will happen. I'm saying if they, if that's their goal, which I'm kind of just presuming that they want to overtake number one worldwide all time.

[00:46:15] I think it's going to have to be something like that. You're going to, a lot of people will go see Endgame in theaters again, especially a few months before Doomsday. Oh, I think you'll make 30 to $50 million. But not enough to overtake it. Unless you're saying this is a, here's this exact, here's this mini movie to get you ready for the next movie. Yeah. That's it, until 2034 when it's the 25th anniversary of avatar. And they put that back in theater. Yeah. I mean, we're just, it's the devil's dance. Yeah. That's all it is. Devil's dance. You've really intrigued me here. You've really, that's a bold, that's a crazy,

[00:46:45] that's a bold move. There's no world where they're giving a 20 minute. I'm not saying that's what I think will happen. I'm saying if they do, then it'll make $200 million. If they do 20 minute prologue, it will, it will make 20, it'll make $200 million at the box office easy for people who are like, I got to see every second of every Marvel. I don't want to go into Doomsday. Yeah. Dumb. Yeah. It'd be a dumb day. And Doomsday is only the first half of secret wars, right? Correct. Is it secret? Yes. So like, Doomsday is the infinity war of this new one. The next two Marvel movies are Doomsday and secret. I don't think there's anything in between. Oh God.

[00:47:15] They learned their lesson. Yeah. Well, they were supposed to do. Kang was supposed to be a big deal. Oh, and then Kang became a smaller deal. And then there, there's rumors that Kang is now a big deal again. Cause Jonathan majors, didn't he get cleared? I don't know. It's, you know, we're, this isn't, uh, this isn't, uh, the, the gavel gavel, you know? Yeah. Yeah. That's not what we're here to talk about. You know, last I heard majors was in a weird,

[00:47:41] like D budget action movie where somebody actually fell through a real window. And there was like a problem on set. So I don't know if he's back. Avengers secret Wars comes out December 17th, 27. You mean to tell me there's no Marvel movie coming? I don't believe so. Oh man. That would be God is all the time. Let's do that. We got, we got go. Yeah. I mean, doomsday is mine too. Doomsday is mine. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. 100%. It's a great one. Doomsday is mine too. I'm fascinated.

[00:48:09] Like Steve Rogers returning pisses me right off. Mark is there in any form or fashion. I'm going to be even angrier. I'm talking a full thumbs down. I will get on this podcast, but this movie sucks. If those two people are both in it, can I ask you this? Groot. Richard, dude. Oh, I can't wait for Groot. He hasn't been in any of the promos. Yeah. He's going to be so emotional. Well, because obviously like they've said, we're not doing guardians. My guardians is done. That's right. Right. Yeah. But as far as I know,

[00:48:39] tears. Yeah. Yeah. I will say since if it ends up just being a nothing burger, two minute post-credits scene for end game, I'll cover that. You guys don't have to go see it. I'll take one for the team. Yeah, you will. And sneak into an AMC laser screening for you. We love it. Thank you. And go just FaceTime me. I'll watch it that way. Don't do that. It's a joke. We did it. Everybody. Congratulations to us. We're back soon. What's next? Spider-Man. Spider-Man. Far from home. Far from home.

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