Introducing: Who What When (South Carolina Public Radio)

[00:00:01] Hi, it's Bran. On Fridays in April we are spotlighting some of our other shows that we are a part of and today we are spotlighting Who What When, a show that we do over on South Carolina Public Radio. This is kind of a new iteration of a show we used to do called History or His Story that we did for a couple of years. We have now taken that show and kind of made it a little bit broader and are doing a weekly show over on South Carolina Public Radio.

[00:00:32] It's a lot of fun. It's an hour of history, games and trivia with me and Dan and we think it's a ton of fun. If somehow you have missed it, even though we promote it on our social media, maybe you've dealt with South Carolina, didn't know how to find it, whatever it is, here's an episode of Who What When and if you like it, you can listen to it by searching wherever you listen to podcasts or search for Who What When and you can listen every single week to new episodes. But for now, here's Who What When.

[00:00:59] From South Carolina Public Radio, this is Who What When, an hour of history, games and trivia. I'm Daniel Thompson. And I'm Brandon Gray. Avengers, assemble! From comic books to blockbuster movies, we're devoting today's show to all things Marvel. That's right, Bran. Coming up later this hour, we'll see how well you know your Captain America quotes in Marvel trivia. We'll also speak to a local educator and comic book expert about Marvel's history and impact on popular culture.

[00:01:28] A lot of fun. If you think it sounds fun, we would love for you to join us for some games. If you'd like to be a contestant, all you've got to do is call or text 803-470-6347. One more time, that's 803-470-6347. Or you could send us an email to whowhatwin at scpublicradio.org. You will have a shot to maybe get the title of the Who What When Shaming of the Week, add that to your LinkedIn, and you'll get a trophy, the Who What When fanny pack.

[00:01:55] That's right, Bran. You could jam a comic book in that fanny pack if you wanted. I would not recommend it, though. No. It's not going to be mint condition anymore. You've got to get into one of them protective sleeves. The protective sleeve is very important. It is. And, Bran, we're covering a massive force in pop culture today. That is, of course, Marvel Comics. It started out as timely comics founded by publisher Martin Goodman all the way back in 1939. Over time, it evolved into the Marvel that we know today with hundreds of comics,

[00:02:23] the Marvel Cinematic Universe, known as the MCU, and so many well-known heroes and villains. Some might call it a juggernaut. Nicely done there. That's an X-Men pun. Yeah, Bran, considering that, how do you feel about Marvel in general? I've got to be honest, Sean wrote that. I wouldn't have been able to pick that out of the lineup. I like Marvel movies, but, you know, I feel like there was a long period of time, six, seven years ago, where we were just bombarded by Marvel.

[00:02:49] They were everywhere. And I think I got a little bit burned out, but I still love Marvel. I still love superheroes. I just needed a little bit of a break. But I love Spider-Man. I'm always here for Spider-Man. You're a huge Spider-Man fan. Who's your favorite Marvel movie? I've got to be honest. I love Iron Man in general. I agree with you. I think from the time Iron Man was released to the time The Avengers was released, all of these movies felt like events.

[00:03:14] Now, do I still go every time? Do my kids both still freaking love Spider-Man and all the Avengers? Yeah, it's just part of who we are now. And you know what Marvel did that, you know, still kind of gets at me? Is they do the thing where they do the little stinger at the end of the credits. And you sit around and you've got to sit through all the names to see the one little short thing that you're going to forget about by the time the next movie rolls around. It's a racket, I tell you. When I'm showing a movie to my kids and they ask if there's a stinger in the end of the credits,

[00:03:42] I just look and see if the movie happened before 2008. If it did, I say no. You say no. Because before 2008, nobody cared about a stinger. And now, that's just so common. In kids' movies, in Marvel movies, it's crazy. They love a stinger. And now Marvel is really getting the credit that it deserves with its own episode of Who It Went. I think that's what they were waiting for, and so now it's finally here. That's right. They've spent trillions of dollars. They've made a merger with Disney. But you know what? They just reached the peak, and it's an episode of Who It Went. That's exactly right.

[00:04:11] I think they're probably thrilled that it's time to get to our first game. And you know what, Bran? We have two contestants that are also ready to play with us. Let's meet them right now. Contestant number one, what's your name? Where are you from? My name is Mark, and I'm from Greenville. Hey! Yeah, that Greenville. How about that? Shout out to our hometown, Mark. Shout out. Now, Mark, a little birdie told us that you used to be a DJ. What was your DJ name? DJ Al.

[00:04:40] DJ Al. How did Mark land on DJ Al? Uh-huh. That's my middle name. Okay. Oh, Mark Al. There he is. Well, there you go. Mark Al. Mark. I briefly did some radio, and I worked as Alan Marks. Alan Marks. All right. Mixing it up. Man, turning like a little turntable there. Like a little turntable. How about that? Mark, how do you- Work a work a what? Work a work a DJ Al. That's exactly right.

[00:05:09] How do you feel, Mark, about the Marvel topic? You feel good about it? My point of reference is probably that I worked in a bookstore, and we had comics. Okay. That's about it. All right. I feel like Mark has lived four or five lives. Do you know what I mean? Bookstore, radio, DJ. Have you seen a Marvel movie, though, Mark? Yeah. A few bits and pieces. My wife is more of a fan than I am. Okay. Interesting. All right. Well, let's see how that does it for you. Mark's going to be competing against caller number two.

[00:05:38] Caller number two, what's your name? Where are you from? My name is Megan, and I'm from Southern California. Southern California. Megan from SoCal. Now, Megan, some people say West Coast, Best Coast. Your thoughts on that? I mean, when we're not burning to the ground, it's green out here. Yeah. Fair enough. There is that. That's fair. Megan, I hear that you are a podcaster full-time. Like, you are a podcaster. That's what you are. Is that correct? That's accurate, yeah. Do you have a podcast name? Do you go by your middle name?

[00:06:08] DJ Meg? Yeah. No, we're not that clever over on our straight-up Megan. Fair enough. Fair enough. Straight-up Megan. How are you feeling, Megan, about the Marvel? Not great. I'll tell you that much. I have sat through a number of Marvel movies. Okay. And then I have teenagers. You say sat through, Megan. That does not inspire a lot of confidence that you care.

[00:06:33] I think that's the key word there because my level of attention might not offend at 100%. Well, it sounds like both of our contestants are maybe coming from a relatively even playing field here. Both of them are not mega fans. Not mega fans. So we'll see how it plays out. How much have they learned through just being alive and just hearing all of the buzz of Marvel? Experiential wisdom. I feel like just walking around you hear about Marvel. So I'm interested to see how this one goes, Dan.

[00:07:02] I love this, Brandon. We're going to get started with our first game, which is just some straight-up Marvel trivia. Marvel trivia! We brought that singer in just for this week. We're going to see if we keep him or not. All right. Here we go. The first question is going to be for Mark here in Marvel trivia. Mark, are you ready to play? Yes, sir. Here we go. Four of the five highest box office grossing Marvel movies of all time have the word Avengers in the title.

[00:07:28] The other film in the top five features Tom, Toby, and Andrew all playing the same hero attempting to save the multiverse. Okay. Is this movie A, Spider-Man No Way Home, B, Thor The Dark World, or C, Captain America Winter Soldier? Ooh. I'm leaning Spider-Man because I think we've seen different people play Spider-Man.

[00:07:57] Spider-Man No Way Home is correct. There you go. Pretty good thought process there. Even if you want a big fan, you at least have heard. Oh, there's another rock to not hear about somebody. There's a difference. Stay in the trailers. Yeah. There you go. All right, Megan. Mark has the early lead. You got a chance to tie it up. Here's your first question on who I went.

[00:08:17] Building the team of Avengers and connecting the MCU together took the work of this non-superhero director of S.H.I.E.L.D., played by Samuel L. Jackson in the films. Is it A, Nate Angry? B, Nick Fury? Or C, you got to stop laughing. My producer's laughing. I'm sorry. I'm going to read the responses again without laughing. Nate Angry. Shush. All right, here we go.

[00:08:46] Is it A, Nate Angry? B, Nick Fury? Or C, Neil Frenzy? Well, this one I actually know, and it's Nick Fury. All right. Are you sure it's not Neil Frenzy? I think it's Neil Frenzy. I mean, the choices were hard. It is Nick Fury. Here we go. And they're both on the board. Both on the board. Non-Marvel experts. Somehow they didn't get stumped with Nate Angry. All right. They're tied up.

[00:09:14] Next question here on Marvel Trivia, playing Who, What, When? South Carolina Public Radio's Hour of History, Games, and Trivia. Mark, here's your next question. Marvel Comics became so popular in the second half of the 20th century that many famous established professionals sought to work for them. Possibly none more surprising than this author of The Godfather. Wow. Who wanted to try his hand writing comics.

[00:09:38] Is that guy A, Mario Puzo, B, Terrence Winter, or C, Francis Ford Coppola? It is Mario Puzo. Oh, he said it confidently. He knew it out of the gate. He's like, Marvel, no. Godfather, yes. Well, this is interesting because if you remember, he did work in a bookstore. He worked in a bookstore. Something going on there, maybe. Mario Puzo did write The Godfather, and Mark is correct. There you go, Mark. These guys know they're Marvel. Perfect game so far. Barely Marvel. Perfect game so far. That's exactly right.

[00:10:08] All right, Megan, no pressure here, but perfect game is currently intact. Your next question here, doing some Marvel trivia. At some point in the history of comics, both Marvel and DC own trademarks on the term superhero. Oh, wow. Trademarks which have since been canceled by the U.S. Trademark Office.

[00:10:26] Marvel was never successful, however, in getting a trademark on this other term in 1973, which would have cost AMC a fortune for producing their hit comic TV show about the undead in the 2010s. Is that A, ghost? B, ghoul? C, zombie? I'm guessing the show they're referencing is The Walking Dead, and it's zombie? She is correct. It is zombie.

[00:10:55] Marvel tried to trademark zombie. How about Marvel out here trademarking zombie? All right. I mean, that's a move. That's a move. We tried to trademark the word what. It didn't go well for us. We tried our best here on who, what, when. I just found out Marvel tried to trademark the word fly. Apparently it didn't go well for them. Iron? We can't get iron? That's crazy. All right. Perfect game intact. It's two to two. Mark, the board is back to you. Here we go.

[00:11:19] The guy that directed Elf was also given the reins to the first MCU project, acting in and directing the first two Iron Man films, as well as continuing to appear in films as recently as 2024's Deadpool and Wolverine. Is that A, Jon Favreau, B, John Hughes, or C, John Dutton? Ooh. Wow. Jon Hughes or Jon Favreau?

[00:11:50] Favreau appears in movies. Jon Hughes does not. Jon Favreau's more of a comedy guy, though, isn't he? I don't know. Jon Favreau. I don't know Jon Favreau is correct. That's actually what we wrote down, too. That's what we wrote down. I don't know Jon Favreau. Mark is correct, Jon Favreau. He was an actor in Swingers and Rudy and a bunch of stuff, and now he's directed some of the biggest movies of all time. That's right. He directed the CGI Lion King. He directed the CGI Jungle Book.

[00:12:19] He directed two Iron Man movies. He's got a lot of very big box office hits. But Mark is right. He does love a good goof. He loves a good goof. He loves a good goof. That's correct, Mark. Mark, you're up three to two now. We go back to Megan to see if we can keep the perfect game rolling between these two non-mega Marvel fans. That's right. I told you it was going to be easier. They're doing great. They're doing great. Megan, the next question here in Marvel trivia is yours.

[00:12:44] While still woefully underrepresented, Marvel still holds the distinction of creating the first comic book with a leading black superhero. Originally introduced in the Fantastic Four series in 1966, this hero pioneered Needed Change well before its time and has stayed with us forever. Is that A, War Machine, B, Luke Cage, or C, Black Panther? Well, this may be where the streak ends.

[00:13:11] I know Black Panther is a Marvel superhero, but is it the right one? I mean, we're going to go with Black Panther. She's going to go with Black Panther. I ended the clue with forever because Wakanda forever. That's right. Oh, nice. Megan is correct. Black Panther is the correct answer. All the way back in 1966 when half of our country is still fighting integration. Very impressive. A great move by Marvel, and obviously we always want to see more of that, so that's awesome.

[00:13:40] Perfect game. Perfect game. Impressive. Mark and Megan out here saying they don't love Marvel. Perfect game. Mark, the board's back to you. It's three to three. Here's your next question here in Marvel trivia. The Marvel Cinematic Universe was launched with the unlikely choice of Iron Man, an arrogant narcissist weapons designer that realizes he's called to something greater. The title character was played by this actor whose real-life journey resembled the hero in more ways than one.

[00:14:07] Is that A, Chris Hemsworth, B, Robert Downey Jr., or C, Paul Rudd? It is Robert Downey Jr. It is Robert Downey Jr. without hesitation, and he is on the board again. Perfect game intact. Bran? Yeah. It's getting real. Yeah. It's getting real. And how about Robert Downey Jr.? He may have, spoiler alert, passed away as Iron Man, but he's back. He's back as a new superhero in a couple years. He's Doctor Doom. How about that? That's right. They said, let's just bring him back.

[00:14:35] He's so good, let's just do it again and act like it never happened. And if kids are listening, I'm sorry that Bran did ruin all of the Marvel movies for you by telling you what happened. Just beep all that out. It'll be great. Yeah, you'll read it eventually. Read a book. All right, it's four to three. Megan's got the board. The board, spoiler alert, if Bran's going to talk anymore. Megan's got the board. Here you go, Megan. Your next question here on Marvel Trivia.

[00:15:00] The backstory of this secretly deadly Avenger takes place in the Soviet Union, where young Natasha Romanoff was trained as an assassin before defecting and becoming an agent of S.H.I.E.L.D., as well as an eventual Avenger. Is that A, Hawkeye, B, Black Widow, or C, Scarlet Witch? I'm guessing secretly deadly is a glaring clue here.

[00:15:28] I think it's B, which I can't remember what it was. Black Widow? Black Widow. Yeah. Megan missed the forever clue, and she's like, I'm not missing another clue. That's right. She's like, wait, there's clues. Wait a minute. I got to listen? Black Widow is correct. Perfect game intact. We got two questions left in the round, Brian. Two questions left for Mark and Megan. Perfect game intact, four to four. Mark, your last question of the round starts right now.

[00:15:53] Which of the following is not one of the six Infinity Stones collected by Thanos? It got real in a hurry, didn't it? A, the Power Stone. B, the Spirit Stone. Or C, the Time Stone. Who is Thanos? I love it. Nine of these questions are so easy, and then this one's really hard. Yeah, yeah. Sorry. Okay. Power, Time.

[00:16:23] And Spirits. He's a bad guy. He's a bad guy. I'll give you that clue. Yeah, right, right, right. Spirit, I think. Spirit is not. Spirit is not. He's correct. There you go. He's correct. How about that? Mark, using some deductive reasoning to pull spirits. So no kidding. He's using his Rosetta Stone, I bet, to learn some marbles. How about that? It's unbelievable. The Power Stone. It's great. Power Stone, Time Stone. That's exactly right. Exactly right.

[00:16:52] Power Stone reminds me of the Power Team, the popular workout group that would come to churches in the 90s and rip up phone books. That's right. Very cool. Power Team. Shout out. Power Team. Shout out. All right, Megan, the last question of the round is yours. It's five to four. Your chance to tie things up here in Marvel Trivia. Your question. Throughout the Marvel Comics series, Ant-Man, Black Panther, Spider-Man, She-Hulk, and many

[00:17:18] others are recruited by this ragtag team led by Reed Richards featuring the Storm siblings and Ben Grimm. Is that A, the X-Men, B, the Justice League, or C, the Fantastic Four? Wow, wow, wow. Oh, Mike. Wow. I mean, all of those things exist. Yes, they sure do. I will give you that hint. And Iron Man's dead. Spoiler. Spoiler.

[00:17:48] I genuinely have no idea. Justice League, Fantastic Four, and what's my third option? X-Men. Oh. Oh. I don't know which one of those has anything to do with Marvel. Marvel, like Wolverine does a crossover situation. Yep. I'm going X-Men. I genuinely have no idea. She's going X-Men. You will reference, Megan, that I gave you four names in the question. Oh, yeah.

[00:18:17] And that was our little wink to say, Fantastic Four is the answer we were looking for there. But that's tough. If you don't know Marvel, that's a tough one. That's a tough one. This is Who What When? I'm Daniel Thompson here with my good buddy, Brandon Gray. That's right. We're turning our eyes to Marvel this week. We're talking about the comic books, the movies, and everything else that is a part of the

[00:18:44] pop culture icons that are the Marvel movies. Our contestants, Mark and Megan, are off to a good start. We're going to see how well they do in our next round. That's right. That's coming up after this break here on Who What When? Welcome back to Who What When? South Carolina Public Radio's Hour of History. Games and Trivia. I'm Daniel Thompson here with my good buddy, Brandon Gray. Hello.

[00:19:11] And today, we're playing games all about Marvel from the comic books to the MCU and so much more. I love it. Before we get back to our games, Dan, I want to remind the people one more time. We would love for you to be on a future episode of Who What When? We need contestants. This show doesn't work without them, Dan. All you got to do is call or text us, 803-470-6347. I'll wait. Okay.

[00:19:40] Or you can send an email. Who What When? At scpublicradio.org. Either way works, Dan. Let's see if anybody calls. That's right. We've got our contestants, Megan from Southern California and Mark from Greenville, South Carolina. Mark is currently ahead by one point, but Megan has a chance to take the lead in this next round. No cap, brother. No cap. That's what the kids were saying about five or six years ago. As a person in his early 30s, I think I'm still a part of the youth. Sure. If you will. No cap. If you say so.

[00:20:09] The youth, including Bran, I guess, are using the phrase no cap when something is true. And when something is a lie, you say cap. You say cap. That's right. And no cap in that definition. All right. Here's what we're going to do just to show you exactly how old we are. Oh, whoa, whoa. Don't lump me in. I'm a youth. Okay. I'm a youth. Okay, youth Bran. All right. Here's what we're going to do to show you how old I am. Thank you. We're going to really get confusing with this next game, which we're calling Cap or No Cap because it's all about the cap, Captain America.

[00:20:38] That famous Avenger himself. In the MCU, the Captain America persona was first given to Steve Rogers, played by Chris Evans. More recently, Anthony Mackie's character, Sam Wilson, has taken up the mantle. I saw it. I liked it. Yeah. No matter who has the name, Captain America is a natural leader and is prone to giving inspirational speeches. He's the one that says Avengers Assemble. That's right. And in this game, Bran is going to give us dramatic readings of some speeches from various

[00:21:07] Marvel movies and Mark and Meg are going to have to tell us whether these were lines spoken by Captain America or not by Captain America. And here's the good news, Dan. You get a 50% chance of getting this right. We already got the 50-50 lifeline for you ready to go, cap or no cap. And if you do guess correctly, we're going to give you a bonus point if you can name which movie from the MCU it came from. Bran, you got your acting chops ready to go? I'm ready to go, buddy. I'm always ready for a little cap or no cap. You know that about me. I do know that about you.

[00:21:36] Mark, you're up first in this round. Bran, take it away. The price of freedom is high. It's always been high. And it's a price I'm willing to pay. And if I'm the only one, then so be it. But I'm willing to bet I'm not. Chills. Goosebumps. Chills. Mark, is that cap or no cap? I'm going cap. He's going cap and he is correct. Whoa. Oh.

[00:22:05] That is Captain America. Any, you want to take a guess at what movie that's from? Captain America. I'm going to need you to be more specific. There's a lot of Captain America. Captain America 1. Captain America 1. I would not have accepted, but it's wrong anyway. Hey, I appreciate Mark Trossel. Give me one. Give me the original. That's from Captain America, the Winter Soldier. Captain America, the Winter Soldier. Duh. But you are on the board. Megan, the board is now yours.

[00:22:35] A chance to maybe tie it if you get both right. We're playing cap or no cap. Bran, take it away. Everybody wants a happy ending, right? But it doesn't always roll that way. Maybe this time. I'm hoping if you play this back, it's in celebration. I hope families are reunited. I hope we get it back and something like a normal version of this planet has been restored. If there ever was such a thing, God, what a world. All right, Megan. Is that cap or no cap?

[00:23:05] I mean, I'm trying really hard to read into Bran's choices. Accent. I wouldn't do that if I were you. I wouldn't do that. There is a superhero that sounds like that guy. I'm going to go cap. She's going to go cap. She's incorrect. She's incorrect. No cap. We're looking for no cap. And we were looking for, this is also a bit of a spoiler, Iron Man. Okay. From Avengers Endgame. And this is the video he plays, since Bran already spoiled it, after his death.

[00:23:33] That's why it says, if you play this back, it's in celebration. So that was Iron Man from Avengers Endgame. But still anybody's game. Long way to go. A lot of points out there. Yeah. A lot of points out there. Mark, it's back to you playing cap or no cap. Bran, take it away. You know, the last time I was in Germany and saw a man standing above everybody else, we ended up disagreeing. All right. That's the entire quote, Mark. What do you think? No cap.

[00:24:02] He's going no cap. That is Captain America. Wow. Classic, classic Captain America fighting the Nazis there. And that is from the Avengers. How about that? From the Avengers. So, door creaks back open for Megan. We're going back to her. We're playing cap or no cap. Bran is reading quotes from Marvel movies. And our callers have to decide if they are from Captain America or not. Bran, take it away. My faith is in people. Individuals.

[00:24:32] And I'm happy to say that for the most part, they haven't let me down. Which is why I can't let them down either. I wish we agreed on the accords. I really do. I know you're doing what you believe in. And that's all any of us can do. That's all any of us should do. What a read. Thanks, guys. What a read. Wow. He believed in those accords so strongly. I love an accord. Megan. Crushing it.

[00:25:02] Megan, what do you think? They're cap or no cap? I mean, I'm going to go back to my tried and true cap here. She's going to go back to cap and she's going to be correct. Okay. She's going to be correct. Tried and true. Like the reliable Honda Accord. That's exactly right. Shout out. Shout out. That is cap. Any guess at what movie that is from? I feel like it's one of the ones where the Avengers are fighting with each other. Very good context clues. Civil War movie? Is that a title that I just made up? Nope. That's a title that is correct. Whoa!

[00:25:32] Civil War is correct. What a pull by Megan from SoCal. And it's tied up. Don't call it a comeback. Oh, my goodness. Six to six here on who, what, when. What a game. Couple of great players here. Mark, all of a sudden, comfy lead goes to real pressure. We're playing cap or no cap. Bran, take it away. Do you know what is the greatest gift anyone can receive in this lifetime?

[00:25:59] The greatest gift we can receive is to have the chance, just once in our lives, to make a difference. Do you understand how many times you made a difference? Enough for a hundred lifetimes. Cap or no cap, Mark? Hmm. I'm going cap. He's going cap. He's incorrect. Wow. We're looking for Doctor Strange. That's a really tough one. That was a tough one. It was all the lifetimes. Yeah.

[00:26:29] Because Doctor Strange has the ability to go through different and- Great point. He gives that speech about, I looked at all the different versions. I kind of always forget he exists, to be honest with you. Yeah. I love the first Doctor Strange movie. I really like him, but I just always forget about him. Underrated movie. All right. All of a sudden, with a mere three questions left, Megan from SoCal has found herself tied up with the board. How about that? Megan, are you ready for your next question here on cap or no cap? I'm ready. Hit it, Bram.

[00:26:57] Five years ago, we lost. We lost friends. We lost family. We lost a part of ourselves. Today, we have a chance to take it all back. You know your teams. You know your missions. Get the stones. Get them back. One round trip each. No mistakes. No do-overs. Be careful. Look out for each other. This is the fight of our lives.

[00:27:26] And we're going to win whatever it takes. Powerful stuff there. Thank you. Powerful stuff. You're welcome. Megan, what are you thinking? I mean, I can envision the scene. They're going to time travel, get the stones. I don't know who gives the speech, but it could be cap. Let's go cap. Let's go cap. She's correct. And that means, Megan, if you can envision the scene, can you envision the movie this is from? I think it's Avengers Endgame.

[00:27:54] Avengers Endgame is correct. Holy moly. She sat through them from SoCal, missed several in a row, acted like she didn't know Marvel, and then all of a sudden, wow. Yeah. Wow, wow. All right. Mark, the pressure's now on. This is a big deal. It's a big deal. It's a big deal. All right. Whenever you're ready, Brian, cap or no cap. Win the mob. Sorry. Sorry, Mark. I'm sorry. Here we go. Here we go.

[00:28:21] When the mob and the press and the whole world tells you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth and tell the whole world, no, you move. Man, what a read. What a read. Mark, what are you thinking? Yeah, well done. Thank you. That one was rather succinct. No cap. No cap. He's going no cap. That is Captain America. Oh, my God. Captain America from Civil War.

[00:28:51] Wow. The tables have turned. They sure have. All right. The last question for Megan in the round. Megan, cap or no cap, Brian, take it away. This is why you were chosen. Because a strong man who has known power all his life will lose respect for that power. But a weak man knows the value of strength and knows compassion. Megan, cap or no cap? Let's go cap. Cap is incorrect.

[00:29:18] We're looking for no cap Dr. Abraham Erskine. Wow. In the Captain America, the First Avenger talking to Captain America. How about that? Now, Megan, you did miss that one. But that's the end of the round. And I've got eight to six. Megan is our Who, What, Win champion of the week. How about that? Moving to the final round playing for a Who, What, Win fanny pack. Incredible. Incredible. But I would be remiss if I didn't ask Mark. Mark, how are you feeling right now? This is a tough blow, I imagine. Well, I told you I didn't watch the movie.

[00:29:47] So here we are, right? Here we are. It's all right. Mark, you crushed me. Well done, Megan. This is Who, Win. I'm Brandon Gray. I'm here with my friend and co-host, Daniel Thompson. Our contestant, Megan, has come out on top after the first two rounds of this episode all about Marvel. No cap there, Bran. She'll be heading to our final game today for a chance to take home a Who, What, Win fanny pack.

[00:30:16] But first, we're going to speak to a local educator and comic book expert about the history of Marvel. I can't wait. That's coming up after this break here on Who, What, Win. Welcome back to Who, What, Win, an hour of history games and trivia right here on South Carolina Public Radio. I'm Brandon Gray. And I'm Daniel Thompson.

[00:30:41] We're talking about the multiverse of Marvel this week from comic books to the popular MCU, Marvel Cinematic Universe. That's right. And we're going to get back to our games in just a few minutes. But first, we wanted to speak with a bona fide comic book expert in this week's educator spotlight. We do this occasionally, Dan, where we bring in an educator who is an expert in the field in which we're discussing today. It's Marvel. So joining us now is Dr. Julie Davis, who is the associate professor of communication at the College of Charleston.

[00:31:11] Julie, welcome to Who, What, Win. Thank you. I'm looking forward to it. Julie, we're looking forward to talking with you all about Marvel. And I got to make sure I get this right. You specialize in research about comics and superheroes and even teach a class all about comic books and American culture. Please tell me a little bit about that class and how comics became just so popular last century. Well, the class is Comics in American Culture is part of the college's first year experience

[00:31:37] program, which are a group of different kinds of classes that are designed to help introduce incoming freshmen to college level work. So we try to take some of the less exciting how to do college level work stuff and couch it in more interesting topics. For instance, my class is essentially a textual analysis class. Their major project is they have to pick some kind of comic.

[00:32:07] And I have had students do everything from newspaper strips to manga and anime to superheroes to memoirs. If you name it, somebody has probably written about it. And then talk a little bit about how that particular comic set of comics, whatever it is, fits in with some of the more theoretical topics we talk about with comics. What genre is it?

[00:32:35] How does it show representation? Is it a superhero, even though it might not be labeled as a superhero? That kind of thing. Very interesting. Fascinating. Now, when we think about Marvel, oftentimes like Dan and I, we think about the movies that we've seen. Obviously, a very long history of comics before then. Even before becoming Marvel, there was Timely Comics in 1939. Can you tell us a bit about the creation of Timely Comics and how it kind of transitioned to Marvel and when that all happened?

[00:33:04] Like you said, Timely Comics started in 1939 with Martin Goodman. In fact, the very first Timely Comics was called Marvel Comics number one and has a cover date, which isn't always the actual publication date. It can get interesting sometimes of October of 1939. What's interesting about that particular book is that it includes a character we actually saw in the most recent Black Panther movie. And that was Namor the Submariner. Wow.

[00:33:33] I mean, so he's been around from the beginning. It also included a character who is not the guy we know with this name, but has the same name. It included the Human Torch. But this isn't the Chris Evans member of the Fantastic Four. This was a different character who was some kind of android. I'm not sure why they gave two people the same name, unless it was some misguided effort to confuse everyone. In that case, it worked great. Yeah. Seems like it worked like a champ.

[00:34:00] Now, Julie, the comic books have a storied history. What made them mainstream as far as in this particular century is the Marvel Cinematic Universe. I mean, Iron Man, Jon Favreau, Kevin Feige. That's why it's just blown up. How does Marvel, as a comic book company, transition to other forms of media and get the ball rolling to get us to what we have now? Well, they've been doing this for a long time.

[00:34:27] Marvel started with animated comics in the mid-60s. In fact, that's really how I became interested in comics with Spider-Man and his amazing friends in the 70s. And some of those actual shows, the amazing Spider-Man, Incredible Hulk TV shows, which I think probably everyone would like to forget existed at the time, except for maybe Lou Ferrigno, who has still made a career off of that.

[00:34:55] So this isn't anything new. Marvel in the 21st century really hit the ground running with the X-Men movies that Fox produced back in 2001. And then Iron Man started in 2008. And the MCU has pretty much gone on from there. Now, Marvel, like they're silly, right? You got the big, you got the good guys fighting the bad guys. And you often don't think of it being like this, you know, we're going to handle heavy issues.

[00:35:23] But in the 40s, you had Captain America fighting literal Nazis, punching Adolf Hitler in the face. What was it about what was going on in that time that made Marvel go, you know what? We're going to tackle real life issues and kind of work them into our comics. That's one of the ways that Marvel differed from some of its major competitors, what the Marvel folks used to call the distinguished competition over at DC, which is that Marvel was always much more realistic.

[00:35:52] The characters were more complex and nuanced. They had flaws. I mean, Peter Parker was a nerdy kid who couldn't get a girl. And then he became the probably one of the most popular superheroes ever. They also exist in the real world where DC's characters are in Gotham or Metropolis. Marvel, most of Marvel characters are running around New York in different areas, different sections. The X-Men are out in Westchester, New York.

[00:36:22] So they've always been a lot more based in reality. I read a quote the other day that talked about how in the 1960s there were more communists or in the 1950s there were more communists in the pages of Marvel Comics than there were on the distribution list. Some of the communist, the American Communist Party literature. So it was really interesting that they've always been interested in doing this. And it wasn't just in the 1940s. You're right.

[00:36:51] Captain America was fighting Nazis before the U.S. did. I think that first Captain America issue in 1941 came out in May and the U.S. didn't enter the war until December. So it started early. But it didn't stop in the 40s. If you read the X-Men in the 60s, that was really a fairly thinly veiled version of the civil rights movement. It always included these issues. So you mentioned DC.

[00:37:20] Do you dabble in the DC and other comics or are you strictly a Marvel person? And the second part of that question is, who is your favorite Marvel character? With DC, I am more of the film rather than the comics and the animated as well. I also liked the Justice League when I was little. The Wonder Twin Powers activate. Of course. You can tell I'm a child of the 70s. So I know who the DC folks are. I know the major ones.

[00:37:49] I have a brief understanding of the history. I am much more familiar with their live action and animated than I am with their actual paper or, in this case, online comic books. My favorite Marvel character is easily Captain America. I don't know why. I like that he is a genuinely good guy trying to do good things.

[00:38:16] And that's what makes Marvel heroes so interesting is they do have their flaws. They have their foibles. The Marvel age started in 1961 with the Fantastic Four, which in a lot of ways broke a lot of the rules of superheroes. They didn't have secret identities. An actual monster was one of the heroes with the thing. They're a family who bickered and argued and had petty disagreements and major disagreements.

[00:38:45] And that's just the way people actually operate. Life is. So I guess I do like Captain America being a little more, not one note, because he faces a lot of hard decisions and has to figure out what he thinks is the right thing to do. But I do like that he sticks with it once he does that. We talked a little bit during the intro of this episode about how kind of got burnt out on Marvel movies.

[00:39:13] It felt like there were so many coming out. And then the Avenger movies happened, then Endgame. And now we're kind of in this like weird zone of Marvel movies where they don't quite get the buzz that they were getting when the Avengers were going on. Do you feel like Marvel movies are on their way out? Do you feel like there's a new wave that we're going to begin to ride with these new heroes that we're meeting? Or what are your thoughts on kind of where Marvel and the cinematic universe is currently?

[00:39:42] It is an interesting transition point. A lot of the characters that we grew up with are starting to fade from the Marvel universe. I mean, they've killed off a couple. Nobody's really sure where old Steve Rogers is at the moment. So Marvel is trying to introduce a lot of the more secondary characters that people are not familiar with. I certainly hope it's not dying out. I love these movies.

[00:40:10] I think they will get a new influx of characters and that people are familiar with now that Disney has bought Fox and is able to introduce the mutant first. Because prior to that purchase, anything with a mutant gene was off limits because Fox owned the rights to those characters and Marvel couldn't use them. Now, as we saw with Deadpool and Wolverine, it's fair game.

[00:40:40] So I'm thinking that bringing in some of those more well-known X-Men will also help as well as the introduction of some of the sidekicks or smaller characters that we have seen in some of the other movies, which is going to become apparent in Thunderbolts. Yes. Yeah. And the good news is if they don't work, they can just do it all over again. Yeah. Reboot. Let's just go back. Julia.

[00:41:06] That is the wonder of comics and comic movies is that Marvel has said that I think there were only two deaths that in the entire universe that they couldn't undo. And then they figured out a way to undo one. You can always change this around. Julia, I have to ask you this as someone that loved the comics growing up. So I know X-Men existed. The Sam Raimi Spider-Man movies existed.

[00:41:32] But when you saw what happened with Iron Man and then you heard Kevin Feige start to wax poetic about we have a phase one and Avengers and we're going to bring them all. Like what was that like experiencing not only the success of Iron Man, but the idea that someone had a plan in place to not just present to you a comic book movie in a vacuum, but to present the whole world. What was that like as that unfolded?

[00:41:59] Can you just walk me through how you were feeling and like how much of an event those movies were for you? I was excited. I was very excited because I've always kind of been a bit of a sci-fi nerd. I'm also a Star Wars fan. Love it. And interestingly enough, George Lucas kept the Star Wars universe incredibly tightly connected. The books were all part of the same universe. The movies were all part of the same universe.

[00:42:26] I think I'm one of the few people who actually remember seeing the Christmas special and it was it might have not been connected. But I told you I'm a child of the 70s. We'll give you a break on the holiday special.

[00:42:39] I really liked how everything fit together and it all advanced the story, whether it was talking about Han and Leia's kids or talking about the death of Chewbacca in one of the big hardback novels. It all just fit together. And I really enjoyed that. So the idea that that was going to happen with Marvel as well excited me, trying to keep everything straight. It's a challenge.

[00:43:08] And that's a challenge Marvel has had. And part of the reason they retcon and create new editions is because when you're looking at stories that have gone on pretty continuously since the 1940s, or even with some of the more popular superheroes, like the Spider-Man was 1963, the X-Men were, I think, the late 60s. And then they were not exactly rebooted, but they brought in the all new X-Men in 1985.

[00:43:36] Trying to figure out how to maintain consistency or continuity, which is a big thing in the comic book world, as I'm sure you know, is almost impossible. So I was excited to see how they were going to pull that off and a little bit nervous, too. Julie, this has been a really wonderful conversation about Marvel. And we've really enjoyed you sharing your expertise. At the end of the day, this is a quiz show. It's a quiz show. We do quizzes here on who, what, when. And we would like to play a little game with you if you're open to it.

[00:44:04] It's a little marvelous before and after. Nicely done, Brian. So here's how this is going to work. I'm going to read you some clues combining Marvel characters with things from popular culture to create something completely new. You just have to tell us what this combination would be called. For example, add regeneration powers to this 1968 zombie horror movie by George A. Romero, and it becomes Wade Wilson, a.k.a. the Merc with the Mouth, famously portrayed by Ryan Reynolds. You would get Night of the Living Deadpool.

[00:44:35] Yes. That's how that's going to work. Are you ready to play? I'm willing to give it a shot, yes. I love it. That's all I need to hear. Here we go. Your first question here on Marvelous Before and After. Add some Dungeons and Dragons references, and this Sorcerer Supreme and primary protector of Earth against mystical threats becomes a Netflix show set in the 1980s following a ragtag group of friends fighting monsters and the Upside Down. Dr. Stranger thing.

[00:45:05] Look at this. She sounded like she didn't want to. Look, she's crushing it. She was unsure, and now she's confident. Oh, yeah. She's crushing it. Don't get cocky, though, Julie. Don't get cocky. Don't get cocky. You just happened to find, again, hit two of my different nerd buddies. There you go. It's one of those things when I realized that the kids in Stranger Thing were about in the same grade I was. Oh, wow. That's awesome. How many monsters did you fight, Julie, growing up? Any? More than I wanted to.

[00:45:36] All right. Your next question here on Marvelous Before and After. Add a sense of exploration to this metallic-skinned humanoid who boards through the universe searching for planets for Galacticus to consume, and he becomes a Portuguese explorer who attempted to circumnavigate the world in the name of Spain and has a strait named after it. Somehow we're trying to put together, I think, the Silver Surfer and Magellan. That's right. And I'm just not seeing how we're going to do it.

[00:46:03] We're looking for Silver Surfer Ferdinand Magellan. There it is. She knew both sides of it, too. Yeah. I did. I did. I did not make the connection. All right. Let's see if this hits any nerd buttons. Next here on Marvelous Before and After.

[00:46:18] One ring to rule them all, and Clint Barton, a.k.a. this famous archer member of the Avengers, played by Jeremy Renner, becomes the fiery, lidless representation of the Dark Lord of Mordor, sat high atop the Tower of Barad-d-Durr. Okay. That is not one of my nerd buttons, unfortunately. It is Hawkeye. The Hawkeye of something. You're so close. The Hawkeye of Sauron. That was a tough one. That's a tough one. You wouldn't have gotten that one.

[00:46:48] No, I wouldn't have gotten that one, but AT's over there going nuts. Yeah, our producer wrote that one. Producer AT is going nuts. He loves it. Next here on Marvelous Before and After. Add heightened abilities to this game that gives you the option to either speak honestly or complete a challenge, and it becomes the blind superhero alter ego of Matt Murdock, who protects Hell's Kitchen. Truth or Daredevil. Truth or Daredevil. She's back. There it is. She's back. I am back. Yes. I like that. I like it. I like that.

[00:47:15] Julie Davis is an associate professor on communication at the College of Charleston who specializes in comic books. Julie, thank you so much for chatting with us on this Marvel edition of Who What When? Well, thank you for having me. It was a lot of fun.

[00:47:44] You're listening to Who What When? South Carolina Public Radio's hour of history, games, and trivia. I'm Daniel Thompson. And I'm Brandon Gray. We're discussing Marvel this week, and today's show has been kind of a rollercoaster ride, just like a movie from the MCU. Despite saying that she doesn't know anything about Marvel, our contestant Megan has made it through the first two rounds and now has a chance to reach in-game, if you will, and take home a famous Who What When? and fanny pack.

[00:48:13] A fanny pack you could store your Infinity Stones in. Oh, my gosh. And all Meg has to do to secure this bag is make it through our final round today. It's a game we're calling Marvel 50-50. Marvel 50-50. Here's how the game's going to work, Meg. Dan is going to give you two facts about characters from Marvel Comics. Both of them will sound outrageous, but one of them is actually true.

[00:48:41] Tell us which one is real, and you will score yourself a point. You're going to need four points to win Marvel 50-50 in that fanny pack. Four for the fanny. All right, Meg, your first set of facts are about Captain America and his origins. No cap. Here are your two options. Captain America originally did not have his trademark shield, or Captain America was not an original member of the Avengers. Wow. I can't imagine either one of those not being true.

[00:49:09] They both seem like they have to be alive, but one of them is actually true. Which one of those is true? I'm going to go with Captain America did not have his trademark shield. She is incorrect. Yeah. Cap has always had his shield. Always had his shield. Not an original member of the Avengers. The original Avengers in the comic books were a bunch of people that really aren't the original Avengers in the movies by and large.

[00:49:37] It's Hulk, Ant-Man, Wasp, Iron Man, and Thor. Wow. Captain America joined a few issues later, but the original comic did not have Hawkeye, Black Widow, but did have Ant-Man and Wasp, didn't have Cap. So that's a tough one. That's a really tough one. That's okay. You can't have Cap without his shield, though. All you've got to do, you can't have Cap without his shield. They both sound like you can't do it. Can't have Avengers without Cap, though. It just feels wrong. All right, here we go. We're ready for our next one. You can back on the board right here, but just back on track. Here we go.

[00:50:06] This one's about Wolverine. Okay. Wolverine was originally supposed to be metal-looking, made completely of adamantium and silver on the outside. Or Wolverine was originally supposed to be a tiny Canadian man. I don't even know what that means. A small, diminutive man from Canada. That is the second one. Megan, which is it? There's no way.

[00:50:32] The Canadian one sounds insane, but also, no. It has to be that he was going to be metal. It's actually the Canadian one. No! So Wolverines are small creatures. They're small animals. And so the original version of Wolverine, Marvel editor-in-chief at the time, Roy Thomas, asked writer Lynn Wayne to create a character named Wolverine who was, and I quote,

[00:50:59] a Canadian man of small stature with a Wolverine's fierce temper. That was the original plan for Wolverine. These are really hard. I'm afraid of a tiny Canadian. I know. Tiny Canadians. It's actually why Ryan Reynolds wanted to work with him so bad. That's right. That's right. It's a Canada joke, everybody. You nailed it. It's really good. Shout out to Canada. Great white horse. Shout out. Your next question here on Marvel 50-50 is about the Incredible Hulk. Oh, yeah.

[00:51:25] The Incredible Hulk was originally gray, not green, or the Incredible Hulk was originally designed to push kids to eat their veggies. Oh, heck yeah. Which one was it? I'm going to go with, the Hulk has to be green. I'm going to go with veggies. Oh, sweet Megan. I'm wrong. Again. The Hulk was originally gray, not green. Stan Lee. You may have heard of Stan Lee. First mentioned on this episode. Shout out. Shout out.

[00:51:54] Wanted the Hulk to be gray. But when they printed the original issue with Hulk in it, there were ink issues during the printing. And so the only way to make it all work was for Hulk to be green. Later in the comics, they actually create versions of Bruce Banner's subconscious named Savage Hulk and Gray Hulk to pay homage to the fact that the Incredible Hulk was supposed to be gray, not green. Isn't that crazy? That is crazy to me. So crazy.

[00:52:23] At least you know I'm not cheating. Well, can you imagine the Wolverine being some scrappy 5'6 Canadian dude? Hey, Gray Hulk, get over here. And then the Hulk is gray, like he's just depressed. Yeah. That's wild. All right. It's getting serious. We still need four correct. So one of these two mythological fairy tale creatures has actually appeared in a storyline in Marvel Comics. Is it Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy?

[00:52:53] Which one of those two has been included in a Marvel comic? Santa Claus seems more mainstream. I mean, my first guess has been wrong every time, but I'm going to go through. Santa Claus is correct. Oh, thank God. She's on the board. Santa Claus is correct. We all breathe a collective sigh of relief. Santa Claus is correct. Talk about this comic with Santa. You're not going to believe this, Brian. This is in Earth 42409. One of my favorites. Santa Claus finds out that his reindeer are secretly Skrulls.

[00:53:23] Do I know what Skrulls are? I don't, but they're bad. Sounds bad. Santa must borrow the Infinity Gauntlet from the Illuminati. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. So that he can deliver all of his toys on time. Now, the gauntlet makes him go full villain. It's like the ring in Lord of the Rings. And then the Illuminati has to defeat Santa. So the Illuminati is like pretty dope. Kind of becomes the good guy in this. The Illuminati is dope in Earth 42409. That's a real Marvel comic. I'm going to track that one down.

[00:53:53] Megan knew that. Megan knew that one. Megan knew that clear as crystal. So if those of you were confused, Megan did know the Illuminati one. Megan, you're on the board. The fanny pack's still within reach. There we go. We're playing a little Marvel 50-50. Let's keep this thing rolling. Brian, I don't know why I kicked it to you. Got to be straight honest. How you doing, brother? I'm doing great. How about you? Let me take this one. Are you ready? This next one is about Spider-Man. Are you ready, Megan? Yeah. Uh-huh.

[00:54:20] Spider-Man was originally a mutant team member of the X-Men, or Spider-Man was originally unpopular and almost shelved for good by Stan Lee. I mean, it seems like it could have been one of the X-Men because he gets bitten by that spider. He's a mutant. Uh-huh. Oh, God. Let's go with that. Let's go with X-Men. Megan, that's incorrect. Spider-Man was originally almost shelved by Stan Lee. In fact, Lee had a hard time selling the idea of Spider-Man in general.

[00:54:49] It was originally rejected by Marvel editor-in-chief Martin Goodman. Then a comic in 1962 called Amazing Fantasy No. 15 showcased Spidey's origin story. Ah. And it became such a big hit with comic book fans that now Spider-Man is probably the most beloved, for kids anyway, comic book hero in the Marvel universe. All right. These are all must-haves, Megan. Here we go. It's getting real. But if there's one thing I've learned about you, Megan, it's that you can pull things out on the back end. That's right.

[00:55:18] You can always try to figure out a way to win on the back. So close to losing. I think, Megan, this is when she really shines. Here we go. This one's about Thor, and I'm so excited to give this to you. There is a frog version of Thor called Throg. Yeah. There's a gecko version of Thor called Theko. If it's not the frog, I am hanging up. Throg is correct. Yes.

[00:55:45] There is a frog version of Thor called Throg in a series of comics known as The Pet Avengers, some of which have been made into a feature film by WB, the DC superhero pets, which is a different thing. Yes, superhero pets. Pet superheroes. A man named Walterson is cursed to turn into a frog, finds himself in the middle of a war between frogs and rats. He wins the war, takes the title of Throg, and has Thor's electric blasting abilities. Throg. Gotta be honest. We're looking for Throg, not Thecko, though. Would watch a Thecko. I don't hate either one of these, to be honest with you.

[00:56:15] I think both of them are pretty fun. I had to choose between Thecko and Thizard there, and that was tough. Thizard was another good one. All right. Megan, you're still alive. You got a chance to win that fanny pack. It's crunch time. We're all cheering for you, Megan. We're playing Marvel 50-50. This is about Venom. Oh. Venom. Venom was created by a fan of Marvel Comics during a contest done by Marvel. Okay.

[00:56:41] Or Venom's backstory originally included a love of musical theater. Let's go with the fan contest. Let's go with the fan contest. I wish that Venom loved you. Can you imagine Venom doing his thing, attaching to a host body, and then just being like, I dreamed a dream of life coming by. I'm going to lay mass. Man. Man. Man. It is Venom was created by a fan. She's, listen, it's happening again. This is happening.

[00:57:11] It's happening again. You got this. That's right. Randy Shuler entered a contest put on by Marvel in 1982. Shut up. You're going to love this story, Brian. In 1982, he did the black suit design as well as the basic story of Venom being like this alter ego kind of black Spider-Man. One, Marvel editor-in-chief at the time, Jim Shooter, purchased the design from Randy for a cool $220. Oh, Randy! Randy! $220.

[00:57:40] The add a zero challenge doesn't even work there. You got to add so many zeros. 220 is what they bought Venom for from old Randy. So Venom was created by a fan, not by anyone in-house at Marvel. All right. Let me set the stage for you, Brian. Okay. Megan has been down all game. All game. And she has come back every segment. And now, with an exclusive Who Won't Win Fanny Packer on the line, we have one question left,

[00:58:06] one opportunity, one shot to seize everything you ever wanted to put in that fanny pack. I'm so nervous. It's Marvel 50-50. And this is also a question of which of these surprise guests did appear in a Marvel comic. Here we go. Is it the Trix cereal rabbit? Or the Kool-Aid man? Oh, yeah. The Trix cereal rabbit? Or the Kool-Aid man? Oh, yeah. Oh, my gosh.

[00:58:35] I have no faith in my ability to reason through these answers anymore. I mean, the Kool-Aid man seems more mainstream. Like, you bust through walls. Let's go Kool-Aid for the fanny pack. She went Kool-Aid man. Our producer, AT, just jumped out of his chair fist pumping because somehow Megan got three in a row. She did it again. So, win the fanny pack. Oh, Megan. She did it. Megan from SoCal.

[00:59:03] Just when you think she's gone, just when you think she's out, we pull her back in. And I like that thought process there. The Kool-Aid man, he run through walls. He run through. You want him on your team. Yeah. Marvel had a comic series called Adventures of Kool-Aid Man. Where, you're going to love this, he fought villains known as the Thirsties. Oh, no. He fought villains known as the Thirsties, as well as one big bad villain named Scorch. Oh. Who was a man engulfed in flames. Sure. Yeah, that's right.

[00:59:32] Scorch and the Thirsties, I saw them live. That's a different conversation. Really good show, though. But what's important right now is this Who It Win has been one for the books. Megan from SoCal is our Who It Win champion of the week. Amazing. She also has won herself a Who It Win fanny pack. Megan, congratulations. I can't wait to walk my dog with my brand new fanny pack. Oh, it's going to be wonderful. It's going to be wonderful. And you'll have to take pictures and tag us on social media so that everybody knows to be jealous of your Who It Win throwback.

[01:00:02] Megan, thanks for playing Who It Win. Thank you for having me. It was humbling. And that'll do it for this marvelous edition of Who It Win. Thanks again to our contestants, Megan and Mark, for playing with us today. And another congratulations to Meg for taking home the title of Who It Win champion of the week. Our producer is A.T.

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