Catch Me If You Can (2002) ft. Alonso Duralde

[00:00:00] Hi, I'm Brandon. I love 2002 Christmas movies. I'm Dan, and I despise 2002 Christmas movies I'm Alonso and Stephen who and this is the deck Hi everybody happy Oh my gosh, it's Monday. It's Monday. It's Monday of Bramble Fest week. It's Monday of Bramble Fest week

[00:00:39] Bramble Fest week is here. I'm doing just two short days. You'll be here. It's unbelievable Packing my bags as we speak. I love it. Hey, wow Can I tell you what? I was I hopefully not as you speak because we are

[00:00:55] Thought for sure you're gonna say I love Steven Spielberg Christmas movies and I was that was a bridge too far for me No, I wouldn't do that. Yeah, I wouldn't do that He's made so many

[00:01:11] Oh, I was it took us back to 2002 what were you into? What were you doing in 2002? So in 2002 I was an editor at a magazine called the advocate which is still around but in a much smaller form as most print media is these days. I

[00:01:27] My distinct memory of seeing this movie I Have gotten to a point now where I don't try to police Movie theaters if I'm paying if I'm buying a ticket

[00:01:38] I'm seeing it with regular folks and somebody who have said phone out or somebody's talking too loud unless it's egregious I just I let it go. I let it go. It's like whatever

[00:01:46] But if I'm at a press screening and everybody there is like a professional allegedly, I expect better behavior Yeah So I remember being at the screening of this movie and the credits are happening the cool animated credits

[00:02:00] I love animated opening credits and this couple behind me will not shut up and they are not using their inside voices It's like And I turned around and told the guy to put a sock in it in a much more polite way

[00:02:14] I'm sure and he responded by throwing popcorn at me I'm not I'm not I'm not getting into this not today not today But yeah, so that that is the thing that I remember most about going to see the press screening of catch me if you can at

[00:02:30] The end of 2002 did they stop talking? Once the movie started. Yes, but like this notion that the credits don't count You're talking over a John Williams score

[00:02:42] Thank you exactly like that kid throws his fishing line in the water and then that is your cue to shut up everybody That's right. Yeah, that's right Dream works What a time can you imagine throwing popcorn in someone's face?

[00:02:59] Well, it was at my back back in my head, but still it does not it does not well has that happened since The popcorn specifically no I have occasionally had to school some fools about their behavior in a professional atmosphere although there

[00:03:18] The moment we can't stop talking about Dave White is at a screening of the movie and there's a young lady on her phone And he tries to get her to like put it away and she stares him dead in the face and says there is no phone Wow

[00:03:34] What do you even do with that? That's a move right there? That is a move. That's like I You almost have to respect it You know, they it is a who thought the psychological warfare card was gonna get played but you know, you're the one on the phone

[00:03:51] Catch her if you can That's right. That's right. I remember specifically one of my earliest movie theater experiences Was Toy Story and I remember my dad getting really mad at these teenagers Yucking it up in the theater the thing you have to give is at kids movies

[00:04:12] I used to be real mad at kids like I still if people were talking to movies it drives me nuts But at a kids movie, you just have to be like this is it. This is why we're here

[00:04:22] I think it was the fact that they were teenagers like just you know goofing off You know, you know, you see you take your whole family or family of five kids That's a whole thing

[00:04:36] It's funny you mentioned Toy Story because I remember going to the screening of that that I got invited to when I was living in Dallas Was on a Saturday morning and I was like, oh, I hate seeing these movies with children

[00:04:46] You know, but Toy Story was so good that they didn't make up peep. Yeah, they were silent and engaged throughout I was like, that's how I know this movie is great You were gonna write in a terrible review too

[00:04:58] I just I mean I would psych to see it but I wanted to see it in a knot, you know And but I'll tell I have reviewed movies though that were like just awful forgettable kids cartoons

[00:05:07] And if the kids start like running around in front of the screen to entertain themselves, that's what I know This is a turkey. Oh, I know where my kids are not like as locked in on movies pretty quickly. Yeah I took them to Rally Road Racers

[00:05:24] That came out like last year But and literally no one saw it it was just us here. My kids were not into it. They wanted to like run around I was like whatever Have at it kids

[00:05:39] Did what when somebody throws popcorn at the back of your head right before movie starts Does it did it take you a second to get like I'm sure that was frustrating Did I could I couldn't it was one of those things sometimes, you know

[00:05:52] Where like something happens and you're just so not ready for it. You don't even have a response You're like that was not where I saw this going But yeah, I did this point. It's just like all right fine. You're you're beyond repair

[00:06:05] Reviews editor for the advocate like did you write a review on this movie? I was the arts I started as deputy arts and entertainment editor and became the arts entertainment editor But I pretty much just reviewed movies that had like some specifically LGBTQ plus comment

[00:06:20] Content rather I mean later. I think for the website I would start doing more stuff like you know when legally blonde came out or whatever, but Yeah, it was not a movie I reviewed

[00:06:29] But I was a member of LA film critics so I still want to see it of course. Yeah You have to of course let's talk about it. I'd catch me if you can it Premiered on December 25th. I don't know if you heard it's Christmas. That's why we're 2002

[00:06:46] And it went all something like this as Alonzo mentioned the movie kicks off with some great animation Title sequence set to John Williams music and if you're not in after that I wrote this down Alonzo if you're not enduring that I don't know what to tell you agreed

[00:07:01] cut to a Clip from the TV show to tell the truth three fellows come out all claiming to be The same person Frank. How do you say it's not saying Abagnale? Thank you, Junior One of them really is and claims that prior to his 19th birthday. He successfully

[00:07:20] posed as a pilot a doctor and a prosecutor a con man if there ever was a con man in there asked How who finally found him? How did he finally get caught and it cuts to Christmas Eve 1969 when FBI agent Carl Hand hand ready

[00:07:40] Hand ready. Thank you shows up to a French prison to pick up Frank who at the time is very sick despite one last attempt yeah Frank finally gets gets him because Frank is just I'm sorry

[00:07:55] He finally gets him because Frank is too dang sick to really make a good attempt cut back to 1963 it is Christmas time Frank's dad Frank senior is being recognized for being a great man

[00:08:09] But Frank knows that his dad is is a con man and just watching his conning technique. He's inspired and It's all greats Until it's not in his father's tax problems with the IRS Forced the family to move from their nice house to a little danker

[00:08:26] On Frank jr. 16th birthday his dad gives him a checkbook with his own checks And inside is in with an account that he put $25 in But he has 50 checks Dan and we all know what that means to the moon

[00:08:44] Checkworked checkbooks were the doge before the doge. That's right You know what I mean to the moon? They have had a little bit more lasting power than doge But I'm not gonna wait. We don't we haven't been a story still writing itself. How can I be overdrawn?

[00:08:55] I still have checks left. That's right. Yeah when he starts He at his new school Frank tries his first con which is to be the French teacher And it actually works for a week until he actually is found out and after

[00:09:10] Later finding out that his mom is having an affair and his parents are gonna get a divorce He is forced with the decision to to live with one of the other and instead of making a decision

[00:09:18] Who runs away and was gonna try to make it on his own? Obviously Frank tries his hand at some small scams. They don't work out great But when he sees the lavish lifestyle of a pilot walking into a nice hotel

[00:09:31] He comes up with a con to become a pan American pilot and it works Originally it was just because he wanted to be able to forge Those payroll checks that he's created on his own

[00:09:45] But then he starts to actually fly on planes, although I don't think he ever actually did the piloting himself That's a bridge too far But he did he was flying anywhere that he wanted to go the only problem was is that he was so good he was

[00:10:03] Forging so many checks at the FBI began to take notice Specifically agent Carl Carl tracks him down in a motel But wouldn't you know it Frank's pretty good at tricks and convinces Carl that he is a secret service agent and he gets away

[00:10:18] Now that the FBI is on him as a pilot he changes his occupation to let's just go with doctor and As a doctor he falls in love with a nurse named Brenda now unlike a pilot a doctor

[00:10:32] You got it you see things you see some stuff bleeding and stuff and that's tough You don't want to do that But he does want to marry Brenda and he asks her lawyer father for his permission to marry her and also if he could help him

[00:10:45] Take the bar exam which he does and he passes to become a lawyer. Did he cheat? How did he do it? Just that smart never know after coming face-to-face with agent Carl Frank Has been calling him on Christmas Eve because he's lonely. It's finally I'm lonely

[00:11:07] It finally starts to become too much for Frank at an engagement party when Carl shows up And so he tells Brenda the truth about who he is He sneaks out of a window and he tells Brenda to meet him in Miami in two days

[00:11:20] And she agrees to meet him no matter what two days later He is parked outside of the airport and sees Brenda, but he also sees agent He knows that Brenda has given him up So he drives off and comes up with his next plan

[00:11:34] He becomes a pilot again recruits a bunch of new flight attendants to surround him as he walks around an Airport to escape to Madrid seven months later Carl has not given up and eventually tracks him down on Christmas Eve in His mother's small French hometown

[00:11:52] He finds Frank in a warehouse making tons and tons of checks after some convincing Frank Surrenders to the French police We are officially caught up on where the story began and Carl is bringing Frank back to the us And he tells him that his father has died

[00:12:10] And so he Frank is just so distraught. He's like I have to go to the bathroom I'm gonna throw up he goes to the bathroom and ends up escaping by climbing around the toilets

[00:12:22] You know as one does he is able to get out from the bottom of the plane after it lands and runs to his mom's house because he wants to see his mom And that is when he discovers that his mom has had another kid little kid sister

[00:12:38] And it's just then that the police show up and he is arrested as the Christmas song plays, which If I'm gonna go That's how I want to go Does somebody pipe in the Christmas song somehow that'd be really great

[00:12:55] Um despite technically being a minor he has sentenced to 12 years in a maximum security prison Throughout his sentence Carl would come and talk to him and one Christmas Carl brings Frank a check

[00:13:07] From a case that he's working on and Frank is actually really helpful in explaining what's going on with this fraudulent check And so Carl convinces the FBI to allow him to serve the remainder of his sentence working for the FBI

[00:13:19] Frank gets a little restless having to work an office job And after seeing a pilot's a pilot suit in a store window decides that he wants to get back into game

[00:13:29] And so he gets a suit. He's walking in the airport. Carl finds him and it's like, hey man We're not gonna stop you. I'll see you Monday Monday comes Frank doesn't show up on time

[00:13:40] But wouldn't you know it Frank shows up after all and he is committed to helping And staying through the duration and they and they stay stay friends They stay friends and we got a whole long update about

[00:13:53] What frank is up to now living a happy life and now my friends was catch me if you can Hey We did it. We're gonna take a quick break. We're gonna talk about this movie on the side of the break here on Deg the hallmark

[00:14:16] Hello everybody, welcome back to Deg the hallmark. We're talking about catch me if you can Monday Christmas movies that uh, Alonso didn't cover in his first Christmas book Catch me if you can is one of those and we're talking about it today

[00:14:31] We're gonna start with a hot take we're gonna share exactly how he felt about this movie And I will start with you Alonso Alonso you saw it in 2002 with someone throwing popcorn in your back You have seen it now. What'd you think of catch me if you can?

[00:14:42] Yeah, it's really terrific. I had seen this pop up on lists of Christmas movies It was kind of like is it was it? And I hadn't seen it since 2002 and watching it again at first. I was like, okay, so there's a christmas scene

[00:14:57] Okay, there's another christmas scene. They're like, oh, okay. I see what we're doing here This is one of those movies like about a boy where Christmas is a periodic sort of stopping point of the movie and it kind of brings together its themes about family about loneliness about

[00:15:12] You know, um, uh community like all this sort of stuff. So I think it handles that really well I will say going to read the wikipedia page about frank abagnale after this was kind of a Bucket of cold water because pretty much nothing in this happened At all

[00:15:32] Let him he helped write it. You don't you don't mess with that. You just let your A lot of the liar a lot Print the legend, you know But I will say that as a movie that is sort of

[00:15:45] Using christmas thematically the way this one does. I think it's really effective because I think it really does sort of underscore You know the dedication Of carl and of frank in his own weird way up to their lives and how that has made them alone and how

[00:16:03] So much of what frank is doing is driven with this notion of like getting his parents back together and Restoring to the family what was taken from them by the irs or whoever else?

[00:16:13] So I think on that level it is a absolutely christmas movie and I think that it's it's all put together really well and it's you know, it's it's This is like

[00:16:23] What are we calling it now mid period spielberg? I don't even know the guys had such a lengthy career Yeah, yeah, like we're in the the the three fifths I don't even know where this falls because who knows how long he's gonna keep going

[00:16:35] But you know you got your john williams scorn your yannish kaminsky's cinematography and Decapario and tom hanks and an oscar nominator christopher walken and the great natalie by and early appearances by You know amy adams and elizabeth banks and you know got martin sheen

[00:16:49] Jennifer garner martin jennifer garner. Yeah ellen pompeo, so you know it's it's uh, yeah It's it it it does what it says on the box is my friend madatch and he likes to say

[00:17:01] Very effective and fun and emotional and all that good stuff along so watch the movie in 2024 Did you find um all those stars to be distracting? Not really just because that's a thing that happens when you watch

[00:17:16] Older movies, you know like and even like if you go back to something like, you know every time I rewatch singing in the rain and remind that oh, yeah, Rita Moreno is in this You know You think like was she 12?

[00:17:29] You know this is it's a it's just a thing that happens as you as you revisit I mean i'm sure you guys and going through the The the the disney deep dive are probably seeing a lot of future stars Scarge. Oh, yeah

[00:17:42] That was home alone three, but yeah, it's all one thing. It's all one thing It's all one thing Uh, but yeah, it's just that that's just kind of the one of the fun things about movies is They're backing up the truck for uh, Law and so Very uh

[00:17:56] Yeah, so I've got a few pieces to bring uh, but yeah It's it's just that thing where people start out with these like one line You know performances you're like, oh look at so-and-so Who would become a giant thing and then other times it's you know

[00:18:09] Somebody who gets a big plum roll and then you never hear from them again. So who knows? Um, I had never seen this movie before and I loved it Uh boy is great. It's great Is a christmas movie I understand I understand why you need to do it

[00:18:30] Hold on. I understand why some may consider it a christmas movie I wonder what brett has to say. I would put this in my christmas adjacent category It is a movie that I would watch throughout the year

[00:18:43] And for christmas feels but I wouldn't watch it at christmas time And uh, so I understand the argument for christmas And I think that christmas is clearly a very important Use of time and all of that I get it and the the arrest scene

[00:18:58] Give me all those christmas feels But it is it you know I personally wouldn't consider I would consider a christmas adjacent Uh, but give me christmas adjacent over christmas non any day of the week And so The movie in and of itself

[00:19:15] Is is so good. I had a blaster so many good performances so many great camera shots the score is so good in this movie Uh, I I I adore this movie dano

[00:19:26] There's a much more muted take brand looked at my face and with this is not a christmas movie earlier That's what he said And I was like diehard is and this is and he goes yeah, it takes place entirely at christmas

[00:19:36] And then what alonzo said was so beautiful because diehard takes place at christmas But could have taken place anytime of course movie is christmas is integral to the feelings of the characters I understand christmas movie a late motif. I understand

[00:19:52] So my thing is this movie is better than I remember it in 2002 And I could be wrong about some of these titles, but I remember there was a new lord of the rings movie I don't remember which one

[00:20:02] I remember that leo was also in gangs of new york That came out that year And it got to theaters for us here in south carolina roughly the same time as catch me if you can

[00:20:13] And then I remember there being a uh a rom-com because my wife and I the week after christmas I was in college We just had time to see all these movies and I think it was the uh

[00:20:22] I think it was two weeks notice and I remember it just being one of these movies that I was like that was a fun breezy 140 minutes Um lesser spielberg moving on along watching it now. I've not seen it since Literally have not seen it since 2002

[00:20:38] Um, I I love this movie. I mean loved it. I think you know yannis kamenzki Which we don't talk a lot about dps here This guy is like, you know

[00:20:50] Made a career off of this thing where light shoots between two characters and like he the way he shoots stuff for spielberg is very very Like easily recognizable and this movie is like a just a full amusement park for him

[00:21:04] I mean it's the 60s cigarette smoke hazy lights and he's having the time of his life knowing they shot this 127 locations in 52 days And then the cast tom hanks amazing Uh walken amazing. Amy Adams jennifer garner

[00:21:20] On and on and on and then the other thing is that I remembered about this movie and this I do want your opinion on this Alonzo, which is you know, I was 21 nope, I was 19 when this movie came out and

[00:21:33] You know leonardo caprio for me as a 19 year old was a laughing stock Like I know that everyone knew he was a good actor. What's eating? Gilbert great? You know the sit comes all that stuff

[00:21:46] But he had come off a run of like man in the iron mask and the beach and titanic where These movies were just about leo Being like just oh leo's made another movie where he looks pretty and this is his like

[00:22:02] And it was and maybe it's just me because I'd love to hear from you a little bit older than me Like for my generation. It was very much in vogue to just make fun of leonardo de caprio

[00:22:13] And and so this movie and gangs of new york come out at the same time with scorsese and and spielburgan It's it's almost like the caprio is announcing. Hey, guess what? I still am really good at acting

[00:22:27] And and and that to me is the thing that I think You know, I didn't quite contextualize well when I saw it the first time that I that I did this time Yeah, I remember the the leo of that moment, you know, yes

[00:22:41] He had become like every every teen girl had a pin up of him from you know as jack and titanic and he You know it was a bit of a joke and then and then yeah, he was like

[00:22:51] Planting his flag with these very serious directors and and like you are going to take me seriously I'm not just like, uh, you know the tiger beat guy um, and my thought was Yes, I always think him seriously as an actor like ever since you know, gilbert grape

[00:23:07] I thought it was amazing But this is that period of his career where I didn't buy him as an adult Yeah, so like he is he too old to play this character? Maybe but is leonardo de caprio Convincing me that he is a teenager. Yes

[00:23:20] Because I thought he looked like a teenager in the aviator two years later You know with a mustache glued on and I'm like, okay, you are not This is like the high school play about howard hughes, you know

[00:23:31] If for me it wasn't until the departed I think where I started being like, okay, whatever's Happened to your head or something like I now believe you as a grown-ass man

[00:23:42] But but yeah, so I think this is that you know and and and you see this a lot with like, you know Tom cruise johnny depp if you are like the hot young pretty thing You better find like the really legit directors

[00:23:55] Who see the thing in you that you know you have as an actor and put you in something difficult or challenging or interesting So that you aren't just pretty, you know and so I think de caprio is very shrewd about

[00:24:07] The choices he was making at this point to sort of take him to that next level as a performer Yeah, great conversation guys, right? I mean, I just want to know if it was I think like I've heard someone say

[00:24:20] There's two de caprios pre the beach and post the beach like I've heard that said before But that doesn't really line up because he had some success as a child actor that like, you know I think he became it's part of his maturation

[00:24:33] But I just feel like for scorsese and speleburg to both have a movie come out with him I think within weeks of each other nationwide at least like at the time that was probably considered a relatively big swing for

[00:24:46] This guy who had become the you know the johnny depp or whatever you want to call it Well, I mean yes, no, I think he was certainly somebody who could open a movie. I think coming off of titanic It was like oh, well What is happening out there?

[00:24:59] But you know he had already been in romeo and juliet at this point He had done like you know marvin's room and the quick and the dead and the basketball diary

[00:25:06] So I mean like I think he had racked up enough bona fides as a serious actor that it wasn't like they had cast You know, uh, no offense jonathan taylor thomas or something um, man he did it Out of order

[00:25:23] In the role of frank abaniel jr. Kirk Cameron Kirk Cameron is frank abaniel jr. Oh my goodness Yeah, he was busy with uh you lucky dog. Yeah, of course he was early

[00:25:39] Let's talk about all the feels we were talking about what gave us feels christmas feels or the others uh, alonzo Well to piggy piggy back on something that um, dan was talking about the the 60s of it all like i'm currently rewatching madman

[00:25:53] and so from the pan am stewardess uniforms to the pan am terminal at you know, uh, uh, La guardia or jfk or wherever that is, you know that that beautiful i am pay building where they have that

[00:26:05] Big hallway conversation at the end of the movie. You may know it as men in black headquarters. Um You know just all of that stuff i really loved um, and i like I like a movie where Christmas is employed

[00:26:22] In a poignant manner like you know, I look i like all kinds of christmas movies And I love you know if you want to just give me a wheelbarrow full of feels great That's fine, but like if you're using christmas

[00:26:35] As a as a juxtaposition to be like here's what people who don't have families and don't have close people otherwise This is what their holiday looks like these sad phone calls

[00:26:44] You know like that that gets me that that hits me in the in the gut and absolutely delivers feels in that manner um, and You know, amy adams. I think is so good in this because it's a character that could just very easily be kind of a two-dimensional

[00:27:01] You know like goofy, you know victim of this guy and and we don't see a lot of the victims because so much of his His checkkiting is you know, it hurts the company, but you don't see individuals You know like suffering the brunt of it

[00:27:16] So to see her the Devastation that this guy who had swept her off her feet and like gotten her back in good with her parents It was gonna marry her and you know all the things that she had imagined for herself and their life together

[00:27:29] To have it all come crumbling down so quickly like she just gives it to you It first sent that scene to the bedroom and then when she's standing for lorneley in front of the airport

[00:27:38] Like that is some gut-wrenching work. You know, she's you know clearly was was on her path to bigger and better things Uh, yeah, obviously the uh the scene where he gets arrested with the christmas song

[00:27:52] Why use of that king kolder? I've just I've never wanted to be arrested before But like everybody knows you have the right to remain silent I yeah, I listen I I'd be down. I'd be down for that situation. It was uh picture perfect

[00:28:10] There's also so many just like great like shots in this movie like it's it's tough to To do something like just a camera Shift or something that would make you chuckle but like even the the

[00:28:25] When he first does the thing where he puts the plane and the water takes it out gets the The little logo off puts on a stamp realizes it works and then the next scene

[00:28:35] That camera just goes over top of the tub and it shows you full of planes It is it's so it's so funny and it's so subtle and it's so great And there's just so many of those little things in this movie that are just just lovely dano

[00:28:48] I have two and it's fine. We're taking our time here because the wait what segment I get the feeling is going to be real sparse, but Uh First is I had should I rewatch the terminal feels? I I hated that movie when it came out

[00:29:03] But it is an unabashed christmas movie. It is it is a it is also a tom hanks Steven spielberg movie and I had I hated the terminal I've always thought catch me if you can as a fine movie

[00:29:16] And I really really enjoyed catch me if you can on this watch through And so now I feel like right afterwards it said a terminal popped up. It's like you want to watch it

[00:29:25] Yeah, I want to make brand. I think brand would really love the terminal and how cheesy and ridiculous it is I've never seen it dude. Why are we not doing that for this podcast? Oh, I didn't have it on a list, but you know It's a christmas movie

[00:29:41] Yeah, all right All right Well, yeah, and I might be signing us up for a disaster because I remember being like what is happening in this movie But I I now want to see it again. My other feels happened during this podcast in the chat Kathy lasota

[00:29:58] Wonderful wonderful human being I've met her. She's great. She said hot take white collar did it better That trash truck you hear a near laundry Is coming for your take Are you kidding me right now?

[00:30:14] White collar did it better get out of here the last two seasons of that show are unwatchable Are you are you joking the white collar did it better than yanos Kaminsky? John Williams and Steven Spielberg? Everybody's entitled to an opinion unless it's that one

[00:30:32] What about suits? Where's that fall? Oh my god? Oh Dan's tried a lot over the last few years to like To talk about uh movies or whatever and not make them personal That's as personal as you've ever gotten that is

[00:30:47] And I as someone who loved white collar for the first three like I loved white collar for the first three seasons. You just said a trash truck is coming for catholic. So to for her take Not for her for her take

[00:30:59] catholic sodas salt of the earth wonderful human being top drawer She is the best of the best and she always has really funny things to say and has out of the box takes And i've seen a lot of them from her and sometimes i'm like nah

[00:31:11] I just agree summer and adamans with with cathie, but this take crossed a lot in cathie You know what? I know we both know it couple people are with her. Yeah, of course they are They also people are really mad about jonathan taylor thomas slander

[00:31:26] Alonzo you gotta you gotta think before you speak but that is dangerous Let's say a quick break. We will uh come by and we will wait. What steven spielberg here on deck the whole You know it's easy to go back and

[00:31:48] Wait, what a 2017 hallmark movie. Yeah, we're we're the guys like i know you don't have a boyfriend because he would have driven you Can we do it here can't do we dare do we dare? It's time for the way

[00:32:00] What is where we talk about what in this steven spielberg movie made us stop and go wait why? Alonzo I have a couple Okay, all right So there's a whole thing where he goes to this one special taylor who makes the the the pan am

[00:32:16] Pilots uniforms and it's a whole thing and it's very internal yet it up Where does he get eight pan am stewardess uniforms for these college girls that he has recruited to basically shuttle him through

[00:32:29] The miami airport. Yeah, yeah, that's like the iconic scene from this movie and it is the biggest question from a plot standpoint Yeah, I just at that point you just wanted that shot of the trailer. They had to work backwards from it

[00:32:41] Yeah, they reverse engineered it, but you just have to feel like he's got a guy at that point He's got so much money or whatever. Yeah

[00:32:48] Yeah, the the other biggie and of course and again this is all putting aside the probably none of this ever happened of at all um The okay So It is very clear the time is very clearly delineated

[00:33:02] We're told at the beginning on the tell the truth episode that he did all this before he was 19 We see him receive his driver's license in the mail

[00:33:10] So that means he's 16. Well, I'll be generous. I'll even say maybe maybe it was 15 back then to get your new york state driver's license How could the new daughter of his mother and her new husband Be at least five if not six or seven years old

[00:33:29] At the end of the well, she's having that affair way earlier in the movie. I mean So if to first I see what you're saying. No, no, I see you're saying you're right. You're right. You're right

[00:33:39] Even within that window. Yeah, yeah, that's true. You're right. Yeah, maybe that's not her kid Maybe that's the other no, he says he says who's your do you have a mommy and he points? She points to Natalie box. So that doesn't make any sense. I'm with you

[00:33:52] So while we're or is that it that's it while we're at the window. I never thought I had to tell my kids to If somebody walks up to the window and ask do you have a mommy?

[00:34:05] You coming get us the truck, but now I have to I saw it in this movie and now I'm going to be thinking about It was the 60s. Yeah gen X parents were too busy like, you know knocking back high balls

[00:34:18] Like a different time. It was a different time. Um, I do just want to say You know early on in this movie Her mom his mom is spinning around with red wine reckless first of all on a white carpet

[00:34:33] So when the red wine does uh, obviously she's spinning around some of it's going to spill out on this white carpet Dancing over top of it's just straight up reckless

[00:34:43] It is and I listen I'm not I'm I'm not a clean for cleanliness weight. What for that's exactly right Welcome to brand does spuper weight. What's not what you do brand would be on disease with seltzer and a sponge Everybody everybody clear off clear off. Whatever you do

[00:35:02] Rob it in with your feet Crazy nuts insane wait what? Dan nicely done Two really small ones one. Uh, I didn't have the the flight attendant uniforms I thought that was the one that but it was like, you know at this point

[00:35:19] Uh, they show him getting a lot of cash and they do close-ups of the bills And like 40 percent of the bills they show are two dollar bills

[00:35:27] And I looked it up two dollar bills have never been widely in circulation. Why why'd you show me a two dollar bill Show me a bunch of 20s 50s. I know nitpicky. It is what it is And then lastly on the airplane back abagnale goes to the restroom

[00:35:40] Because he's heard his father dies and then he sneaks behind the toilet Uh, and then they they film that scene and they have a camera up top for the restroom Let's just call that a generous airport bathroom

[00:35:51] That is three airport like airplane bathrooms as someone who's six five and has to go in an airplane bathroom from time to time It's not a great experience again. It was the 60s I think that was a they were they didn't they weren't jamming in everybody like sardine

[00:36:05] Do you think that the bathrooms were bigger in 60s airplanes? That's a great I have no idea. Is that like I I mean, they weren't you know, you wouldn't spin around with a glass of red wine in one but I think they were a little larger than the

[00:36:16] The Lesson of phone booth you get now sure fair enough. Uh, that brings us to our what the hallmark Where we talk about uh, whoa, we still like some answers to alonzo. What are you still wondering about?

[00:36:30] Um, yeah, I just kind of wonder especially now that having having looked into this a little more It's like if somebody tells you that they are a brilliant con artist and liar Do you not vet that book a little hard?

[00:36:49] It's like if you're somebody who knows how to spin a yarn to your own benefit and get out of because they were Like once you've written a whole book of them yarns being spun. I think I don't know

[00:37:00] I think there might have been more questions then but you know, who what do I know? It was the 60s the 60s Um, so you mentioned the bathroom dan and the escape um, just leaves me wondering about the logistics of it. He'd I've never looked at a

[00:37:18] Toilet on an airplane and and thought wonder if I can get under that But he does he does he does wonder if I can get under that and in fact he can now we've talked I'm sure maybe the bathrooms are a little bit bigger

[00:37:31] Could could could you still do that? If you had the right gear, could you pop that sucker off if you and climb through? I'm sure it's more complicated now. You gotta be a lot. You've got to be a whip at likely in order to get real

[00:37:47] Yeah, but to to be in a in a bathroom an airplane bathroom And your first thought is that I got to get out of here like the normal way To go I wonder if there's an alternative

[00:37:59] I wonder if I could get under that toilet is a wild thing to consider and then actually not disable the smoke detector They'll really get you. That's a fatal crime. It will really get you for that

[00:38:09] Dan yeah, uh, frank abagnale wrote another book in 2019 called scam me if you can Simple strategies to outsmart today's ripoff. He didn't ask me. He didn't interview me. You were scammed twice I know he didn't

[00:38:23] Maybe if you will that was after this book. This was 2019. So maybe you should have read the book So I just I would love to maybe I don't want to read the whole book. That sounds like a lot But like I'd love some quick hitters

[00:38:33] I'd love a few things that frank abagnale the guy who Even if he wasn't honest about how he scammed people in the 60s did scam his way into a hollywood Steven Spielberg motion picture I'd love I'd love to hear a few of the pointers from

[00:38:49] His book that's my what the hallmark well there you go as my father. He's always like to say there's an old I think it's a Latin expression. Sino nevero e bon trovato, which is if it's not true It's at least a good story. That's right. Yeah

[00:39:02] Yeah, it's a print the legend situation totally. That's good Next week we will be going uh, oh Not very far 2022 for violent nights um a movie that we Almost reviewed back in 2022 but some reason a calendar calendar got away from us. Um, but not anymore People are pretty

[00:39:24] It's happening Uh 2022 violent nights join us will you next week? Maybe Alonzo will be here What? I don't know why but maybe he will be who can say um until then maybe the first to wish you a merry christmas

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