Deck the Lifetime Uncorked - Miss Cleo: Her Rise and Fall (Lifetime - 2024) ft. Patrick Serrano

[00:00:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Hi, I'm Bram and I love Lifetime movies.

[00:00:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Hi, I'm Patrick Serrano and I'm a Lifetime movie expert. Hi, I'm Dan and I despise Lifetime movies and this is the

[00:00:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Deck The Lifetime Uncorked Podcast!

[00:00:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Deck The Hallmark, it's this podcast

[00:00:16] [SPEAKER_02]: An Anfren's host this podcast

[00:00:21] [SPEAKER_02]: We hope you like this jolly podcast

[00:00:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, well, well, hello everybody!

[00:00:34] [SPEAKER_02]: It's great to be here today! Patrick, you're back!

[00:00:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my gosh, it's been too long.

[00:00:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Too, too long.

[00:00:41] [SPEAKER_03]: It has been.

[00:00:42] [SPEAKER_03]: We did some catch up when you called in.

[00:00:44] [SPEAKER_03]: We had not talked to you in a long time.

[00:00:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Right? Yeah, it's like, wow, life goes on, you know?

[00:00:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Life goes on, yeah.

[00:00:52] [SPEAKER_01]: And we're back covering non-old school Christmas Lifetime movies, which is nice.

[00:00:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm so, so happy about that.

[00:01:00] [SPEAKER_01]: It's very nice.

[00:01:02] [SPEAKER_01]: You're so happy about that.

[00:01:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Are you, have you thought at all about, hey, Christmas is coming up?

[00:01:09] [SPEAKER_01]: No, because you're normal.

[00:01:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, Christmas in July did get me thinking about Christmas before Halloween, you know?

[00:01:17] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think I'm ready for that.

[00:01:19] [SPEAKER_03]: He's ready for it.

[00:01:20] [SPEAKER_03]: You're ready for that, but you're not dealing with it right now.

[00:01:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Right, no, I don't need to worry about it now, but mentally I am prepared for the early Christmas

[00:01:29] [SPEAKER_00]: that is early to some, but not to us.

[00:01:32] [SPEAKER_01]: That's right.

[00:01:33] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?

[00:01:33] [SPEAKER_01]: That's right.

[00:01:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Here's a question for you guys.

[00:01:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Do we, what day does this come out?

[00:01:40] [SPEAKER_01]: This episode?

[00:01:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Wednesday?

[00:01:41] [SPEAKER_01]: It's Wednesday today?

[00:01:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Wednesday the 14th today?

[00:01:43] [SPEAKER_01]: What day do we talk about Predictions for Christmas movies?

[00:01:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Yesterday.

[00:01:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Is that on Thursday's episode or is it Tuesday's episode?

[00:01:50] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's Thursday.

[00:01:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Hey, Patrick!

[00:01:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Patrick, crazy thought!

[00:01:53] [SPEAKER_03]: When do you think the Hallmark is going to drop their schedule for Countdown to

[00:01:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Christmas if you had to pick a date?

[00:01:59] [SPEAKER_00]: The schedule is coming so soon.

[00:02:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah?

[00:02:03] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to say August 22nd.

[00:02:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, 22nd!

[00:02:09] [SPEAKER_03]: You know what we should do, Brian?

[00:02:10] [SPEAKER_03]: We should put every, Aaron should get her calendar out and every day that somebody

[00:02:15] [SPEAKER_03]: chooses put their name and just guess beside it.

[00:02:18] [SPEAKER_03]: So Aaron should put Patrick's guess on August 22nd.

[00:02:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, that's pretty good.

[00:02:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Does that sound like a plan, Aaron?

[00:02:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think that's a good idea.

[00:02:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Great, awesome.

[00:02:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, she's got it.

[00:02:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I love it.

[00:02:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I like that.

[00:02:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to think about it.

[00:02:27] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to get back to you tomorrow.

[00:02:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I'll talk about it.

[00:02:29] [SPEAKER_03]: And we'll...

[00:02:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm ready.

[00:02:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, there's something about schedule day that really...

[00:02:34] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a big day!

[00:02:35] [SPEAKER_01]: But you know what's interesting, Patrick, is other than like last year,

[00:02:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Lifetime schedule came out super late.

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_01]: But for a while there they were jumping the Hallmark gun.

[00:02:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Like they were getting it out in like early August or whatever.

[00:02:49] [SPEAKER_01]: It was like a whole competition.

[00:02:50] [SPEAKER_01]: And it was like a whole thing.

[00:02:52] [SPEAKER_01]: It seems like they've given up kind of.

[00:02:55] [SPEAKER_00]: They are chill now.

[00:02:58] [SPEAKER_00]: They're like, whatever.

[00:03:00] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, Christmas is happening in December.

[00:03:02] [SPEAKER_00]: We'll see you then.

[00:03:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I think they've come to terms with the fact that they can't.

[00:03:07] [SPEAKER_01]: They can't compete.

[00:03:08] [SPEAKER_01]: That's not where they're best.

[00:03:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and nobody wants them to compete really.

[00:03:11] [SPEAKER_01]: That's right.

[00:03:12] [SPEAKER_01]: My thing is, is like...

[00:03:14] [SPEAKER_01]: The Christmas movies must do well enough for them to be like,

[00:03:19] [SPEAKER_01]: hey, we should keep doing it,

[00:03:20] [SPEAKER_01]: but not at the rates that we were attempting to do it there for a while.

[00:03:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, waste of time and money.

[00:03:28] [SPEAKER_00]: They have other things to develop.

[00:03:30] [SPEAKER_00]: They did like 16 or something last year, which was way down.

[00:03:34] [SPEAKER_03]: They tried to compete.

[00:03:35] [SPEAKER_03]: They tried to go 40 for 40.

[00:03:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Which is crazy.

[00:03:38] [SPEAKER_00]: They're just going to keep doing RIP from the headlines

[00:03:40] [SPEAKER_00]: where we're back to school,

[00:03:42] [SPEAKER_00]: so we're going to have some high school collegey movies

[00:03:45] [SPEAKER_00]: coming up here in the fall.

[00:03:46] [SPEAKER_00]: So that's going to be...

[00:03:47] [SPEAKER_00]: There's plenty of true crimes.

[00:03:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I just stand by the thought that Lifetime should do Christmas movies

[00:03:55] [SPEAKER_01]: but do them Lifetime.

[00:03:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Don't try to do Hallmark, try to do Lifetime.

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Make them edgy, maybe a true one of the RIP from headlines,

[00:04:04] [SPEAKER_01]: but make it Christmassy.

[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_01]: If I'm like...

[00:04:08] [SPEAKER_01]: When I watch Lifetime movies,

[00:04:10] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want it to be the same thing as what Hallmark's doing.

[00:04:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I want it to be spicy and different and have some edge.

[00:04:19] [SPEAKER_01]: And at Christmastime, it's like they lose all edge.

[00:04:22] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like I don't get it.

[00:04:23] [SPEAKER_00]: The most famous Christmas murder, John Benet Ramsey.

[00:04:26] [SPEAKER_00]: We should just do John Benet Ramsey all different versions.

[00:04:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Wow, you want a bunch of different versions

[00:04:33] [SPEAKER_03]: of the John Benet Ramsey story over the holidays.

[00:04:37] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like Shakespeare.

[00:04:39] [SPEAKER_00]: You set it in the Salem witch trials

[00:04:42] [SPEAKER_00]: and then you set it in the 50s.

[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Wow.

[00:04:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[00:04:47] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's not the worst idea I've ever heard.

[00:04:50] [SPEAKER_03]: It's just so weird.

[00:04:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Like Christmas...

[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Where's Spitball?

[00:04:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:04:54] [SPEAKER_03]: This is basic.

[00:04:55] [SPEAKER_01]: We don't know what this will become.

[00:04:56] [SPEAKER_01]: The one we watched close out the year last year,

[00:04:59] [SPEAKER_01]: like It's a Wonderful Knife for whatever it was.

[00:05:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember what the title of it was.

[00:05:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I like that one.

[00:05:04] [SPEAKER_01]: It was really nice

[00:05:05] [SPEAKER_01]: because this is what I want from Lifetime,

[00:05:08] [SPEAKER_01]: but then I also occasionally get the cozy feels

[00:05:11] [SPEAKER_01]: of the Christmas tree in the background.

[00:05:13] [SPEAKER_01]: We're not asking for something crazy.

[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_01]: We just want Christmas in the background

[00:05:18] [SPEAKER_01]: of a Lifetime movie.

[00:05:20] [SPEAKER_01]: That's all I want.

[00:05:20] [SPEAKER_01]: But also...

[00:05:22] [SPEAKER_00]: How many murder puns can we make on a title?

[00:05:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Silent Knife.

[00:05:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it doesn't have to be Knife.

[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_03]: It can be any of them.

[00:05:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Angels We Have Killed On, huh?

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's pretty good.

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_03]: That's actually kind of sad though.

[00:05:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Wow, that's great.

[00:05:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's People Name Angel.

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's People Name Angel.

[00:05:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you get it.

[00:05:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Joy To The Kills.

[00:05:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Joy...

[00:05:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[00:05:48] [SPEAKER_01]: No.

[00:05:49] [SPEAKER_01]: You'll get there.

[00:05:49] [SPEAKER_01]: How about this one?

[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_01]: How about this one?

[00:05:53] [SPEAKER_01]: All I Want For Christmas Is Revenge.

[00:05:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, oh that's good.

[00:05:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks.

[00:05:59] [SPEAKER_02]: And these are all free ideas.

[00:06:02] [SPEAKER_03]: This is spitballing.

[00:06:02] [SPEAKER_03]: This is good and we're just doing this.

[00:06:05] [SPEAKER_03]: I will say this, Hallmark,

[00:06:06] [SPEAKER_03]: if you're listening,

[00:06:06] [SPEAKER_03]: all you execs that listen to Deck The Lifetime on Cork

[00:06:08] [SPEAKER_03]: those episodes...

[00:06:09] [SPEAKER_01]: You're talking to the Hallmark execs.

[00:06:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, interesting.

[00:06:12] [SPEAKER_03]: If you could release that sketch

[00:06:13] [SPEAKER_03]: on a Tuesday or Wednesday around noon,

[00:06:16] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it would work best for our schedule

[00:06:18] [SPEAKER_03]: and I know that's important to you guys.

[00:06:20] [SPEAKER_03]: So, Tuesday or Wednesdays,

[00:06:22] [SPEAKER_03]: around noon we would have time

[00:06:24] [SPEAKER_03]: to cover it properly.

[00:06:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe even a little before noon.

[00:06:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Like if you could do like an 11am boy.

[00:06:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Well yeah, last year they did

[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_00]: like first thing in the morning.

[00:06:33] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry, are you guys not considered press?

[00:06:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Are you not getting the press preview?

[00:06:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Believe it or not, Patrick,

[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_03]: we don't get any of that stuff

[00:06:42] [SPEAKER_03]: when they release that information.

[00:06:44] [SPEAKER_03]: We'd love it.

[00:06:44] [SPEAKER_03]: That would be great

[00:06:45] [SPEAKER_03]: if we were just doing a bit here

[00:06:46] [SPEAKER_03]: but we're not.

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_03]: We are in the dark on this.

[00:06:48] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that they leave

[00:06:50] [SPEAKER_01]: that's mainly dark for everybody.

[00:06:53] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like a people exclusivo.

[00:06:55] [SPEAKER_00]: That's right,

[00:06:55] [SPEAKER_01]: so I feel like typically

[00:06:57] [SPEAKER_01]: like last year they went with someone else

[00:06:59] [SPEAKER_01]: but for a while it was Entertainment Wingly.

[00:07:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for a long time

[00:07:03] [SPEAKER_00]: it was the EW Exclus.

[00:07:05] [SPEAKER_00]: We gotta know somebody.

[00:07:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Let's put out the network.

[00:07:08] [SPEAKER_00]: All the double-decker...

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Can you imagine if they went exclusive

[00:07:11] [SPEAKER_01]: like hey,

[00:07:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Deck The Hallmark is gonna drop exclusively?

[00:07:14] [SPEAKER_01]: It'd be amazing.

[00:07:15] [SPEAKER_01]: It'd be amazing for us.

[00:07:15] [SPEAKER_01]: They won't.

[00:07:16] [SPEAKER_01]: They're scared.

[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_01]: You won't do it.

[00:07:19] [SPEAKER_00]: They're scared.

[00:07:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:07:21] [SPEAKER_03]: They're scared about

[00:07:21] [SPEAKER_03]: how successful it would be.

[00:07:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Philly Yung who got the exclusive for years,

[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_03]: she's been on our podcast before.

[00:07:29] [SPEAKER_03]: You would think she'd give us a heads up

[00:07:30] [SPEAKER_03]: but she can't do it.

[00:07:31] [SPEAKER_03]: She's a journalist.

[00:07:32] [SPEAKER_03]: She gets it.

[00:07:34] [SPEAKER_03]: She knows how big of a deal this is.

[00:07:36] [SPEAKER_03]: So, you know.

[00:07:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[00:07:37] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to think of a pop culture journalist

[00:07:40] [SPEAKER_00]: that I'm thinking of

[00:07:41] [SPEAKER_00]: but I have no reference of that

[00:07:43] [SPEAKER_00]: in a movie or anything.

[00:07:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Isn't that weird?

[00:07:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:07:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk Miss Cleo

[00:07:48] [SPEAKER_01]: which was a...

[00:07:50] [SPEAKER_01]: When this got announced

[00:07:52] [SPEAKER_01]: that Lifetime was doing a Miss Cleo movie

[00:07:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I felt like I saw the headline everywhere.

[00:07:56] [SPEAKER_01]: There was a lot of...

[00:07:57] [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of boos about it.

[00:07:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I thought Patrick was excited.

[00:08:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah.

[00:08:01] [SPEAKER_00]: I love Miss Cleo

[00:08:02] [SPEAKER_00]: but Brand you don't know anything about Miss Cleo.

[00:08:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't.

[00:08:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Everything I know about Miss Cleo

[00:08:08] [SPEAKER_01]: going into this movie

[00:08:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I heard from you.

[00:08:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I think at Bramblefest or something.

[00:08:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Probably.

[00:08:14] [SPEAKER_01]: This was...

[00:08:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I knew the name Miss Cleo.

[00:08:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I knew that she was a personality

[00:08:20] [SPEAKER_01]: and that was...

[00:08:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know that it was some sort of

[00:08:24] [SPEAKER_01]: lie, fraud,

[00:08:26] [SPEAKER_01]: scam.

[00:08:26] [SPEAKER_03]: I got to be honest.

[00:08:27] [SPEAKER_03]: I know the name Miss Cleo

[00:08:29] [SPEAKER_03]: and I know how big of a deal it was when I was a kid.

[00:08:31] [SPEAKER_03]: That was like the ultimate psychic hotline number to call.

[00:08:36] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know about the fallout.

[00:08:37] [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't follow it when it all fell apart.

[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_03]: So, that's where I am.

[00:08:41] [SPEAKER_03]: You're going to learn about it today?

[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I am.

[00:08:44] [SPEAKER_00]: You are going to learn.

[00:08:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Through the lens of lifetime.

[00:08:46] [SPEAKER_00]: This movie is called Miss Cleo,

[00:08:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Her Rise and Fall.

[00:08:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh wow.

[00:08:50] [SPEAKER_00]: So we see both.

[00:08:51] [SPEAKER_00]: We see the...

[00:08:52] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like a roller coaster.

[00:08:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Ahhhh.

[00:08:55] [SPEAKER_00]: You know.

[00:08:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Just like a roller coaster.

[00:08:56] [SPEAKER_03]: That's it.

[00:08:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Just like that.

[00:08:58] [SPEAKER_03]: The roller coaster of Miss Cleo.

[00:08:59] [SPEAKER_03]: That's right.

[00:08:59] [SPEAKER_03]: There you go.

[00:09:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[00:09:01] [SPEAKER_00]: And the movie stars...

[00:09:03] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to start with the not Miss Cleo names

[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_00]: and then we'll go to the Miss Cleo.

[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:09:09] [SPEAKER_00]: So stars Ian Bowen,

[00:09:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Tawanda Braxton,

[00:09:14] [SPEAKER_00]: one of the Brax...

[00:09:15] [SPEAKER_00]: One of the, you know...

[00:09:17] [SPEAKER_00]: One of the Braxsons.

[00:09:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Not Tony Braxton.

[00:09:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Not Tony, not Tory, not Tina.

[00:09:23] [SPEAKER_00]: And then we have someone called The Lady Rage.

[00:09:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you know about The Lady Rage, guys?

[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know about The Lady Rage.

[00:09:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I did not when I saw the name.

[00:09:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Lady of Rage.

[00:09:34] [SPEAKER_01]: The Lady of Rage.

[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I was like what does that mean?

[00:09:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Is that a production?

[00:09:38] [SPEAKER_01]: The actor's name?

[00:09:39] [SPEAKER_01]: The actor's name is The Lady of Rage.

[00:09:41] [SPEAKER_01]: If you go to her IMDB, it's The Lady of Rage.

[00:09:45] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a real metal world movie.

[00:09:46] [SPEAKER_01]: When I saw the name, I was like,

[00:09:48] [SPEAKER_01]: oh, is this a production company or something?

[00:09:51] [SPEAKER_00]: No, it's not.

[00:09:51] [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, it's a name.

[00:09:53] [SPEAKER_00]: And I had a dream last night

[00:09:54] [SPEAKER_00]: because I dream of you all the time, of course.

[00:09:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Cool.

[00:09:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Usually not safe for air,

[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_00]: but this was safe for air.

[00:10:03] [SPEAKER_00]: IMDB, I dream that she changed her name on IMDB

[00:10:06] [SPEAKER_00]: to Tina Tiny or Tiny Tina or something.

[00:10:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Tiny Tiny.

[00:10:12] [SPEAKER_00]: I woke up today, I was like,

[00:10:13] [SPEAKER_00]: her name must be different.

[00:10:15] [SPEAKER_00]: And I looked up, it's still The Lady of Rage.

[00:10:18] [SPEAKER_01]: You dreamed that the woman who changed her name

[00:10:22] [SPEAKER_01]: to The Lady of Rage

[00:10:23] [SPEAKER_01]: also changed it from that to Tiny Teeny.

[00:10:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I did.

[00:10:29] [SPEAKER_00]: It was one of those dreams where you wake up

[00:10:31] [SPEAKER_00]: and you're like, what's that real?

[00:10:33] [SPEAKER_00]: You immediately grab your phone.

[00:10:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Teeny tiny.

[00:10:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[00:10:38] [SPEAKER_03]: When she puts a first and last name,

[00:10:40] [SPEAKER_03]: like it's like first name, is it The Lady

[00:10:43] [SPEAKER_03]: and then last name of Rage?

[00:10:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Is that how we're splitting those up?

[00:10:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I think so.

[00:10:47] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like Lady Gaga,

[00:10:49] [SPEAKER_00]: you know, Lady is the first name,

[00:10:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Gaga is the second name.

[00:10:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Or The Lady of Rage is all first name

[00:10:53] [SPEAKER_01]: and no last name.

[00:10:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[00:10:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, so The Lady of Rage

[00:10:58] [SPEAKER_00]: is an iconic rapper

[00:11:01] [SPEAKER_00]: who should have been bigger than they were.

[00:11:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Like, like came up like Dr.

[00:11:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Dre, like that era.

[00:11:08] [SPEAKER_00]: So early 90s, early 90s

[00:11:11] [SPEAKER_00]: and like had a couple couple hits on like some soundtracks

[00:11:14] [SPEAKER_00]: and just getting bumped from the schedule

[00:11:17] [SPEAKER_00]: like Snoop Dogg came in.

[00:11:18] [SPEAKER_00]: And this is all West Coast rappers, of course.

[00:11:20] [SPEAKER_00]: So not are you know, I was more of an East Coast rapper person.

[00:11:24] [SPEAKER_00]: So the West Coast, I had to look this up.

[00:11:26] [SPEAKER_01]: But listen, I heard your tapes, Patrick.

[00:11:28] [SPEAKER_01]: No, listen, you were great.

[00:11:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, my next tape.

[00:11:31] [SPEAKER_00]: You were ahead of your time.

[00:11:33] [SPEAKER_00]: So she got bumped because Snoop Dogg blew up

[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_00]: and they were like, we got to get Snoop Snoop's album first.

[00:11:38] [SPEAKER_00]: And then she's like, that's fine.

[00:11:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Dre did his album.

[00:11:41] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, that's fine.

[00:11:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Then, oh, they got Tupac out of jail.

[00:11:45] [SPEAKER_00]: They paid like millions of dollars to get him out of jail.

[00:11:47] [SPEAKER_00]: And then Lady Rave Rage is like,

[00:11:49] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if they're going to be doing my album.

[00:11:51] [SPEAKER_00]: And they do Tupac. He blows up.

[00:11:53] [SPEAKER_00]: And she just keeps getting pushed back, pushed back, pushed back.

[00:11:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Sad. And like the project was just ready to go.

[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_01]: But they didn't release it.

[00:11:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, she was like,

[00:12:01] [SPEAKER_00]: established the record label with Dre and was like the first artist signed.

[00:12:06] [SPEAKER_00]: And oh, my goodness.

[00:12:07] [SPEAKER_00]: You know what? That's actually she's got she's got rage.

[00:12:10] [SPEAKER_00]: She's got rage.

[00:12:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I've got a reason to be mad.

[00:12:12] [SPEAKER_01]: And I got to say,

[00:12:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how much experience Lady of Rage had going in

[00:12:17] [SPEAKER_01]: to this movie as far as acting goes, but really,

[00:12:20] [SPEAKER_01]: I thought really great actor, great performance.

[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, Lady of Rage.

[00:12:25] [SPEAKER_00]: This is her first leading role.

[00:12:27] [SPEAKER_00]: And she's her manager was setting her up by giving her like bit parts and stuff.

[00:12:32] [SPEAKER_00]: And be like, all right, we're just going to like,

[00:12:33] [SPEAKER_00]: we're going to get you working and then we'll find the right role.

[00:12:37] [SPEAKER_00]: And this was the role that they were like,

[00:12:38] [SPEAKER_01]: but hearing that building towards hearing that backstory of

[00:12:43] [SPEAKER_01]: corporate greed screwing someone over.

[00:12:46] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a very interesting kind of parallel

[00:12:50] [SPEAKER_01]: that she gets to play Miss Cleo.

[00:12:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's an interesting.

[00:12:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Wow. You've been hanging out with Alonzo.

[00:12:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. I'm one in the world, Brian. Are you OK?

[00:13:00] [SPEAKER_03]: You get enough sleep last night.

[00:13:01] [SPEAKER_00]: That was very eloquent.

[00:13:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Did not. The philosophical did not.

[00:13:05] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry. Eloquent.

[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Eloquent. That's right.

[00:13:08] [SPEAKER_00]: I got to keep it. I got to bring it back down.

[00:13:10] [SPEAKER_00]: It's too many.

[00:13:11] [SPEAKER_01]: The room, you know what I mean?

[00:13:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Also, right.

[00:13:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Movie directed by Tim Reed, Tim, Tim, Tim Reed of Tim Reed,

[00:13:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Tim from Sister Sister Sister Sister Sister.

[00:13:20] [SPEAKER_01]: That's exactly right.

[00:13:21] [SPEAKER_00]: And he makes some choices.

[00:13:23] [SPEAKER_00]: He makes some choices starting with.

[00:13:24] [SPEAKER_00]: He absolutely a very, very long intro, probably like two minute intro of

[00:13:29] [SPEAKER_00]: tarot cards, like a camera panning on a tarot card and cheesy music.

[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_00]: No, I disagree. It was cheesy.

[00:13:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I thought the song was a bop.

[00:13:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Number one sign you don't have enough movie in a lifetime movie

[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_03]: is a two minute intro. Right.

[00:13:43] [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, goodness, let's get to it.

[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_00]: That's tough. So we we of course do.

[00:13:48] [SPEAKER_00]: We meet Miss Cleo.

[00:13:49] [SPEAKER_00]: This is a true story, obviously.

[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_00]: And there's a documentary on HBO that's which this is based.

[00:13:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, nice.

[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_00]: So I've seen the documentary originally when it aired, whatever.

[00:13:59] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's pretty, pretty true to form.

[00:14:02] [SPEAKER_00]: So Miss Cleo is

[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_00]: giving like an inspiring speech and her Jamaican accent,

[00:14:07] [SPEAKER_00]: which I'm not going to do.

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_00]: I've decided no Jamaican accents on for me.

[00:14:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Where is there was there a world?

[00:14:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Was there a timeline where you did the Jamaican accent for us?

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_00]: I was I was practicing a lot with my dialect coach.

[00:14:21] [SPEAKER_00]: And Patrick's an actor. He's an actor.

[00:14:23] [SPEAKER_00]: They advised me to not.

[00:14:25] [SPEAKER_00]: They said, you know, cool running.

[00:14:27] [SPEAKER_00]: So let's leave it there.

[00:14:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I just you know, Patrick, you're an actor and actors got to act sometimes.

[00:14:32] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's tough to know when when not to do it.

[00:14:36] [SPEAKER_01]: And I applaud you for for thinking that through.

[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they also were like Jamaican, Indian.

[00:14:41] [SPEAKER_00]: We can't really tell.

[00:14:43] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like you're you're really not.

[00:14:46] [SPEAKER_00]: You're not that's when you should definitely not

[00:14:48] [SPEAKER_01]: when you can't tell the difference between.

[00:14:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. The accents.

[00:14:51] [SPEAKER_00]: You guys, I'm an actor.

[00:14:53] [SPEAKER_00]: And so is Miss Cleo.

[00:14:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Miss Cleo's real name or actual name is Youri Harris.

[00:14:59] [SPEAKER_00]: They call her Rhee for short.

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_00]: And Rhee is literally like doing this one woman show.

[00:15:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Miss Cleo is a character that she has created to a sold out audience,

[00:15:11] [SPEAKER_00]: like sold out the whole run is sold out.

[00:15:13] [SPEAKER_00]: The producers like this is great that you're sold out.

[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_00]: But you're behind on all the payments

[00:15:18] [SPEAKER_00]: to everybody who's been working on the production.

[00:15:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Like you got to pay people first.

[00:15:23] [SPEAKER_00]: And she's like, oh, no, I was going to pay them after the run.

[00:15:27] [SPEAKER_00]: And they're like, that's not really how it works.

[00:15:30] [SPEAKER_00]: And it seems a little shady, the production like

[00:15:33] [SPEAKER_00]: things aren't great.

[00:15:34] [SPEAKER_00]: She she got a grant to like do it as well.

[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_00]: She like lied and like got grant money to fund this.

[00:15:41] [SPEAKER_00]: And she basically decides that they're they're like pressuring her to pay.

[00:15:45] [SPEAKER_00]: And she's like, I don't have the money.

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_00]: She takes her daughters and runs off, leaves the production high and dry

[00:15:52] [SPEAKER_00]: and takes the grant money and moves to Florida.

[00:15:55] [SPEAKER_01]: The thing I found interesting about this, Patrick, is that I when this started,

[00:15:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I assumed that this was something that she was putting together after

[00:16:05] [SPEAKER_01]: the TV run came to an end.

[00:16:08] [SPEAKER_01]: But she had already created this Miss Cleo character before

[00:16:12] [SPEAKER_01]: the hotline stuff even didn't.

[00:16:14] [SPEAKER_01]: She was trying, like, you know, workshopping it here for this play

[00:16:17] [SPEAKER_01]: that ultimately didn't come to be.

[00:16:19] [SPEAKER_01]: But when it started, I was like, oh, this is one of those here.

[00:16:22] [SPEAKER_01]: And then we're going to go back and see how she got there.

[00:16:24] [SPEAKER_01]: But no, this is just the beginning. Yeah.

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. And like she went to college for theater, didn't graduate.

[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Like this is a person who had who had desires to be in the entertainment

[00:16:35] [SPEAKER_00]: business and possibly like wanted to be probably wanted to be famous.

[00:16:40] [SPEAKER_00]: And like what's what's like that was like a goal for them. Right.

[00:16:45] [SPEAKER_00]: When she's in Fort Lauderdale, she lays low.

[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_00]: She's like not trying to be in the spotlight.

[00:16:50] [SPEAKER_00]: She's trying to duck out from all these people who are like,

[00:16:52] [SPEAKER_00]: what the heck you ran off with our money.

[00:16:55] [SPEAKER_00]: It's important here to note her mother lives, I guess, in the area

[00:16:58] [SPEAKER_00]: and they do have Jamaican heritage.

[00:17:00] [SPEAKER_00]: So that's kind of where she pulled the inspiration for Miss Cleo from.

[00:17:05] [SPEAKER_00]: But she's like in need of money, like the grant money is running out.

[00:17:09] [SPEAKER_00]: She has two daughters to put through school.

[00:17:11] [SPEAKER_00]: She is a single mother.

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Apparently, this comes up later.

[00:17:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Her husband was a homosexual.

[00:17:18] [SPEAKER_00]: And it said it said it said as much as a homosexual.

[00:17:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Is that how they say that?

[00:17:24] [SPEAKER_00]: They do. They sure do.

[00:17:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I loved it.

[00:17:27] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's they she slips that she's like having an argument

[00:17:31] [SPEAKER_01]: with her mom, like, I don't know, an hour in this movie.

[00:17:35] [SPEAKER_01]: And she just slips that line in there.

[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, what can we get more of that story?

[00:17:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Like that past? That's interesting.

[00:17:42] [SPEAKER_01]: That's an interesting development.

[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. And we don't get anything.

[00:17:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Story is not only was she married to homosexual.

[00:17:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Miss Cleo is also a lesbian.

[00:17:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, wow. In real life.

[00:17:53] [SPEAKER_00]: She has since died, but she was a lesbian and came out

[00:17:56] [SPEAKER_00]: like in the early 2000s.

[00:17:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, so yeah, so there's some little gay undertones here.

[00:18:01] [SPEAKER_00]: She had a roommate at the top of the movie, like whatever.

[00:18:06] [SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, but not explicitly laid out.

[00:18:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. She starts searching in the one the wanted ads.

[00:18:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Remember the wanted ads?

[00:18:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Did you do like did we ever have to use those?

[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think so.

[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_00]: I never did. Definitely.

[00:18:18] [SPEAKER_03]: No, I didn't.

[00:18:19] [SPEAKER_03]: But it was I will say I take that back when I was looking

[00:18:22] [SPEAKER_03]: for a job in St.

[00:18:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Louis, Missouri in 2007, I was using every like every

[00:18:31] [SPEAKER_03]: means necessary.

[00:18:33] [SPEAKER_03]: And I did look at the wanted employment section and actually

[00:18:38] [SPEAKER_03]: delivered like tried to sell frozen steak out of a truck

[00:18:42] [SPEAKER_03]: door to door.

[00:18:43] [SPEAKER_03]: But you ate you ate them all because, yeah, no, I wish.

[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I know you love steak.

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_03]: No, I got caught in a car.

[00:18:48] [SPEAKER_03]: I got hot box.

[00:18:49] [SPEAKER_03]: It was a whole story.

[00:18:50] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't have time for right now, but it was it was quite a story.

[00:18:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. OK.

[00:18:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Because of the because of the wanted the classifieds, the wanted.

[00:19:00] [SPEAKER_00]: There you go.

[00:19:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and it was just refreshing to see like someone circling

[00:19:04] [SPEAKER_00]: a piece of paper for a job.

[00:19:05] [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, oh, there's something really satisfying about like

[00:19:08] [SPEAKER_00]: the circling of the job in red.

[00:19:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Anyways, this is where she finds the like it like it feels like hope.

[00:19:15] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it feels like hope.

[00:19:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Like when you circle it and you're like, you see it for me.

[00:19:20] [SPEAKER_01]: This is like this represents possibility.

[00:19:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we don't have that now.

[00:19:26] [SPEAKER_00]: You don't see it in movies that much anymore.

[00:19:28] [SPEAKER_00]: And it was actually like I was like, oh, this is really nice.

[00:19:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I don't know something about it.

[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Like I was like, wow, I really like I'm feeling nostalgic for paper

[00:19:36] [SPEAKER_00]: and circling things.

[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Anyways, she hooks up with the Psychic Readers Network.

[00:19:42] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a call center.

[00:19:44] [SPEAKER_00]: The boss is like our supervisor.

[00:19:46] [SPEAKER_00]: She's like, this is not sexy time calls.

[00:19:49] [SPEAKER_00]: So shut that down.

[00:19:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Here's the script.

[00:19:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Just read the script and do it.

[00:19:53] [SPEAKER_00]: The script. Yeah. Do your thing.

[00:19:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you remember?

[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Do you remember the the rise of 900 numbers?

[00:19:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:20:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah. Everywhere.

[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah. Everywhere.

[00:20:03] [SPEAKER_00]: And the naughty ones, too.

[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Like one time I tell a quick story about college.

[00:20:08] [SPEAKER_00]: This guy, he it was at a party in our house.

[00:20:11] [SPEAKER_00]: We would have parties all the time.

[00:20:13] [SPEAKER_00]: And this particular night, someone locked themselves in my friend Sarah's room

[00:20:19] [SPEAKER_00]: and was calling 900 numbers on because we had a landline

[00:20:23] [SPEAKER_00]: in college for some reason and was calling all the sexy numbers

[00:20:27] [SPEAKER_00]: and like writing the numbers on the wall, like calling the operator,

[00:20:30] [SPEAKER_00]: getting the numbers and then writing the numbers on the wall.

[00:20:33] [SPEAKER_00]: And then like just being on the phone.

[00:20:35] [SPEAKER_00]: And we were like, get out of our house, please.

[00:20:36] [SPEAKER_00]: But like, get open the lock this door.

[00:20:39] [SPEAKER_00]: How much money did it cost you?

[00:20:41] [SPEAKER_00]: I have no idea.

[00:20:42] [SPEAKER_00]: But we did have to call and get the charges removed.

[00:20:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they were expensive, though, right?

[00:20:46] [SPEAKER_01]: This was like it was before my time.

[00:20:48] [SPEAKER_01]: So I didn't really get to I've never I've never caught.

[00:20:51] [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, it was it was a substantial amount of money.

[00:20:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. Yeah, I don't know.

[00:20:54] [SPEAKER_03]: I've got no experience with them.

[00:20:55] [SPEAKER_03]: I do remember them being all the rage, though, like I remember them being

[00:20:58] [SPEAKER_03]: such a big thing. Right.

[00:21:00] [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like that I miss my calling.

[00:21:02] [SPEAKER_00]: I would have loved to be like a call girl.

[00:21:04] [SPEAKER_00]: So fun. You yeah.

[00:21:06] [SPEAKER_00]: You would have been great.

[00:21:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. Or or a psychic friend because they apparently hire everybody.

[00:21:12] [SPEAKER_01]: That's true. This this the job vetting for

[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_01]: the psychic phone network or whatever it's called isn't very they don't care.

[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_01]: If you are claimed to actually be a psychic, as long as you can follow the script,

[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_01]: you're going to be going to go.

[00:21:28] [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to follow the script.

[00:21:29] [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to take a break. That's what it says right here.

[00:21:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. Says it right here in the script.

[00:21:32] [SPEAKER_01]: We'll be right back here and take the hallmark.

[00:21:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Take the hallmark. You want to wait on some of them?

[00:21:43] [SPEAKER_01]: And then it says, well, it says we'll do it together.

[00:21:47] [SPEAKER_01]: We'll welcome back.

[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome back, everybody.

[00:21:50] [SPEAKER_01]: We're talking about the Miss Cleo movie Lifetime.

[00:21:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Patrick is here and Miss Cleo just got a job at the call center.

[00:21:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. And she has to sign a contract at the beginning of her shift

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_00]: that says, I am certified as a psychic or something.

[00:22:07] [SPEAKER_00]: It's some legal jargon.

[00:22:10] [SPEAKER_00]: She doesn't really read it. She's like, whatever.

[00:22:12] [SPEAKER_00]: And then she starts to really just get into character.

[00:22:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Like she immediately goes into the Miss Cleo character because it

[00:22:20] [SPEAKER_00]: it's more fun for her.

[00:22:21] [SPEAKER_00]: She's like, I'm having fun with this.

[00:22:23] [SPEAKER_00]: And she has has the sayings we all know, like

[00:22:26] [SPEAKER_00]: the tarot cards don't lie and Miss Cleo doesn't lie either.

[00:22:31] [SPEAKER_00]: You know that type of thing.

[00:22:32] [SPEAKER_03]: You want to give me one more of those with a Jamaican accent or no?

[00:22:35] [SPEAKER_00]: No, we've been told I almost did.

[00:22:38] [SPEAKER_00]: I almost said, you call me now.

[00:22:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. Right.

[00:22:43] [SPEAKER_03]: On Filo TV, Filo.TV, DTH.

[00:22:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Patrick's did raise the roof on that one.

[00:22:49] [SPEAKER_03]: I sure did. You have to.

[00:22:51] [SPEAKER_03]: You have to call me now.

[00:22:52] [SPEAKER_00]: But you see a caller who's like a recurring caller

[00:22:56] [SPEAKER_00]: who's a singer and they need encouragement about their singing.

[00:23:00] [SPEAKER_00]: And that singer turns out to be Beyonce.

[00:23:05] [SPEAKER_03]: That's right. Oh, my gosh.

[00:23:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Is it what?

[00:23:08] [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, it doesn't.

[00:23:09] [SPEAKER_03]: But we don't know. We don't know that it's not.

[00:23:12] [SPEAKER_03]: We don't know. It's not, you know, not not Beyonce.

[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_00]: She kind of remind me of Maya, if I'm honest.

[00:23:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, there you go. Could be Maya.

[00:23:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Maya could be could be Buster.

[00:23:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, so the call the call center owners, Stephen and Peter,

[00:23:26] [SPEAKER_00]: typical business owners, you know, they've got mullets.

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_00]: I think both of them have mullets or this is 90s, right?

[00:23:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. They've got the glasses and they are like

[00:23:38] [SPEAKER_00]: blown away by misclosed numbers.

[00:23:39] [SPEAKER_00]: They think it's the not only should the highest earner ever.

[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_00]: They think that the office is the highest earning ever.

[00:23:46] [SPEAKER_00]: They don't understand that it's just one person's earnings.

[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_00]: That's right. I mean, that's right.

[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_01]: And Peter and Stephen are these like classic

[00:23:54] [SPEAKER_01]: we like what you would consider now to be like a tech bro,

[00:23:56] [SPEAKER_01]: like somebody who sees like this potential boom

[00:24:01] [SPEAKER_01]: with these 900 numbers and like it's just kind of throwing things

[00:24:05] [SPEAKER_01]: at the wall, seeing what sticks.

[00:24:06] [SPEAKER_01]: So they had like the psychic line number, but they also had some other ones.

[00:24:11] [SPEAKER_01]: But when they see Miss Cleo's numbers off the charts,

[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_01]: they are like blown away that one person could do this.

[00:24:17] [SPEAKER_01]: And they decide to go all in on the psychic and specifically Miss Cleo.

[00:24:22] [SPEAKER_00]: So they meet with Miss Cleo, they're like pitching her on like what they want.

[00:24:26] [SPEAKER_00]: And she's like, I don't get it.

[00:24:27] [SPEAKER_00]: And they're like, no, we want you to be like our brand ambassador,

[00:24:30] [SPEAKER_00]: like our spokesperson, like we'll pay you to shoot a commercial.

[00:24:34] [SPEAKER_00]: We'll see how it goes. We'll pay you like 15 K.

[00:24:37] [SPEAKER_03]: It's a big number in the 90s for somebody who's trying to make it.

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. And she's she's like, sure. Yeah, I'll do that.

[00:24:43] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm an actor. I have experience.

[00:24:45] [SPEAKER_00]: I can be a spokesperson, which is something I would say, too.

[00:24:48] [SPEAKER_00]: I would totally be like, yeah, absolutely. Why not?

[00:24:51] [SPEAKER_03]: One of the things I hear constantly with when I hear podcasts with actors

[00:24:54] [SPEAKER_03]: is almost all of them are like, I would 100 percent just say

[00:24:58] [SPEAKER_03]: I could do something when I when I don't know if I could do it or not.

[00:25:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. But there's like some,

[00:25:04] [SPEAKER_00]: you know, moral ambiguity there, too. Right.

[00:25:07] [SPEAKER_00]: But you're saying like, I'm a psychic and people are calling

[00:25:12] [SPEAKER_00]: because they believe you can help them with stuff.

[00:25:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Where's the line?

[00:25:16] [SPEAKER_03]: And they're the character you play the character on commercial.

[00:25:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely. And there is a disclaimer.

[00:25:21] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm a doctor that aren't a doctor.

[00:25:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. Like Dr. Oz and all that stuff.

[00:25:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. So there is a disclaimer on the commercials at the very bottom.

[00:25:31] [SPEAKER_00]: That's like for entertainment purposes, blah, blah, blah.

[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_00]: But is that enough?

[00:25:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Are people being duped is is the quandary of the movie?

[00:25:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Like is Miss Cleo with her shady past?

[00:25:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Liable for all this.

[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_00]: And then the movie gets into like all the nitty gritty of that,

[00:25:48] [SPEAKER_00]: like from here. Yes.

[00:25:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it's she's obviously drawn to the 15000.

[00:25:55] [SPEAKER_01]: She's drawn like she meets with these guys in this nice restaurant

[00:25:58] [SPEAKER_01]: and they're going to buy her a steak and they get her whiskey.

[00:26:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And she's like, this is like the life that she does.

[00:26:05] [SPEAKER_01]: This is like the life that she always thought that she would have classic

[00:26:08] [SPEAKER_03]: rise and like a really classic story you've seen writ large,

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_03]: like, you know, like as course says, he may be.

[00:26:14] [SPEAKER_00]: And like the only thing missing is selling your soul to the devil,

[00:26:17] [SPEAKER_00]: signing the contract in blood, you know, that whole thing.

[00:26:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that all happens, I think, behind the camera.

[00:26:22] [SPEAKER_01]: But this like is very she doesn't even want to really

[00:26:26] [SPEAKER_01]: she doesn't wait to hear the specifics of what they want.

[00:26:29] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, oh, you're getting me a ribeye and a nice glass of whiskey.

[00:26:33] [SPEAKER_01]: This is the life like a visit.

[00:26:35] [SPEAKER_01]: More of this. I'm in is basically how it goes down.

[00:26:38] [SPEAKER_00]: And she blows up like the commercials are extremely successful.

[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_00]: She gets on the talk show circuit and we get a Jenny Jones actress here.

[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_00]: I just want to shout out Jenny Jones because whoever

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_00]: the actor was had the voice down to it.

[00:26:53] [SPEAKER_00]: I used to watch Jenny every day.

[00:26:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Jerry who? Jenny Jones. Yeah.

[00:26:59] [SPEAKER_03]: But what about what about our I believe Ricky Lake from South Carolina?

[00:27:04] [SPEAKER_00]: That would be like also one that I used to watch all the time

[00:27:06] [SPEAKER_00]: be like Ricky Ricky.

[00:27:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know Jenny Jones.

[00:27:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I obviously know of Jerry.

[00:27:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Jerry kind of took over that whole market, but like, yeah, Jenny Jones.

[00:27:17] [SPEAKER_01]: We've got all the same type of shows, like just like how people like.

[00:27:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Just trash. OK, trash. Yeah.

[00:27:23] [SPEAKER_00]: But but you know, I mean, it's like reality TV of that era,

[00:27:26] [SPEAKER_00]: basically, or YouTube or TikTok of that era.

[00:27:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

[00:27:31] [SPEAKER_00]: So she's quite famous and she gets hounded on the street by paparazzi.

[00:27:36] [SPEAKER_00]: The call center is like blowing up.

[00:27:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Everybody wants to talk to Miss Cleo and like her family is starting to be like,

[00:27:42] [SPEAKER_00]: this is like kind of messed up, like we're getting made fun of at school.

[00:27:46] [SPEAKER_00]: And the mom's like, people are people are coming to my door

[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_00]: and like asking me for refunds because their kids like called

[00:27:54] [SPEAKER_00]: and didn't realize it cost money.

[00:27:56] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, like they think Miss Cleo, Miss Cleo is running the business.

[00:27:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. But at the end of the day, Miss Cleo is just like, listen,

[00:28:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm able to buy this nice house.

[00:28:06] [SPEAKER_01]: My kids can have a nice house to live in.

[00:28:09] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm just she just continues to believe.

[00:28:13] [SPEAKER_01]: And I like the way that

[00:28:16] [SPEAKER_01]: the rage, Lady of Rage is playing this.

[00:28:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Cleo Rage, as we call it, made me believe that Miss Cleo

[00:28:24] [SPEAKER_01]: truly did just think of it as a performance. Right.

[00:28:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah. Like this movie at no time

[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_01]: was I cheering against Miss Cleo.

[00:28:36] [SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't blink. It doesn't ever wank and say, no, she was in on it.

[00:28:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. Like it it just makes like she's a really likable character.

[00:28:44] [SPEAKER_01]: And you just kind of whenever she's just like, it's just a character.

[00:28:48] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm I'm just playing a character.

[00:28:50] [SPEAKER_01]: You're like, OK, she really believed it.

[00:28:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and she's looking out for herself, too.

[00:28:53] [SPEAKER_00]: She's like, I'm a business woman and I'm trying to like,

[00:28:56] [SPEAKER_00]: you know, make a success out of this.

[00:28:59] [SPEAKER_00]: I want to have more creative freedom with the character.

[00:29:02] [SPEAKER_00]: I want to do books.

[00:29:03] [SPEAKER_00]: I want to write a Broadway show like I want to.

[00:29:07] [SPEAKER_00]: This is really hitting with the public.

[00:29:08] [SPEAKER_00]: I want to take this Miss Cleo character and move her like to her own things.

[00:29:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. And that really messes up the businessmen.

[00:29:15] [SPEAKER_00]: They're like, oh, no, we own you and we are not letting you

[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_00]: going to be get out of this contract.

[00:29:21] [SPEAKER_00]: They write a new contract to like keep the all the Miss Cleo properties

[00:29:25] [SPEAKER_00]: under them because they're making 25 million a month,

[00:29:29] [SPEAKER_00]: 25 million a month with just with just the 900 number.

[00:29:33] [SPEAKER_01]: And how much are they paying her?

[00:29:36] [SPEAKER_00]: They're I mean, they're paying her pennies.

[00:29:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. They were.

[00:29:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't feel like that was my biggest question is like,

[00:29:43] [SPEAKER_01]: how much did she actually make off of this?

[00:29:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Right. Because it doesn't like I know, like aside from the house

[00:29:51] [SPEAKER_01]: that she gets, which is, you know, a nice house, but it's not like a mansion.

[00:29:56] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not like she's living a crazy lifestyle with like a she's we never see her

[00:30:00] [SPEAKER_01]: drive a crazy car or anything like that, that you would assume somebody

[00:30:04] [SPEAKER_01]: that's Miss Cleo and the company is making 25 million, you would assume

[00:30:09] [SPEAKER_01]: is live in live in the high life.

[00:30:11] [SPEAKER_03]: I guess my yes, but at no point

[00:30:15] [SPEAKER_03]: does the disclaimer go away or the accent dropped. Right.

[00:30:20] [SPEAKER_03]: No, I know this is a movie we're talking about, not real life,

[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_03]: but I don't know how she gets in trouble then.

[00:30:27] [SPEAKER_00]: OK, well, we're getting there because the the FTC, which I don't

[00:30:32] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what the FTC is.

[00:30:34] [SPEAKER_00]: I know what the FCC is. Right.

[00:30:36] [SPEAKER_00]: What's the federal trade commission? Yeah.

[00:30:39] [SPEAKER_00]: OK, cool. I was like, FCC, the but FTC.

[00:30:43] [SPEAKER_00]: OK, so they are like going to do a class action lawsuit

[00:30:46] [SPEAKER_00]: for people who called in who were misrepresented.

[00:30:50] [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, we're calling like nine, nine states are basically

[00:30:55] [SPEAKER_00]: like Miss Cleo is committing fraud.

[00:30:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, correct me if I'm wrong.

[00:30:57] [SPEAKER_01]: This is how I understood it.

[00:31:00] [SPEAKER_01]: This Cleo would say call now for your free reading.

[00:31:04] [SPEAKER_01]: And on the screen, there would be an 800 number.

[00:31:08] [SPEAKER_01]: You would call that 800 number, which is a free number.

[00:31:12] [SPEAKER_01]: And it would then tell you to like all the lines are busy.

[00:31:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Call this 900 number.

[00:31:19] [SPEAKER_01]: That 900 number would cost money.

[00:31:22] [SPEAKER_01]: And the bait and switch that happens with every Instagram ad ever.

[00:31:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Sure. Right. Yes.

[00:31:26] [SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, people were doing this and not fully realizing

[00:31:31] [SPEAKER_01]: because Miss Cleo was saying call for your free reading.

[00:31:36] [SPEAKER_01]: They weren't realizing that when they then call that new number,

[00:31:39] [SPEAKER_01]: it is then going to charge them.

[00:31:40] [SPEAKER_01]: That was my understanding of the basic.

[00:31:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. Fraught that took place.

[00:31:45] [SPEAKER_00]: And even so, is Miss Cleo culpable for that or is it the owners of the business?

[00:31:52] [SPEAKER_03]: The owners of the business. Yes, exactly.

[00:31:53] [SPEAKER_00]: But they they want to take Miss Cleo down because she represents

[00:31:56] [SPEAKER_00]: the business and it would be a better story.

[00:31:58] [SPEAKER_04]: She's the face of the business. Yeah.

[00:32:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. They're like, we want to go for her.

[00:32:02] [SPEAKER_00]: This is how it's going to go.

[00:32:05] [SPEAKER_01]: And I can understand that, like looking in, Miss Cleo is

[00:32:09] [SPEAKER_01]: the only person you see.

[00:32:10] [SPEAKER_01]: So you would assume going into this.

[00:32:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I assumed that Miss Cleo was the empire.

[00:32:17] [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, you don't realize watching the TV and calling the number

[00:32:22] [SPEAKER_01]: that how little she actually has to do with the business itself.

[00:32:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Like any time she tries to meet with the two businessmen

[00:32:32] [SPEAKER_01]: after a certain point, they stop talking to her, like don't come in the office.

[00:32:36] [SPEAKER_01]: So it was a very like she doesn't have anything to do with the company

[00:32:39] [SPEAKER_01]: is how it was shown to us. Right.

[00:32:42] [SPEAKER_00]: And they're like, we're a team. We'll stick together.

[00:32:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Like, don't don't talk bad about us and like, let's just get through this lawsuit.

[00:32:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Of course. But, you know, then when it's time for Miss Cleo's

[00:32:52] [SPEAKER_00]: portion of the lawsuit, they leave her high and dry.

[00:32:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. She gets to talk to herself in a dream, which is fine.

[00:32:59] [SPEAKER_00]: So we have like the Miss Cleo, like in the call center and is it tiny

[00:33:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Tina or is it right? Right. Right. Exactly.

[00:33:06] [SPEAKER_00]: So she the Miss Cleo in the dream is like, call your lawyer.

[00:33:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, God. I thought I would do it.

[00:33:13] [SPEAKER_03]: I said, oh, this is from Brooklyn.

[00:33:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Call your lawyer. Call your lawyer.

[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Call your lawyer.

[00:33:22] [SPEAKER_00]: And the lawyer is like, hey, we they want to see your birth certificate

[00:33:27] [SPEAKER_00]: to prove you're from Jamaica.

[00:33:29] [SPEAKER_00]: You have to like basically prove that you are Miss Cleo and you're a certified

[00:33:33] [SPEAKER_00]: psychic to get like through this lawsuit.

[00:33:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Miss Cleo got had here. This is not fair.

[00:33:39] [SPEAKER_00]: She really did.

[00:33:41] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I just I just had a dream, actually, Patrick.

[00:33:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, really? I had a dream.

[00:33:45] [SPEAKER_01]: And then in the dream, Miss Cleo told me to take a break.

[00:33:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. Wow. Maybe she is a real psychic.

[00:33:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[00:33:51] [SPEAKER_01]: And call your lawyer.

[00:33:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to we're going to take a break.

[00:33:53] [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to call our lawyers and we'll be right back here on DEC.

[00:34:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Hello, everybody. Welcome back.

[00:34:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Talking Miss Cleo and stuffs stuffs about to hit the fan, Patrick.

[00:34:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah. Forty four million dollars of stuff.

[00:34:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Wow. Is what they want to get from Miss Cleo.

[00:34:17] [SPEAKER_00]: I know. And I'm like, does she even have that?

[00:34:20] [SPEAKER_00]: But what year is this happening in?

[00:34:22] [SPEAKER_00]: This is like mid 90s, late 90s.

[00:34:25] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's it's been a good run.

[00:34:28] [SPEAKER_00]: It's been a good run for her.

[00:34:29] [SPEAKER_00]: OK. She is deposed and in the deposition,

[00:34:34] [SPEAKER_00]: she pleads a fifth for like everything.

[00:34:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. She gets a lawyer on her own that is not

[00:34:41] [SPEAKER_01]: good given to her.

[00:34:44] [SPEAKER_01]: He yeah, I don't know.

[00:34:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I it seemed like he was doing the best he could.

[00:34:48] [SPEAKER_01]: He was not affiliated with the company.

[00:34:50] [SPEAKER_01]: She got a lawyer herself.

[00:34:52] [SPEAKER_01]: And so he's doing the best he can to try to protect his clients

[00:34:57] [SPEAKER_01]: who is being told by the company to whatever she says,

[00:35:01] [SPEAKER_01]: protect the company.

[00:35:01] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's in a weird tight tight rope walk.

[00:35:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and she tells them like she tells them often like a scene,

[00:35:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Stephen and Peter, and she's like, I'm going to go to the press.

[00:35:12] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to be the star witness against you guys in the case

[00:35:15] [SPEAKER_00]: in your case.

[00:35:17] [SPEAKER_00]: So you better I'm I'm having a psychic prediction right now

[00:35:21] [SPEAKER_00]: that it's not really going to go well for you.

[00:35:23] [SPEAKER_00]: And they're they're like, oh, no,

[00:35:26] [SPEAKER_00]: they decide to settle with FTC for a five hundred

[00:35:30] [SPEAKER_00]: million dollar settlement.

[00:35:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, Molly. Yes.

[00:35:34] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like the people that are like

[00:35:37] [SPEAKER_01]: that called at throughout the history of Miss Cleo

[00:35:42] [SPEAKER_01]: were like getting checks in the mail for like, you know, yep.

[00:35:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Being being this is why totally it's like when Facebook did

[00:35:51] [SPEAKER_00]: the face recognition without telling people and then everyone got money

[00:35:54] [SPEAKER_01]: for that. I think we do know like the most I was the most unrealistic

[00:35:58] [SPEAKER_01]: thing about this movie was these people getting these checks

[00:36:00] [SPEAKER_01]: in a timely manner like that was like it happened.

[00:36:04] [SPEAKER_01]: And then you see people open their trades be like, yeah, it's amazing.

[00:36:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Those people are old.

[00:36:08] [SPEAKER_01]: They have grandkids now that like right by the time they finally get

[00:36:11] [SPEAKER_01]: the settlement money. Good, good luck.

[00:36:14] [SPEAKER_00]: It's true. And it is a groundbreaking case because it does

[00:36:18] [SPEAKER_00]: make those deceptive claims like not tolerated on infomercials.

[00:36:22] [SPEAKER_00]: And they have to really spell out everything now from from here on out.

[00:36:25] [SPEAKER_00]: I got to be honest.

[00:36:26] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm more fascinated by this than any episode of that light.

[00:36:30] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm in court ever. I'm not saying it's the best movie,

[00:36:31] [SPEAKER_03]: but from a story standpoint, this is very, very interesting.

[00:36:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah. This could easily be one of your history.

[00:36:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Her story episode.

[00:36:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Of course. That's what it's called.

[00:36:43] [SPEAKER_03]: History. Her story.

[00:36:44] [SPEAKER_03]: That's that was the name we almost went with.

[00:36:46] [SPEAKER_00]: History. Her story. Right. Right.

[00:36:48] [SPEAKER_00]: History. Her story.

[00:36:50] [SPEAKER_00]: So the public, of course, still makes fun of Miss Cleo.

[00:36:54] [SPEAKER_00]: And she tells her kids, she's like, laugh with them.

[00:36:57] [SPEAKER_00]: It's hilarious.

[00:36:58] [SPEAKER_00]: I was a spokesperson using a Jamaican accent and doing all this crazy stuff.

[00:37:03] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's funny, right?

[00:37:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Like we need to just like move on, have a tough skin.

[00:37:10] [SPEAKER_00]: And she like looks like knowingly at the camera at the end,

[00:37:13] [SPEAKER_00]: like leaves it up to the viewer to decide

[00:37:16] [SPEAKER_00]: like how much she was involved in the scheme.

[00:37:19] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's pretty much the movie. Yeah.

[00:37:22] [SPEAKER_01]: There you have it. Yeah.

[00:37:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think the big like questions that I had after it was like how

[00:37:28] [SPEAKER_01]: like she wasn't allowed to do any more.

[00:37:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Miss Cleo stuff, even as just like a spokesperson,

[00:37:35] [SPEAKER_01]: like right, like do commercials as Miss Cleo because she doesn't own that

[00:37:39] [SPEAKER_01]: character anymore. So how like how did she think?

[00:37:43] [SPEAKER_00]: She did do a parody of it on like Fuse,

[00:37:47] [SPEAKER_00]: like a fuse network or something like that.

[00:37:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Like one of those cable networks.

[00:37:51] [SPEAKER_00]: They like got her like way after the fact.

[00:37:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, and do. But how did she like, did she get money for

[00:37:58] [SPEAKER_01]: at the end of this? Like what did she get any money?

[00:38:01] [SPEAKER_01]: How much money did she have to live off of from the initial run of Miss Cleo?

[00:38:06] [SPEAKER_00]: I think she just like made public appearances and just did like stay out of

[00:38:10] [SPEAKER_00]: like the the like, you know, limelight as far as TV and movies.

[00:38:14] [SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, just kind of worked off the people being interested

[00:38:18] [SPEAKER_00]: in her story. And she she died like early, like early 2000 or

[00:38:23] [SPEAKER_00]: or no, not 20, like 20.

[00:38:26] [SPEAKER_00]: OK, yeah, not early 2000 cancer.

[00:38:29] [SPEAKER_03]: OK, rest in peace.

[00:38:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but she was young. She was only 53 when she died.

[00:38:32] [SPEAKER_00]: So wow. Wow.

[00:38:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. Fascinating.

[00:38:36] [SPEAKER_00]: I know. So now on the show, we either pour it up,

[00:38:40] [SPEAKER_00]: which is like we would recommend or put a cork in it,

[00:38:42] [SPEAKER_00]: which means we would not recommend.

[00:38:44] [SPEAKER_00]: And Dan, you used your imagination.

[00:38:46] [SPEAKER_00]: You were interested in the story.

[00:38:48] [SPEAKER_03]: What did you think about? I got to pour it up.

[00:38:50] [SPEAKER_03]: There's there's no way around it.

[00:38:51] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that there's so much interesting here.

[00:38:54] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that it's very it's a groundbreaking case.

[00:38:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like at the very least, I need to go watch the documentary,

[00:39:00] [SPEAKER_03]: which you guys said was on a different network.

[00:39:02] [SPEAKER_03]: And I need to like this seems like a really interesting story.

[00:39:06] [SPEAKER_03]: So I I'm and you guys said that she did a great Lady of the Rage.

[00:39:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Miss Miss Rage did a great job.

[00:39:11] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't like what am I to complain about here?

[00:39:14] [SPEAKER_03]: This seems like a home run. I'm pouring it up.

[00:39:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Let me give you let me tell you one more thing.

[00:39:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Just see if it changes your mind at all.

[00:39:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, OK. There throughout this movie.

[00:39:23] [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't for the life of me know why this happened.

[00:39:27] [SPEAKER_01]: But they there was.

[00:39:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Clear profanity used.

[00:39:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah. In this movie that they silenced.

[00:39:39] [SPEAKER_01]: And it was very weird when it would happen.

[00:39:42] [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know why they make.

[00:39:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe this movie was made in Lifetime said we want it

[00:39:47] [SPEAKER_01]: and they couldn't cut it to make it clean.

[00:39:51] [SPEAKER_00]: So they just here's the thing, guys.

[00:39:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Tim Reed, known

[00:39:56] [SPEAKER_00]: cursor, known, bad word, sayer.

[00:39:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Tim. Tim Reed on Sister Sister was dropping up bombs.

[00:40:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Every other sentence.

[00:40:04] [SPEAKER_00]: And they had to believe him out so much on Sister Sister.

[00:40:07] [SPEAKER_00]: TN Tamara were like so young.

[00:40:09] [SPEAKER_00]: They they were like, oh, my gosh, we didn't know all these.

[00:40:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Someone took a chill.

[00:40:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, that's right.

[00:40:14] [SPEAKER_00]: And and so when he went in to direct this movie,

[00:40:17] [SPEAKER_00]: he said, you take me or leave me.

[00:40:20] [SPEAKER_03]: They did both.

[00:40:21] [SPEAKER_00]: But they didn't take me or bleep me.

[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_03]: They gave me a bleep.

[00:40:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Me is what they did both, actually.

[00:40:26] [SPEAKER_01]: They say, man, they bleeped him.

[00:40:27] [SPEAKER_01]: But they don't they don't like do the beeps out.

[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just silence, which is silent.

[00:40:32] [SPEAKER_01]: It's more jarring and it draws more attention to it.

[00:40:35] [SPEAKER_01]: And I understand there's only so much like you can't say certain things on.

[00:40:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah. TV like it is what it is.

[00:40:41] [SPEAKER_03]: But it was confident now in my port up, but I'm going to pour it up still.

[00:40:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it doesn't happen a ton.

[00:40:46] [SPEAKER_01]: But it happens in these really powerful moments.

[00:40:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Chromatic moment where she's like calling them out on their B.S.

[00:40:51] [SPEAKER_01]: and then like it's just silent for a second.

[00:40:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Right. That's things.

[00:40:55] [SPEAKER_01]: So that was a tough, a tough part of the movie.

[00:40:58] [SPEAKER_00]: You're right. Keep the swear words in, please.

[00:41:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. I would release the uncensored version.

[00:41:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Release the clear, right?

[00:41:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Release the clear cut. That's right.

[00:41:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm pouring this movie up.

[00:41:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I loved it.

[00:41:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I found the whole story to be truly fascinating.

[00:41:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know that there was a documentary, so I'm going to watch that now

[00:41:18] [SPEAKER_01]: because I just thought I think the thing that intrigues me the most is

[00:41:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I like she definitely played it to where you were sympathetic with her.

[00:41:28] [SPEAKER_01]: She definitely felt like she was playing a character and how the human

[00:41:33] [SPEAKER_01]: like the brain is so capable of tricking itself into

[00:41:39] [SPEAKER_01]: ignoring all of the red flags like this company's shady

[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_01]: because I'm getting to I'm getting to act

[00:41:45] [SPEAKER_01]: and I'm finally getting this attention that I think I deserve.

[00:41:48] [SPEAKER_01]: And so you can absolutely convince yourself

[00:41:52] [SPEAKER_01]: that everything is on the up and up, even though in your heart of hearts,

[00:41:56] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, it's not.

[00:41:57] [SPEAKER_01]: And I and I thought that the Lady of Rage played that perfectly

[00:42:02] [SPEAKER_01]: really impressed by her performance.

[00:42:04] [SPEAKER_01]: And I thought it was great.

[00:42:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Really, really, really liked it.

[00:42:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Awesome. Yeah, I'm pouring it up as well.

[00:42:11] [SPEAKER_00]: I agree. Lady of Rage was incredible.

[00:42:13] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad she's getting her moment in the sun to kind of shine in this movie.

[00:42:17] [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, maybe do other things.

[00:42:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Emmys don't really consider TV movies in the TV movie category, which is annoying.

[00:42:25] [SPEAKER_00]: But I feel like it would be a good a good submission, at least

[00:42:29] [SPEAKER_00]: like submit submit her for this lifetime.

[00:42:32] [SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, as far as like the story goes, like they did air

[00:42:35] [SPEAKER_00]: the lifetime or the lifetime air, the HBO doc after this.

[00:42:39] [SPEAKER_00]: So they got the rights to air it.

[00:42:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, cool. So that was nice.

[00:42:42] [SPEAKER_00]: So for anybody who was curious, they could watch it like right after the movie.

[00:42:46] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I saw it like two years ago.

[00:42:49] [SPEAKER_00]: And this movie did a good job adapting that, I think.

[00:42:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Like the script, the script was good.

[00:42:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Director was good.

[00:42:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Like production was was good on this.

[00:42:58] [SPEAKER_03]: So triple poured up, guys, a triple poured up.

[00:43:02] [SPEAKER_01]: And we know so that so the documentary,

[00:43:05] [SPEAKER_01]: you can watch it on Fylo, which is great.

[00:43:06] [SPEAKER_01]: You watch it on Fylo. Oh, that's great.

[00:43:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I love that. That's great.

[00:43:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we did everybody a triple pour up for Miss Cleo.

[00:43:16] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's all that you can hope for.

[00:43:18] [SPEAKER_01]: That's all you can in this day.

[00:43:19] [SPEAKER_01]: In this economy, a triple pour up is impressive.

[00:43:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Patrick, thank you for joining us once again.

[00:43:25] [SPEAKER_01]: It has been too long.

[00:43:26] [SPEAKER_01]: And let's do it again sometime. Yeah, we will.

[00:43:30] [SPEAKER_01]: We will until next time.

[00:43:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe the first wish you a Merry Christmas.

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[00:44:05] [SPEAKER_01]: It's really up to you at this point.

[00:44:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Is that the end of the show?

[00:44:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you're listening to me. Hi.

[00:44:11] [SPEAKER_01]: But here they come. I promise they're coming.

[00:44:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Yep. Here they are.

[00:44:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Happy day.