Gilmore the Merrier - Season 2 Episode 1

[00:00:03] This is a Bramble Jam Podcast.

[00:00:56] Excited to hear our thoughts moving forward. So be excited no longer because we're here! We're here! We're here! Thank you to everyone who wrote in and all the comments. Yeah, and I feel like last time we talked, I know this isn't true, but last time we talked we were like, we need to get to 100 reviews by Bramble Fest. Right. And we had like 50 some reviews and now we have 95 reviews. Wow. 95. So you really, I mean listen, keep them coming guys. That Founder's Day punch is going to hit. It's going to murder. And here's the thing, is people are starting to take notice, Chad, of all the stuff you're

[00:01:26] promising. I did see that review, yes. So now you need to make sure people understand at Bramble Fest we are doing, if you're there, you got a ticket live. Right. We're doing a little Pajamas and Gilmore Girls late at night. That's exactly right. Post Founder's Day punch pajamas late night. That's right. And then the after party. And then the after party, of course. From 2 to 4 a.m. It's going to get wild. Yeah. Chad, are you concerned? I know that you're, you don't, you don't stay up. You're not a late night guy. You're not a late night guy. Neither am I. Right.

[00:01:55] Are you concerned about doing a Gilmore the Merrier episode at like 11 at night? I'm going to consider an early morning episode. There you go. Because I go to bed by like 7. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So at 11, I'm already getting my steps in. Yeah. Yeah. And that's big for you. Exactly. Folks like Holly's Cat. Holly's Cat, Brent leaving us for review. Yeah. Getting out there with her paws and just pop, pop, pop, pop. I said, five stars, everything about this podcast and the chance to revisit the show. I love it. I love it is what she says. I mean. Back 1988 does requests.

[00:02:24] Now I say Suki's name correctly, but some people. It's hard for me to look. Okay. I don't say Suki. I think there is a big middle ground between Suki and Suki. And it is Suki. Yeah. Her name is Suki. It's Suki. I know that. And I know that that's how they say it in the show. When I see double O K, I say look, I just do. And I'm trying to fix it because Suki is what they say. And that's what she deserves to be called. Say book. Book.

[00:02:54] Why would I say book? That doesn't make any sense. Ooh. You want to read my bookie? Yeah. You don't read books. Dude, he was rookie of the year. Get out of here. It's rookie. It's bookie. It's Suki. That must be a South Carolina thing. Where I'm from, they're books. Books. They are books. That's right. You would read five books and get a free pizza from Pizza Hut. Exactly. Pizza Hut. So Pizza Hut. Yeah. Where are you from? Pizza Hut. Book it at Pizza Hut. Of course. I just, you say it so naturally, Brian. And I just kept going, he's saying it wrong.

[00:03:23] And then I heard them say it in the show. I'm like, he's saying it right. I'm saying it wrong. Even though on the page, it says Suki. It says, I'm writing this in my diary tonight. Writing it in your diary. You said something right. And they are so natural for you, Brian. There are not many things that I am. I have a couple of those audio, you do an audio diary. Yes, I do. We just have one I think we want to play. Go ahead. Dear Diary. What a day it's been today.

[00:03:52] I won the Powerball. I don't know why we played that one. Was there a date on that one? No, I don't. That was the day before you quit. In diaries, you write your date. It's not important. I didn't mean to play that one. Stephanie Needig says, this is the rewatch I've been waiting for. Yeah, just waiting. Wow. Imagine you're waiting for a rewatch and it appears in your podcast feed one day. Why didn't you do it yourself, Stephanie? Yeah, really. No kidding. Chris Rave. Chris Rave, shut up.

[00:04:20] Chris Rave says, all for the punch, love and ampersanding. I know we did a whole ampersand bit and I forgot it. That was when Brian was saying, yeah, the ellipses was the ampersand. That's right. But he was calling it ampersand. Of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely. I still agree with you, Bran. There's another one from Big Funny B6, ampersandastic. It just has an ampersand and then an ellipses afterwards. So that crushes. Absolutely. These are just from the last six days. The reviews might be very into the show.

[00:04:49] Genji 810, love with an ampersand, enjoying this journey of Dan and Chad experiencing Gilmore Girls for the first time. Keep them coming, guys. Keep them coming. We read all of them. Actually, I text you guys. I'm like, hey, guys, we're up to such and such. We really appreciate it. I forget about them. And then when I read them, I have an immediate boost. I read them. I'm like, this is great. This is fantastic. Write a really good one about me. I'll read it on air. We haven't got far enough into this particular Bramble Jam podcast for people to start going, I love the show, but Dan's a bit much. We're going to get there. I promise we'll get there.

[00:05:20] Can Dan just cool it? It's going to happen. We'll get there. Well, people have asked you to cool it about Richard and Emily. That's right. They did that on the Deck The Hallmark feed, so good for them because that feed is nice and muddied. So it's really fine that they went there. Keep our pristine five-star intact. And if you want to get mad at me, do it on the Deck to Hallmark. I had that idea. But right now, still a pure five out of five across the board. Can we get five stars pure? At 100 episodes. And then we'll do a Dan dunk tank at Bramble Fest.

[00:05:49] Wow. Right? I love that idea. If you're paying for the dunk tank, then I will maybe do it. How much are dunk tanks? It can't be. It's worth it. That's priceless. Where would we do it, though? Downtown Greenville. If only I had the money. In the Marriott. I don't think it's the Hyatt. The fine folks at Hyatt downtown. Yes. That's deckthomark.com slash fest. That's why I didn't see anyone last year. I think the Marriott. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think they would be thrilled with a dunk tank inside. Right. Yeah. All the more reasons. But I will.

[00:06:19] Listen, if we. We'll put a towel down. Yeah. We'll put a towel down. Yeah. Yeah. They don't have what it takes. Oh, my gosh. Here we go. Bring it on. It's going to be fun. Here's the thing. You guys can't do it. And I'm here. You can't hit it. And if you think I will not ruthlessly ridicule you as you try to dunk me, you're incorrect.

[00:06:48] And inside, it's not water. It's Founder's Day punch. Ooh. With piranha. Ooh. With piranha singular? Well, it's a budget then. Yeah. Listen, I won the Powerball. It's Dan fighting a piranha. I think people would pay for that. That would be fun. Whoever wrote the review said, I like whatever Chad's promising for Bramble Fest. That's right. The promises will keep coming. They're going to keep getting bigger. The results may not, but the promises will. What you can be sure of is, Founder's Day, if you're at Bramble Fest, you can still buy your ticket right now in person. You're going to see us do this live, and you're going to drink some Founder's Day punch.

[00:07:17] And you're going to get to see Chad and PJs. And that's included in that price. Do you have nice? Are you a jammy guy? I'm like Hugh Hefner all silk. I hope so. Dude, don't say it if it's not true. As soon as we end the show here, I put it on. I guess you guys leave pretty quickly. We should get matching jams. We should get matching. That would be fun. Like some Stars Hollow jams or something? Oh, I like that idea. Yeah, I got you. Okay. So here's another problem. Matching pajamas. Yes. And then anyone who wants to purchase them can as well. Wow. Well, I didn't. We didn't. They'll be for sale.

[00:07:47] Limited time, one night only. Yeah, exactly. All right, let's get to Gilmore Girls Season 2, Episode 1. Oh, my. Dan just found some Gilmore Girls pajamas. Those are awesome. They are pretty rad. How much are those? 26 bucks. Oh, okay. What is that website? Do they have a... There's a size guide. I'm going to make this. And your size is going to be more. It says it's... Let's see. It said it's one size fits all. I don't think that's how PJs work. Yeah, I'd probably be like a large... Trust us. It's one size fits all. It's kind of fits. This is... Oh, wait a minute. People make promises like that.

[00:08:16] They don't keep. This website's a lie. Here we go. It's a lie site. All right, are you going to get waterproof ones for the dunk tank? Yeah, that's a good point. Waste 73. That would be right. What the hell? Yeah, I don't know. Guys, I know. Like, I've been, you know, eating some candy and whatnot. What's that? What's that? What's that? What's that? What's that? It's her pants for 73. Oh, man. It's a tour story. It's a short tour story. It's a tour story. That's right. All right, let's talk.

[00:08:46] Give a Girl Season 2, Episode 1. It's called Sadie Sadie. Sadie Hawkins Dance. I don't know why it's called Sadie Sadie. From the Streisand musical. Funny Girl. Funny Girl. Yes. October 9th, 2001 is when this episode aired. That's how you, this is, we don't need to do that. Heather in the chat, BrambleJamPlus.com, has said the right, and she's looked it up. There's a company in Simpsonville that has dunk tanks for $300 for a day, and it's totally worth it. Oh, that's a home run.

[00:09:16] $300 for the day? That is. Where are we putting? I will do this if we get to 100 reviews. Where are we putting this? You answered that question. On the stage. Because then we can do different people. You can't put it in the valet parking. Like, we got to like. Right. It's going to be hot in Greenville that time of year. It's going to be so hot. The people at Hyatt Place are good to us, so let us do it inside. I don't think they're good. We'll put down a tank. I'm not asking them. We'll put down a tank. I'll ask them. I love that.

[00:09:44] October 9th, 2001, I went a little something like this. It is spring in Stars Hollow. Everybody has flowers. Rory is talking to Lorelai about where she should get married. A topic that Lorelai wants nothing to do with because she hasn't even decided if she's going to say yes or not. Rory goes to talk to Lane, and Lane has bad news. Her parents purchased her a one-way ticket to Korea for the summer. That's a tough break.

[00:10:14] Lorelai goes to buy a newspaper, and she sees a ton of wedding planning magazines, so she ends up picking one up. But that must mean that she is going to say yes. At least that's what Patty thinks when she walks up and sees her. Look at the magazine. She's like, have you told Luke yet? And she's like, no, I haven't told Luke yet. But also, it doesn't matter because we're just friends. It's not a big deal. Naturally, the entire town follows her to the diner to watch her tell Luke. Luke handles it well.

[00:10:41] But then he starts to ask a ton of questions like, where will you live? Will you have more kids? Will you keep working once you get married? Lorelai is not thrilled by this line of questioning. It's Friday night dinner time, everybody. And when they get there, Emily is very, very chipper. She's pumped because Rory finished in the top 3% of Chilton. They already knew this, which kind of kills the vibes of the big surprise. But they're very happy nonetheless.

[00:11:09] Lorelai begins to play with the ring that she's wearing and moves it over to her ring finger. And I got to be honest with you. She likes the way it looks. She guarantees it. She guarantees it. So she goes outside. She calls Max up. And she starts asking the questions that Luke was asking. Like, where are we going to live? All of these things. And he's like, wait, hold on. You're asking me these questions. Does that mean that you're saying yes? She comes back to join the dinner. And she smiles at Rory. And Rory knows what that means. They stand up. They start cheering.

[00:11:38] Emily and Richard are very confused. But naturally, that means that they're going to tell them the good news. Right? Right? Right? Right? Right? Well, the next day, she tells Suki. And she's the sucky. I think we're looking for sucking. He's not sucky. No one said sucky. She is pumped to the point of tears. Jackson comes in and sees how excited Suki is about the wedding. And he freaks out because he doesn't want any part of that.

[00:12:07] Later that night, Dean shows up. And I guess Rory and Dean are back together. And they kiss. Now that they're back together, Rory wants him to come and meet her grandparents at the celebratory dinner that they're having. They said, hey, we're going to celebrate your 3%. Invite a friend. So naturally, Dean is that friend. But they see Dean and they are not thrilled because it is clear that Dean does not come from money. Richard questions Dean hardcore. Where do you want to go to college? What grades do you get? What do you want to do when you grow up?

[00:12:35] He lectures them about how special Rory is. And Rory defends Dean, which causes the dinner to come to an abrupt ending. When they get home, Lorelai explains that it wasn't about her or Dean. It was about the fact that when they see Rory, it is the hope that they have for the future. That everything that they wanted out of Lorelai, they're getting in Rory. And so when they saw Dean, it just made them think about the disappointment of Lorelai. Lorelai. She requests that she cuts them a little bit of slack.

[00:13:05] Back at Richard and Emily's house, Richard is still super mad, but is interrupted by a phone call. She says, who is it? There's no answer. No, it is actually. It's Suki. Suki. Suki. It's Suki. Say it right. Suki is calling about an engagement party. For whom? For Lorelai and Max, of course. Naturally, this is how Emily finds out that her daughter is engaged. So she barges into Richard's office and she demands that he apologizes to Rory. And he's like, WTF? Why would I do that?

[00:13:34] She says, well, their daughter is getting married. She didn't tell them. And when Rory gets engaged, she wants her to tell them. Fix it. The episode ends with Max giving Lorelai an engagement ring and her looking at it a lot. And that, my friends, was Gilmore Girls Season 2 Episode 1. Sadie Sadie. We did it. Yeah. Kicking off the season on fire. Better than ever. Yeah. All right. Let's take a break. We're going to come back.

[00:14:03] We're going to break this episode down here on Gilmore the Merrier. Welcome back, everybody. Deck The Hallmark. We're talking about the Season 2 premiere. October 2001. The WB. Let's break this episode down. We're going to start with a hot take so we can share exactly how we felt about this episode. Chad, I'll start with you. Are we back, baby?

[00:14:32] Oh, my gosh. We are not only back. Dan, you should read the first few lines I wrote because I voice text my notes. Okay. Just read this and let's try to translate what I'm trying to say. At end of season of Apple, not sure where Max sending the flowers in a lackluster proposal of sorries would get, but tips, good, but tips opens up with a full-on engagement episode where everyone towed except Lorelai's mom, Emily. See? See what I mean? What a mess.

[00:15:02] So I think that's the hottest take of all. Yeah, I think by season seven, Chad's going to learn how to take notes. It's going to be awesome. Can I ask you this, though? Where everyone towed? Right. That's the question. But, Emily. Where everyone towed? Yeah, so that's exactly what I was thinking of that episode. At the end of Season of Apple. Yeah, Season of Apple, of course. Right. So what I do mean is I translate on the spot my own words.

[00:15:29] So at the end of Season 1, we see Max send her all these flowers, like a thousand flowers, whatever it was, and this kind of over-the-phone lackluster proposal. I wasn't sure if it was serious or not. It's kind of like you can miss it, right? Yeah, I did not expect us to come back to a, is she going to say yes or not? I thought they had just started dating. And it's just one of the things. Sometimes you just say things, and I think they'll come to fruition, like dunk tanks, punch, all-night pajama parties, whatever. Yeah, all those things. All-night pajama. We didn't think about it all-nighter.

[00:15:58] It's a long weekend, Chad. Not all-nighter. We cannot stay up all night Friday night. I'll be there all night, whoever wants to party all night. Yeah, that's right. Ramblefest, folks that have been for years and years know that if they come to that Thursday night kickoff, you go too hard on Thursday night, it makes it tough to climb the mountain. You've got to pace yourself at this thing. Oh, I'm all talk. Dan, you wanted to go to a movie last time at like eight, and I was like, it's not happening. Yeah, exactly. It's like a midnight shower. It was an eight o'clock show. Right. It was too late. And I hemmed and hawed for a good 15 minutes. You almost made it, too. You almost did it.

[00:16:28] It was close. That would have been so cool. It's the thought that counts. Yeah. So anyway, what I'm saying is that is, I'm not saying this at all, but now I'm saying it, that is how you start a season over. From the minute it starts, we're keeping up the momentum from this fabulous first season, and you're instantly hooked again. Brian, do you know how long was it between the end of season one and the beginning of season two? Probably all of June, July, August, September. So it's probably four months. Yeah. I think the last episode ended in... Probably late May. Yeah. That's usually how TV would work back then. Yeah.

[00:16:57] And they're just learning from season two that season one's a big hit, too. Right. So to have this story going, all this momentum, I loved it. But I kept thinking, did I miss something? Because she was talking about this proposal. So that was weird. I loved it. The whole town decides to follow Lorelai to Luke's to tell him. And that was so great. That was a really funny bit. They're all looking through the windows. I was thinking like the actress 20 years later still being in that scene. May 10th to October 9th. So almost five months to the day. That's a big gap. Huge gap. Yeah. Okay. I mean, geez. Okay.

[00:17:27] Now waiting a week would be a long time for it. So I thought that was fun. There were some really great lines in this. It just picked up the pace right away. And when they're like, hey, they were messing with Dean at dinner about him having a beer. And then all three Gilmore girls, Emily, Lorelai, Rory, all kind of bust his chops together. They're not normally on the same page. A lot of fun. But just really quickly, the dinner with Grandpa, when he goes off on Dean, he's clearly relitigating the issues that he had with Lorelai when she was 16.

[00:17:55] You feel it. It's like the ghost of Lorelai's past is the ghost of Rory's future, which is really cool. That's a line. That's a bar. Why? Why everyone toe? You know what I mean? That's right. So anyway, it was uncomfortable. It was real. It was cringing, frustrating. I couldn't turn away. Fabulous. And if you're not on Bramble Jam Plus, sign up because the live chat right now is talking about the dunk tank. And it's like 100% people want it. 100% are in favor of dunk tank. Got it. Go figure. That's crazy.

[00:18:25] That's Laura's dog. That's awesome. Hi, Toad. Hi, Toad. Toad. Toad. Toad. Toad. Sit down, Toad. Sit. Sit. Good boy. Go good boy, Toad. So this episode's a ripper. This episode, so much happens. It's moving. It is just, it's hitting on all cylinders, picking up. You know, I felt like we had really found our groove last season and this didn't lose a beat. And I also think, like, so this episode, not to like get weird about it, but this episode,

[00:18:55] they aired two episodes. This episode and episode two on the same night. Almost a month to the day from September 11th. And I have to imagine, like, if as somebody who probably loved this show season one and like just the craziness of that month, what it must have been like to just be like, I have two episodes of a new season of my favorite show. Of a town insulated from any politics or anything. And just like, I'm going back to Stars Hollow.

[00:19:23] And I have like, that's how I felt that today. I'm going back to Stars Hollow. I can't wait. I can't imagine what it was like back then. Just must have been so nice to go back. And this episode was great. It had everything that you want out of the show. It was fantastic. Loved it. That's a great point. Didn't think about the timeline there. Interesting. Yeah. So, I mean, I obviously can and will in the future continue to wax poetic about the sheer godlessness and immorality that are Richard and Emily. And I'm fine to continue doing that.

[00:19:52] I think that is either the bane of a listener's existence or the reason that they're listening and there's no real in-between on that. Instead, I will, in this episode, which I do think that's on display, there is something about a show that knows it's clicking on all cylinders that's very special. It's almost bittersweet because you know that it can't sustain how good it is. Does that make sense? Or am I crazy? No, you're right. There are times when watching the first three seasons of West Wing, like I don't have ever

[00:20:20] seen that show, where you're like, this show can do no wrong. It's so perfect. There were times in like seasons two to five of How I Met Your Mother. Or where you're just like, or like season two of The Office. Or like there are these examples of these shows where it's like every creative decision they're making is the right one. Everything they're doing is just, everyone's in lockstep. That's what this feels like. You know where I stand with Richard and Emily, and I'm sure I'll have plenty of chances to talk about it.

[00:20:47] Make no mistake, this is Gilmore Girls operating at the height of its powers. Are you worried they won't be able to keep it up for later seasons? I have no doubt they won't. I have no doubt that this show is not going to be as good in season seven as it is right now. There's no way. Do you know how I know that? Because TV dramas are like 100% defeated when it comes to season seven and beyond. Like, name me a show that isn't a procedural that is better in season seven or just as

[00:21:16] good in season seven, eight, nine, ten as it is in season two, three, or whenever it hits its stride. Okay. So like I understand. Danny's big time show. Danny's big time show. You bring that up a lot. That seven, eight was season seven. That really good. And I will say there is an exception to every rule and that happens to be it. Well, you forgot about it and you asked and I reminded you. Sometimes it takes shows two, three, four seasons to really hit their stride. What I'm saying is, is when you find that show that's clicking on all cylinders, it's virtually impossible to keep that up. Like I think of like a breaking bad or better call Saul where it's like five seasons and

[00:21:46] that was it. They couldn't do anymore. I cannot imagine episode 140 having near the just like well-oiled machine feel of this. Like it feels very perfect. Like it feels like a show that is just settled in. They're comfortable. They know that they're not going anywhere. They're they, every character knows their character. It just feels like it's really clicking the way it should click. And if you're lucky, if you get that for two, three seasons and not just a couple of episodes.

[00:22:16] And that's what this feels like right now. And I would prefer episodes that deal more with Chilton and with Tristan and with what's her name? Paige. What's her name? Is it Paige? Who's that? The friend? The friend. Paris. Paris. And Chilton. But having said that, this is how you Gilmore girls. So I'm not mad at it.

[00:22:44] Even if I would disagree. If you think that's teach me how to Gilmore. If you think that Richard and Emily came off as sympathetic and all in this episode, I would hard disagree, but that's not why we're here. I'm here to tell you that this, uh, um, this episode crushes. I like, so we don't have to keep our quality up for every season. This is a big relief. I will say this when you podcast as many episodes as we did on deck, the homework, like you Evan flow. Like you guys only up.

[00:23:11] I was listening to the last step to a recent episode. Yeah. The hot dog sandwich discussion. And it was fantastic. But like it ebbs and flows. Like it's not, but like with drama, like there was serialized drama like this. Like you just can't possibly hope to sustain this. And I want to, what's the, how many seasons are there in Gilmore girls? I think seven. So I'm not saying there won't be good episodes in seven.

[00:23:37] I'm saying that this like seemingly just like perfectly clicking along. It's not going to feel like as good as it feels right now. I would, I would, I would, I would be willing to bet. And then, and then, and then the Netflix. And then Laura says two and three are probably the show's peak. So there you go. Spoiler alert. You know, that's it. Toad get her. And then Heather says, I was typing the same thing. I will, uh, plead the fifth. I'm not allowed to discuss such things. Yeah. Of course.

[00:24:04] You probably like season seven or something stupid like that. And then there's also the other show that came later, right? On Netflix. Yeah. Yeah. We'll get to that. Yeah. It's part of, it's part of Gilmore the Mirror. It's four appies. Okay. Okay. That's it. Four movies. And then there's rumors of a possible, uh, new one coming. I know. Did you hear about that on a Christmas morning? I did. Yes, exactly. Then it might be a Christmas episode. There you go. That's what Laura likes it. Christmas movie. Up in the North Pole. They've heard about it. Oh yeah. Well, we brought that news to the North Pole. So that's neither here nor there.

[00:24:32] Um, let's get to all the feels where we're talking about what in this episode gave us feels. Chad. Won't we do favorite line? We do favorite line these days. Yeah. Yep. Yep. I'll do whatever. All you want. So, uh, after dinner, Lorelai says to Dean, because Dean just got eviscerated by Richard and Emily kind of let it happen. And she just says, all I can say is tonight you officially became a good more, a Gilmore girl. And I just love that. That was good. I felt like we all became Gilmore girls during that scene. Wow. We all, we all took it. I mean, it's bold for you to speak for all of us, but I mean, that's fine. Yeah.

[00:25:02] I had already been one, but of course. Speaking of which at Bramble Fest, are we getting Gilmore the Marrier tattoos? Like we discussed. As long as Brian goes first, I'm in. No, you're out. Brian hates needles. Because we could do Gilmore over one eyebrow, the in the middle. Yeah. And then Marrier. A little the unibrow. Well, the unibrow. That's right. That'd be great. You were thinking face. You can't, you know, you can't get those in South Carolina. Oh, really? North Carolina you can't. I'll get them before I come down. Yeah. You can get yours and then we'll do it. Yeah. We'll do it. Brian and I will travel out of state. Thank you, sir. We'll do it. We'll do it. We'll do it.

[00:25:40] Don't worry. I'll take the pig's head into Ivana Trump's rear end. Talk about the Ivana Trump reference. Twice a month to keep her looking. I got nothing to add to that. Yeah. Some of this stuff isn't going to age well, gang. I'm just letting you know. I, my favorite part of this episode is when Lorelai and Rory get to Richard and Emily's house and Emily and Richard believe that they have the inside track on Rory's grades.

[00:26:10] Hysterical for a number of, like, it's hysterical that Rory would not know her own grades, which she does. Right. Like, hysterical that, like, the mom wouldn't be privy to that information. The idea that Emily and Richard are over here and they are, they think they are going to spring information about Rory to Rory. And then when it doesn't go well and Richard gets mad that Emily said it before he got in the room. And when, when Lorelai calls her, her mom, J. Edgar Hoover, that was my moment.

[00:26:40] That was perfect. Perfect. Like this, this woman over here, uh, doing all the spy work when we just knew the information. Fantastic. And then the mom goes, who'd you find it out from? She goes, or who do you know with Chilton? She goes, Rory. Rory. Yes. Yeah, exactly. That was great. Like the idea that they're calling all these people and trying to go through back channels to find out Rory's grades should tell you everything you know about those people in general. But that, that was a great moment. Yeah. Right. Yeah.

[00:27:05] Also though, the, the shout out to Max for, uh, not letting anybody at Chilton know about his proposal because that would have gotten back to, to Emily. Right. Yeah. The headmaster's wife would have found out then she would have told Emily. So this starts pretty much after the semester's over, I guess. So it's really, yeah. It's like, well, we're approaching summer, but what I don't understand. And it's kind of a wait, what, but they, she says that the proposal happened yesterday. I don't know what's going on.

[00:27:33] So in the TV show, the, the finale of one happened the day before the premiere of two. Oh, that's how. Per Lorelai, which is a crate. That's a wait, what? And there was a bad segue because we got to take a break, but yeah, that would be one of my wait, what? Good segue into a break. We're back. Oh my goodness. Do we need the wait, what? See, I got a good one. It is time for the wait, what? Do you mind if I let Chad go first? Sure. Go for it. Okay. So we talk about what in this episode may just go away. What?

[00:28:03] Here it comes. Chad. There were a handful, but there was one where it made me like, you're making your own Twinkies. I understand. Get out of here. You're high. Get out of here. Cook and everything. No. You're not going to perfect the Twinkie. No. If she likes a Twinkie, don't redo it. It's not going to be right. Well, I also feel like one of the things, like the endearing moments of Emily in season one was her trying the pizza. The moment with her and Rory, where Rory's like, we're going to make this frozen pizza.

[00:28:33] You're going to take it. Pizza with my hands. This is amazing. Like, to me, it would have made sense. Okay. For, no, no, no. I agree with you. It would have made sense for Emily to take her granddaughter's word on this. Like, oh, I got to try these Twinkies. Right. She was right about the frozen pizza. She must be right about these Twinkies. But making them on her own is what threw me off. Yeah, no, that's crazy. You would never do that for someone that loves the thing. It does not continue the growth of Emily in that regard, unfortunately. Right.

[00:29:03] I would have loved to see her eating a Twinkie, though. That would have been a fun scene. I just think if you want to make your own Twinkie for the fun of it, have at it. If someone loves Twinkies, you don't try to make them. Like, the beauty of a Twinkie is exactly how they want it to taste. I don't like them, per se. But if you like them, like, I love Diet Coke. And people are like, have you tried Coke Zero? I'm like, no. I don't think you understand. Diet Coke tastes great because of all the chemicals. Like, it's not. Like, I don't want it to taste like Coke. Right. Like, I taste the thing.

[00:29:31] Like, I don't want it to be higher quality. I want it to be the thing that I want it to be. Yeah, so it was just a fool's here. This is a great time, though, to tease our Twinkie bar at Bramble Fest. It's a make-your-own-twinkie bar we're going to have. How do you do a make-your-own-twinkie bar? It's, well, far enough from the dunk tank so it doesn't get wet. Of course, of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't want the soggy Twinkie. Yeah. No, you have, like, the shell, right? And then you can decorate it. Yeah. It's like a Buche de Noelle and a Twinkie together. Yeah. Buche de Noelle-Twinkie combo. Yeah, what a combo. Twinkie de Noelle.

[00:30:02] I have a couple. I don't think on the first day. Still fuck you on it, to be honest with you. She doesn't. She struggles early on, right? We have a parent-teacher conference between Lorelei and Max about how she's not quite getting.

[00:30:31] And then she's able to leapfrog everybody else to become top 3%. So here's- That means, in my estimation, a lot of people at Chilton, a lot of these kids are really struggling. Coasting. And we're like, if this was her second year at Chilton, I'd buy it 100%. But first year. First year. We're still there. This is her first year at Chilton. She was struggling for at least a chunk of the- I 100% don't buy it based on the character.

[00:31:00] I 100% do buy it based on Gilmore Girls using it as a plot point for Richard and Emily. Of course. Like, too easy not to use. Yeah. So I was not shocked when I heard it. It just felt like they used it a season too early. Even if I 100% was like, well, she literally got there in the middle of the year. Like, there's no way. And was struggling. But whatever. Yeah, I don't know. And then I do what you mentioned, Twinkie, right? So they were going to do the homemade Twinkie. They go home and Lorelai's like, we've got Twinkies.

[00:31:30] She takes all of the Twinkies out of their wrappers and puts them onto one plate. And then after taking them all out of the wrappers and putting them on a plate, she then transported them to another plate. It's a crazy move. She grew up very rich. So she still has those tendencies. It's too many plates for Twinkies. I would argue any amount of plates is too many plates for Twinkies. It's kind of their whole deal. The whole thing is you can just eat it. But she's now done.

[00:31:57] And also, it's just a waste to pre-unwrap the Twinkies. Like, you don't know how many you're going to eat. Exactly. And it's not hard. It's... And then you just eat it. You eat the Twinkie. And you don't have to do... Step one, open the Twinkie. Step one, open the Twinkie. The funny is you throw it to someone in the thing. That's right. Yeah. This... She unwrapped an entire box of Twinkies onto a plate and transported them to another plate. Chad, when's the last time you've had a Twinkie? Well... Be honest. Never? This millennium. No. I mean, probably in the 90s. In the 90s. Yeah.

[00:32:27] It was good. It was a good time. Would you have a Twinkie at a Bramble Fest? Listen, if we get to... If we get to 200... You're promising to make your... I'll just tell you. Chad will promise the world of duck tanks. You ask him to eat some processed sugar. Right? He's going to have to think about it. He's going to have to think about it a little bit. 200 reviews by Bramble Fest. I'm housing a whole Twinkie. Oh, my God. That's interesting there. Absolutely. Now, that's interesting. And we'll do it on the show. We'll do it on the show. The live show. I'll be on a treadmill, but I'll be doing it. Just a little recap about that.

[00:32:56] We'll bring in a walking treadmill. That's so great. A treadmill for you to... Yeah, I'm no fun. You guys are learning. No, you're the most fun. You just don't want to eat a Twinkie. All right. I'm fun before 8 p.m. That's right. Of course. Dano? Yeah. So, there's a bit where Suki... Not Suki. What a good job. What growth. Suki sees some fresh... I've never said that. They didn't say who said it. It might have been me. No. There's Suki. There's Suki like rubber ducky. Like I didn't say... No, rubber sucky. Yeah, rubber...

[00:33:27] Rubber sucky. Rubber duke. Right. There you go. Rubber duke. One of them. Suki... I'm so confused. Suki gets these live lobsters. And she's like, oh my gosh, look at those lobsters. And she... Like she's never cooked with lobsters before. Besides, she's going to dive her hand right on the end of those live lobsters. And a lobster like snaps her hand. Yeah. And it is said that she... Like she's like, I got it. She puts a towel on it and says, I'm a quick clotter. Which is a funny joke. Yeah.

[00:33:56] But she just bled on the lobsters. Right. Like you can't... Ah, you're going to cook them. You're going to boil those suckers. You mean to tell me that if your chef bleeds on the lobsters, you know that they're going to get boiled and so it's okay? I think it's... Because you're not eating the shell? Yeah. It's the... Guys, that's disgusting. It's the Fahrenheit rule. Yeah. It's the Fahrenheit rule. Is that the rule? It's a certain Fahrenheit. Once you get past a certain... Once you get to boil... Right. Once you get to boil, all bets are off. Boil blood. Blood can't...

[00:34:25] Listen, I know what you're saying. Blood can't transfer. What I'm telling you is that as a chef, you can't do that. You don't cook... You don't eat your food if you're bleeding out all over it. Is that right? I know. It's a bold statement. It's a rule. I don't think of that one scene from Danny's big time show that you talk about all the time. But you can't do... That's my favorite episode. You can't... It is my favorite episode. You can't do this. I'm thinking about it now. You can't do this. So if anyone's bleeding by the Twinkie bar, please...

[00:34:55] That's right. Do not hang out those Twinkies. Yeah. I mean, and they sponge it right. Like, the Twinkie was meant to stop the blood. She bled on the lobsters and then she cooked them anyway. I'm just saying maybe don't. It's the Fahrenheit rule. So... I don't make it. Yeah. It's the Fahrenheit rule. I think Lisa has a great point. All the crap... Go ahead. All the crap in the ocean you're getting from the lobster from blood is Lisa, you're worried about. So you're cool with it, Lisa. That's fine. I'm not disagreeing that lobsters are crustaceans or whatever. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I think they are. Is that right? Yeah.

[00:35:22] Like, I'm not disagreeing that, like, they need to be clean before they're cooked. I'm just saying when it comes to raw seafood, if you cut your finger and bleed on the seafood, you shouldn't cook it or serve it. Right. It doesn't matter if it'll be... The Fahrenheit rule is not in effect, is what I'm saying. Can I say, though, at Bramble Fest, night two, we're doing a grottish surf and turf. There will be no blood on the lobster. Is that correct, guys? Yeah. Okay. Bring your own blood. Bring your own blood. If you want to, it's up to you. Surf. Suki blood.

[00:35:53] But that's night two, though, so don't look for a night. And then lastly, I know I'm going to get some pushback here, but, like, Suki and Lorelai are best friends. Like, B... They dream of opening an end together. Yes. Right. Correct. They are BFFs. BFFs would know about the situation of each other's parents. Oh, yeah. Right. 100%. Right.

[00:36:20] Suki waits 12 hours to call Richard and Emily and invite him to a party. That's a great way why. You've got to be joking me. Yeah. You've got to be joking me. There is no word where... That's when she became Suki. Yeah. She was Suki then. That's a Suki move. That is a Suki move. Suki would be like, hey, have you told... Even Suki, who is a very, like, whimsical character, she is planning something, and her best friend is estranged from her parents. There is just no world where she would call them.

[00:36:49] I get we needed to move the plot forward for what I would assume would be a big showdown in the next episode. I'm just guessing. But I just didn't buy it. My eyes rolled to the back of my head when I heard the conversation. I was like, this is really stupid and was unearned completely. That's a big way of what for me. That's a good one. It's time for Written in the Stars Hollow. It is basically what the Hallmark but different. So different. You know, wondering. It's some questions that we still have that we'd like answers to.

[00:37:17] Maybe some thoughts or predictions for the future. Or anything's really fair game here in Written in the Stars Hollow. Chad? There's a lot of them. And I want to go back to my earlier quote. At end of season of Apple. Not sure where Mac's sending flowers and lackluster proposer where everyone towed. You know, so that's where I want to go and build on that. Yeah. So I want to build on that. I do have a lot of questions. So right now, if you're watching this in a vacuum, Lorelai is marrying Max. That's really impressive. Send help. Yeah.

[00:37:46] Let us do what you can. And how did you get sucked up? Yeah. It's a whole story. But you're still watching this? Or you're in a Danny's big time. Come on, man. Put some respect on the name. DBGT or whatever. You said you knew that. I love that. I'm starting to think you were fake laughing. Yeah. Yeah. You were just playing along with the bit, you know? No, it's just fake sounding real loud. I got you. Of course. I'm known for that. Actually, there was one review that said I sounded like, I asked if I, someone thought I sounded like Max Medina. Oh. Okay. All right. Which I didn't, I don't know. I don't think so. I don't hear it, but I mean, I'll take it. Hi, I'm Max Medina. This is very hot. Yeah.

[00:38:16] That is very similar. I would think, okay, Lorelei and Max are going to get married and maybe that's the thing of the season. I really loved the way she said yes to this proposal. And if I was watching this show and not knowing that there's going to be other teams down the line, I would have already shipped the two of them. Right. So now you're thinking, okay, so that's a written in the stars hollow. What happens here? Right. Like what team, what happens with Luke?

[00:38:46] Do they get married? Do they then get divorced? How does it affect Rory and Lorelei's relationship? If Max is going to move in with them, he's still a teacher at the school. There's a lot of good, so many questions from this one, maybe more than other ones. I found Max so much more likable as a not teacher of Rory and really not a faculty member of the school as just a sit in the office and answer phone guy. He was great. I'm firmly. And the school year's almost over. Right. I'm firmly team Max, team Dean right now of the available options.

[00:39:16] Luke and Tristan can absolutely kick it up the road as it stands right now. But I know that she's not going to end up with Max. And that's kind of disappointing from a standpoint of knowing it. How do you know that? Because we know there's other teams coming down the road. That doesn't mean that she doesn't end up with him, though. There's also why we see team Jack. If we know she's going to have another romantic interest. She can end up with Max. You can have team. Right. We know that this is not final. So to say it that way. That's fair. We know that this is not final. So there's that. When do we meet Jess?

[00:39:45] There's a team Jess, I hear. Maybe you don't want to say, but I know. Yeah, he's trying not to say anything. Okay. Right. Got you. We'll get there, I'm sure. Well, we'll get there. Oh, we'll get there. Great to meet Jess. I can't either. Listen, the scene where the town is following them to look very funny. Great fun. But there is a line mentioned, which is, I can't wait for the movie theater to reopen. What happened to it? What happened to the movie?

[00:40:13] If you remember, if this was a day after the finale. Right. Right. Not too long before the finale, like episode 19 or 20, she goes to a movie. Yeah. With Max. That's right. What happened? What happened? I speculate. Whatever happened to the movie theater happened in the last few weeks. This seems relatively new. That's right. This is a good one. Maybe the dunk tank leaked all over and broke the electronics. That's why you don't do it inside. But they didn't have a towel. They didn't have one towel.

[00:40:42] Exactly. So you got to think about that too. That's exactly right. So yeah, just what's going on there. Dan? So as much as I appreciated this show kind of at the height of its powers, in my opinion, like every, the writing was amazing. All the characters seem to be clicking on all cylinders. I did miss a lot of characters in this episode. Like I missed a town hall meeting. I missed the Chilton stuff. I missed some more of the end stuff. I missed some of the people around town.

[00:41:06] And so I'm looking forward to seeing more of that and less Richard and Emily centric episodes. So I'm hoping that we're going that direction moving forward. Yeah. And can I jump in on that one too? You know what? What happened to Rune? Right? They brought him back. He lives all at the B&B. And no one's heard of Rune's sense. He and Ryan Cook are hanging out somewhere. Which we will. I hope everybody enjoyed the update. I'm trying my best out of here. We're still after that update. We're still trying.

[00:41:36] Yeah. Maybe we're not. All right. By the way, if you missed last week's mailbag episode, go back. Check that out. Keep them coming. Yeah. I mean, maybe we'll do one after season two. Which was your favorite email that came in or message from the mailbag episode? Did you guys have a favorite? Listen, there were so many good ones. That's right. Terry's was great. The one about like which character, like how would they be in a Hallmark movie? Oh, I love that one. That's a good one to think about. I can think about it now for next time we do it. All right.

[00:42:05] Let's be done. Let's be done. Yeah, it was great. It was great. And that was off the cuff. Now I get to think about it. Yeah, yeah. It's great. Let's be done. Let's go watch an episode of Danny's Big Time. Let's come back next week. Shall we? Episode two of season two. It's going to be a lot of fun. Until then, keep Gilmore in. Keep Gilmore in. Gilmore in your heart. Come on. Gilmore the Marriors of Bramble Jam podcast produced by Brandon Gray and Yale at Greenville, South Carolina.

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