Pascale Hutton (When Calls the Heart)

[00:00:00] Hi, I'm Brandon. I love Hallmark movies. I'm Dan and I despise Hallmark movies. I'm Pascal

[00:00:11] and I am in Hallmark movies. And this is the Deck The Hallmark Podcast. Deck The Hallmark

[00:00:16] It's this podcast.

[00:00:32] Wow, boy. It's exciting. That's a big day, Brian. Big day. Big day. Big day. Big day. We get requested

[00:00:41] a lot of people to come on this show. Yeah, like they're all just champing at the bit to

[00:00:45] come on the show. But we get requests. A lot of people. One person that we get requested

[00:00:51] not just during cause of art season, but every time she makes a movie. Yeah, Pascal Hauden

[00:00:55] and she's here right now today. Wow. Pascal, welcome to Deck The Hallmark. Thank you. Thank

[00:01:01] you. You finally wore me down. That's right. Years of return letters. Yes. We write handwritten

[00:01:07] letters. People don't know that. It's actually a middle finger stamp. You just stamped

[00:01:11] on them and you sent them right back. So thanks. Thank you. It's just persistence pays off

[00:01:17] here is what it is. You know what? My stamp just wore out at me. So here we are. Well,

[00:01:23] yeah, and you're from Canada. It would be impolite to not respond. So instead you

[00:01:26] just did the show. That's basically what happened. Great. However, however it works

[00:01:30] out great fine by me. We're happy to be here regardless. Pascal, we always like

[00:01:35] to start at the beginning. Like not of time. Thoughts on the creation. Do you have a creation

[00:01:43] theory? This is intelligent design. And after after you give us that answer, tell us about

[00:01:50] your childhood where you were born. What you were into as a kid and kind of when

[00:01:54] the first time you you thought acting seems like fun. Oh, okay. So I'm going to skip

[00:02:03] the beginning of time. That feels like that's going to take up the whole

[00:02:05] point. It's a gotcha question. Really good job. That was a question you skipped it.

[00:02:12] So yeah, so I grew up in I was born in Creston, BC, which is a small, small town

[00:02:18] in Canada and grew up there like born raised there. And my parents were hippies

[00:02:28] and they it was like a lot of free time, free space, like let your imagination run

[00:02:36] wild. And so I feel like if I really think about where it started, that's

[00:02:41] probably where it started. I had a very vivid and avid imagination and imaginary

[00:02:48] world. And I was the youngest two. And so my sisters were quite a bit older.

[00:02:53] Like one was nine years older than me. One was four years older than me. So

[00:02:56] they were off and out of the house and in school. And I felt jealous that they

[00:03:01] would come home from school and they'd have so many stories of what had happened.

[00:03:04] And so I would just make up my day, like I would have my own adventures. And then

[00:03:08] I would tell everybody, oh, this is what I did in my imaginary school and with

[00:03:12] my imaginary friends. And that's kind of where it started. But my mom was

[00:03:15] also really theatrical. So she didn't work for the first eight or nine

[00:03:21] years of my life. But then when she was she was a teacher and when she

[00:03:25] went back to work, she was a drama teacher. And so she was just always putting

[00:03:29] on plays. She would gather for all the kids in the neighborhood and we put on

[00:03:33] a circus or she would like write a play and we put it on for Christmas or

[00:03:37] on the weekend. Like it was just always integrated into my childhood and

[00:03:43] just how we worked as a family. And so the idea of performance just was

[00:03:48] really natural. But I grew up in a small town. Like the idea that this

[00:03:53] was a profession that people even had. It honestly just didn't even occur to me.

[00:03:58] It was so out of my realm, like I just it just didn't even happen. And then it

[00:04:05] wasn't until I got to high school and then I a new drama teacher moved into

[00:04:09] town and she was like, I think you should do it. Like I think you should

[00:04:13] go for it for real. And then that's when I started thinking about it.

[00:04:17] I went to university and studied acting. I did a like a conservatory

[00:04:21] program. And again, it was all theater based. And so I hadn't thought to do

[00:04:26] any film and TV. Again, that was just even one step further outside. And so

[00:04:32] then when I graduated from university, an agent saw me perform and she

[00:04:38] wanted to represent me. And she just started sending me out for little

[00:04:42] things. And I started booking things. And then I ended up finding my way

[00:04:47] to Vancouver and working more and more in film and TV to the point where it

[00:04:51] kind of just took over instead of theater.

[00:04:55] So so many things that so many questions, but no, I love it's a great

[00:04:59] answer. So you you were had a very free flowing creative childhood where

[00:05:05] pretty much you could do what you wanted. And I like I had a pretty

[00:05:10] concerned like fairly conservative childhood. Whereas like when I got to

[00:05:13] college, I immediately was like, where are all these R rated movies I was

[00:05:15] missing out on growing up? Did you leave your home and go to university and

[00:05:20] just crave structure? Or were you just always just like a go with the flow

[00:05:24] like whatever's fine. And that really served you and you never really

[00:05:28] changed change course there.

[00:05:31] I think in my core, I am a more structured person. But I because

[00:05:39] my whole foundation was not very structured like just so much free

[00:05:45] space, free time that I think it kind of changed. I mean, obviously, I

[00:05:50] must have something that I like about that because I did end up choosing

[00:05:54] to become an actor with like no structure in your life almost. And

[00:05:59] so I feel like there's something about me that that must feel familiar and

[00:06:03] might must feel comfortable even though I think it's not really who I

[00:06:08] am. I think like I try and put structure in but it just doesn't ever

[00:06:13] make me some pretty big life choices that go against that.

[00:06:16] Okay, fair. I like that as a as a parent. Do you find yourself

[00:06:22] doing what your parents did to you and just being like just do

[00:06:25] the thing or do you find yourself make up school? You don't have to go

[00:06:28] just pretend it. Yeah.

[00:06:29] I would say I mean, I live in a city and so there's a certain

[00:06:38] element of structure that a city imposes I think. So I but I would

[00:06:45] say I'm pretty free flowing with my parenting like I always one of

[00:06:51] my main goals was wanting my kids to be able to independent play.

[00:06:56] And so now my kids are quite independent. They always have been

[00:07:00] and right from like really, really little they would be like,

[00:07:03] I'm gonna have some alone time. Just like leaving me. I'm doing

[00:07:07] my own thing. And so and I always was like, amazing. I back right

[00:07:11] off. Whereas I think like some parents are like, Oh, but I want

[00:07:14] to get involved. Like I want to do it. And I was like the

[00:07:16] second they would give me the go ahead of like, I'm good. I

[00:07:19] want to be I'd be like, amazing or if they were playing

[00:07:22] with something and they were engaged, I just step away so

[00:07:25] that they could just I just love the idea of losing yourself in

[00:07:31] whatever your form of play is. And I think that that's amazing.

[00:07:35] And so I like that for my kids. Yeah, for sure.

[00:07:38] I love that. I love that a lot as somebody who has two kids

[00:07:42] now I think I when you when you

[00:07:46] first introduced the puppy means

[00:07:55] this this is actually not even my dog. It's my dog. She's such a

[00:08:01] lover and a kisser. Very excited to see you. Wow. Sweet.

[00:08:07] Lay at my feet. But today she's like, just like, that's right.

[00:08:10] She's like, you guys, she's like, let me get it. Yeah, we

[00:08:14] have that effect. There she goes. Look at the

[00:08:18] you're you're fine. Yeah, don't worry about it. Not a bit. So

[00:08:21] you take off on this acting journey. I clearly your parents

[00:08:25] are going to be supportive. It sounds like that was the home

[00:08:28] you grew up in. At what point did it go from I booked a gig?

[00:08:32] I still got a bartender wait tables or rely on my parents

[00:08:36] or whatever you did for money. And what point did it go

[00:08:38] from that to this? This is it like this is what was the

[00:08:43] was there a specific gig or moment in your life where you

[00:08:45] were like, this is it I make a living acting like I am an actor.

[00:08:53] I think it was a bit of a leap of faith. I think I did I was

[00:08:58] waitressing when I first graduated when when I first

[00:09:01] graduated from university ended up getting a few theater

[00:09:04] gigs and film film gigs that kind of patched together

[00:09:07] something for the first year. And then and then I I was

[00:09:12] like, Oh my gosh, I'm doing this like it's happening. And then

[00:09:16] I didn't save up anything for my taxes that year. And I was

[00:09:20] like, Oh no, like what I just hadn't occurred to me that in

[00:09:25] Canada they don't take it off right away. And so I hadn't

[00:09:29] saved anything. So I was okay, I need to get a job. So I

[00:09:34] was waitressing for a very short time and then I just

[00:09:37] was like, I had managed to squirrel away enough money

[00:09:41] through waitressing and a few like a day player role here or

[00:09:45] maybe like a couple days on this, I patched together enough

[00:09:48] money that I was like, I'm just taking a leap of faith. And

[00:09:53] I'm quitting the job and I'm going to go for it. And then

[00:09:58] I went down to LA with this little savings and for pilot

[00:10:04] season back when they used to do pilot season. And I

[00:10:08] ended up booking a pilot and made like a big amount of

[00:10:14] money. Well for me at the time it felt like a huge amount of

[00:10:16] money. And then I was like, Oh, I'm I've made it. It's

[00:10:21] happening. And then I got fired. Like what? Well, I did the

[00:10:25] pilot, I did the pilot, the pilot got picked up and they

[00:10:28] did not pick up my contract. So yeah, yeah, so I was

[00:10:33] devastated. I was devastated but literally like a month

[00:10:37] later, another TV series that had shot a pilot and was

[00:10:41] picked up to series. They had a girl that they didn't pick

[00:10:44] up her contract and they cast me in that role. So it was

[00:10:46] like, I got dropped from a show and then I got picked up

[00:10:51] by a show that was dealing with the exact same situation.

[00:10:54] And it was from that moment I had enough episodes with

[00:10:57] that show that like I think we did 10 episodes or

[00:11:01] something and then the show didn't go beyond that.

[00:11:04] But after doing 10 episodes, I was like, I basically had

[00:11:07] enough money to maneuver myself and and. So can you

[00:11:11] do you mind telling me the show that got picked up? Was

[00:11:14] it did it become something that then did not renew your

[00:11:17] contract? Did that show become something? The one

[00:11:19] the one that they didn't pick up my contract for?

[00:11:21] Do you remember that? It never it never aired. It

[00:11:23] never aired. Yeah, it never aired. It was but it was

[00:11:26] called the singles table but it was some good people

[00:11:28] in it. Like, you know, John Cho. Yes. He yeah. So he was

[00:11:34] in it and then do you know Ray Seacorn? She's better

[00:11:38] called Saul. She's amazing. Yeah. Yeah. So she was in

[00:11:41] it as well and then I was in it. It was almost like

[00:11:44] friends had just ended and then I think every

[00:11:47] network was clamoring to put forward a half hour

[00:11:53] friends basically and this was I think the show

[00:11:56] I think it was for NBC and I think they put this

[00:11:59] this was the one that they were trying to put forward

[00:12:01] and then they didn't end up being well. I think we

[00:12:03] know I did. Yeah, I just serves them right. I

[00:12:04] guess what I pretty clear. Yeah, drop me right

[00:12:07] so that it's pretty clear. Um was the transition

[00:12:12] from stage to screen? Was that a a hard

[00:12:17] transition? How did you kind of prepare yourself

[00:12:20] when you finally end up moving to LA? Did you

[00:12:23] do anything to kind of prepare for hey, this is

[00:12:25] how you act in front of the screen versus on

[00:12:27] stage or is that just something you kind of figure

[00:12:29] out as you go? I mean a lot of it is you figure

[00:12:32] it out as you go but what I will say what the

[00:12:37] theater program that I did um there were a few

[00:12:40] of us. There was a handful of us that all moved

[00:12:42] from where we did the theater program to

[00:12:44] Vancouver and we hadn't known each other. We

[00:12:46] were all in different years of the theater

[00:12:49] program but we all then moved here and then

[00:12:51] we had this connection if we had all gone

[00:12:53] through this same academy like or whatever

[00:12:57] conservatory. So we ended up connecting in

[00:13:00] Vancouver and we decided we were like well

[00:13:03] we're all here and we're all trying to get

[00:13:06] work, like trying to get auditions and

[00:13:08] trying to get work so we would meet every

[00:13:10] Sunday, every Sunday night and we would

[00:13:13] bring in it started with we would

[00:13:15] bring in our our auditions and then

[00:13:17] we would bring in scenes that we were

[00:13:19] just interested in doing that we had

[00:13:22] found from film and TV and then it just

[00:13:24] kept on evolving we were like oh let's

[00:13:26] bring in like some of the best scenes from

[00:13:28] films that we've ever seen and then it was

[00:13:31] like let's start writing our own scenes

[00:13:33] and do those and so and we would film

[00:13:36] them and then at the so we would all

[00:13:37] bring a scene we'd all film it and

[00:13:40] then kind of audition style where like

[00:13:42] the camera is just on you basically

[00:13:44] like this shot that you've got right

[00:13:45] now and and then at the end of it

[00:13:48] we would at the end of the night we

[00:13:49] would sit down and we would watch it

[00:13:50] all and we would then like

[00:13:56] I mean it sounds now when I'm saying it

[00:13:58] it sounds terrible but we would kind of

[00:13:59] like give constructive criticism and

[00:14:04] yeah I mean it sounds sort of like

[00:14:05] everybody watches you and judges you

[00:14:07] while you sit there but I think because

[00:14:09] we all came from the same school we

[00:14:11] all had the same language around

[00:14:14] around acting and so it did feel very

[00:14:16] constructive and it was like oh

[00:14:18] some of it was really practical like

[00:14:20] so when like you're moving your face

[00:14:23] like this if you're talking to two

[00:14:25] people in a scene it just looks crazy

[00:14:26] like you got to put your two people

[00:14:28] here and here so you're just going

[00:14:30] like this and for an audition that you

[00:14:32] know what I mean little things like

[00:14:33] that that we were figuring out and

[00:14:35] specifically we're figuring it out for

[00:14:38] booking the audition I mean that's

[00:14:39] the first hoop you got to jump through

[00:14:41] is you got to get the job so we were

[00:14:44] really trying to focus in on how do

[00:14:46] we audition effectively for film and

[00:14:48] TV this may be a little bit before

[00:14:49] that but you did do what I'm starting

[00:14:52] to call the Canadian circuit of TV

[00:14:54] shows that are really big here in the

[00:14:55] United States some smallville psych

[00:14:59] supernatural dead zone like you all

[00:15:01] those film up there and most actors

[00:15:04] we have on from Canada usually pop

[00:15:06] into those shows early on in their

[00:15:07] career is there I would love I mean

[00:15:10] I've seen you know I think we all

[00:15:12] have one of those that we love

[00:15:14] but is there one that sticks out to

[00:15:15] you you're on all those sets

[00:15:17] everybody's doing their best obviously

[00:15:18] I'm not asking you to talk bad about

[00:15:20] anybody but is there one that sticks

[00:15:21] out to you as being a memorable

[00:15:22] experience I did really love working

[00:15:25] on smallville first off I got to play

[00:15:28] somebody from Krypton and so I had

[00:15:30] superpowers so that was really fun

[00:15:32] I'd never done that before and there

[00:15:34] was like a whole they it was I

[00:15:35] think I was appearing my character

[00:15:37] came in in season seven and so

[00:15:40] it was a real well well oiled

[00:15:42] machine by the time I got on and

[00:15:44] so they had all these tricks of

[00:15:46] how to do like the really fast

[00:15:47] running or the really fun things

[00:15:51] like that and a lot of my stuff was

[00:15:53] with Superman Tom Welling and so

[00:15:55] he and I got along really well he

[00:15:57] um I was it was one of those shows

[00:16:00] like a CW show that the hours were

[00:16:04] long like long long days and so

[00:16:07] there was one day where it was a

[00:16:09] really long day and I went back to

[00:16:10] my trailer and I was actually taking

[00:16:12] a little nap and then Tom sent

[00:16:17] they used this this it doesn't really

[00:16:18] happen so much anymore but at that

[00:16:21] era on film sets after lunch this is

[00:16:24] so so great silly it's really silly

[00:16:28] but they would bring around like a

[00:16:30] candy and chocolate tray for people

[00:16:34] so crazy so budget cuts those

[00:16:39] old Hollywood 1940s Pascal you look

[00:16:41] great I know I know no more kings

[00:16:44] but they did bring the candy and

[00:16:47] chocolate and so I was sleeping I

[00:16:49] missed it so Tom came to my trailer

[00:16:52] and he brought me a score bar and I

[00:16:54] was so groggy I got the score bar and

[00:16:57] I just without thinking I just like

[00:16:59] ate the entire score bar in like three

[00:17:02] bites and then I was like I woke up

[00:17:04] and I thought what just happened

[00:17:05] because I think I went straight back

[00:17:07] to sleep I was like did I just eat

[00:17:09] a whole scoreboard like while I

[00:17:11] was what happened how about

[00:17:14] but that was a fun set I like Tom

[00:17:16] Welling the lead of smallville just

[00:17:18] bring it around I was gonna want this

[00:17:19] the chocolate tray he's gonna want this

[00:17:21] that's this guy I know we just got

[00:17:25] done with the strike and we don't need

[00:17:27] to do another one but if there is one

[00:17:29] in the future bring back chocolate I

[00:17:30] think that chocolate tray yes I think

[00:17:32] that should at least be on the list

[00:17:33] we don't like I know we're finally

[00:17:35] a lot of the after to strike over

[00:17:37] chocolate but if you're doing an AI

[00:17:40] thing if it comes up just tack that

[00:17:42] right on there yeah

[00:17:43] chocolate trace you I think that should

[00:17:45] be yeah I'm back you know it was a real

[00:17:48] morale boost people really got boosted

[00:17:51] up by this chocolate I mean come on

[00:17:53] it's the first I've heard of it this

[00:17:54] sounds wonderful we actually are gonna

[00:17:56] start that in the office chocolate

[00:17:57] train the office for all we already do

[00:17:59] pop start o'clock we might as well do

[00:18:00] chocolate right we might as well do

[00:18:02] chocolate

[00:18:12] I was gonna say I do have another

[00:18:14] question Pascal and I know that you

[00:18:17] think you're here to talk to us about

[00:18:19] Hallmark and when calls the heart but

[00:18:21] we did bring you under false

[00:18:22] pretenses you were in a little movie

[00:18:24] called cats and dogs revenge of

[00:18:26] kitty galore and in this essay I will

[00:18:30] I have I would love to hear all

[00:18:33] about it at what point in this movie

[00:18:35] do you do you we had Kimberly Susted

[00:18:37] on and she was in one of the air

[00:18:38] bud movies and you're on all buddies

[00:18:42] air buddies yeah yeah the little pop

[00:18:44] little pops yeah you're in all these

[00:18:45] movies where you're supposed to be

[00:18:47] procedural taken seriously or these

[00:18:48] TV shows and then you're on a movie

[00:18:51] it's a cats and dogs sequel it's going

[00:18:52] to the theaters it's going to be in

[00:18:54] 3d now do you just like was there a

[00:18:57] moment where you just looking around

[00:18:58] going what what is happening right now

[00:19:03] did you watch it no no no no

[00:19:06] okay I haven't watched it either but

[00:19:10] um it uh I my part was so removed from

[00:19:15] so much of the movie that I I mean I think

[00:19:19] I'm only in like two scenes in the

[00:19:22] whole movie and it was um it was with

[00:19:26] the main guy uh I'm just blanking on

[00:19:29] his name right now but anyway or cat

[00:19:32] it's a Chris O'Donnell Chris O'Donnell

[00:19:35] Chris O'Donnell and and so it was really

[00:19:38] it just sort of seemed like any other

[00:19:40] acting job we were just in at a barbecue

[00:19:43] and like I was playing his wife and so

[00:19:45] I didn't get to partake in all the

[00:19:48] animal shenanigans and so I feel like

[00:19:51] there's a real big component of that

[00:19:53] movie that I don't I don't know what

[00:19:55] that experience was like that stings

[00:19:57] I mean you missed out on the whole

[00:19:59] galore all of it and I just found out

[00:20:02] the kid kiddie galore is played by

[00:20:04] bet middler guys bet middler voices

[00:20:08] kitty galore so you know what so my

[00:20:10] husband just recently pulled this up

[00:20:12] because I don't know why it came up in

[00:20:14] conversation he was you didn't ever

[00:20:16] even watch that movie I said no I

[00:20:17] didn't and he pulled it up and he

[00:20:19] was like did you know all these

[00:20:21] famous people were in it it's quite

[00:20:23] the class actually like it's not just

[00:20:25] that middler it goes on and on like

[00:20:27] it was jacquard rayer james marzden

[00:20:30] nick nulty christina applegate cat

[00:20:32] williams neil patrick harris shawna

[00:20:34] haze wallis shawna roger moore out of

[00:20:38] curiosity holy cow what does cat williams

[00:20:40] do cat or dog he's gotta be cat you

[00:20:43] would think i don't know i don't want to

[00:20:45] put him i think we should do a watch

[00:20:47] along with cast cow cast and dogs are

[00:20:49] a representative kitty galore i think

[00:20:50] yeah cats and dogs watch alone

[00:20:52] pass go hunting yeah i love this

[00:20:55] this is a great idea

[00:20:56] i love this right i mean she's in she

[00:20:59] said it'll be brand new from that commitment

[00:21:01] she is in she is clearly out of

[00:21:03] vank in that stamp she is in it's

[00:21:05] fantastic

[00:21:07] i love that you um your your i'm to be

[00:21:10] is chock full of of goodies and lots of

[00:21:14] fun tv shows kitties and dogs and also

[00:21:16] some really awesome tv shows

[00:21:19] um for that for that first batch of

[00:21:22] your career like before hallmark

[00:21:24] um what what like what was it like i know

[00:21:27] that sounds like a a very broad question

[00:21:31] but was it like now that you have one

[00:21:34] calls to heart it's like i got one calls

[00:21:35] to heart it's great i do this every

[00:21:37] year it's a it's a it's a gig that i

[00:21:38] get to count on for that first

[00:21:41] batch where it's kind of like here's

[00:21:42] a few episodes here here's a movie

[00:21:43] here's a thing uh was it stressful was

[00:21:46] it like i'm living the dream like

[00:21:48] where were you kind of at as an

[00:21:50] actor uh and how you were feeling

[00:21:54] i think i just felt like i was in the

[00:21:56] machine i was just in the scene i was

[00:21:58] just taking every audition i could get

[00:22:00] because i felt like no matter what the

[00:22:03] audition was or what the part was i

[00:22:05] was going to learn from it and so i

[00:22:07] was in i think a very um kind of

[00:22:10] tenacious time of being an actor and

[00:22:15] trying to build my build my resume

[00:22:17] meet as many people uh directors crew

[00:22:22] other actors as possible because i felt

[00:22:25] like every single time i was just

[00:22:26] learning so much and just taking it all

[00:22:28] in

[00:22:29] and so i was just trying to i was just

[00:22:30] honestly trying to work as much as

[00:22:32] possible because and on whatever came

[00:22:35] my way that's why you i don't think

[00:22:37] you see much strategy and in the first

[00:22:41] half of my career in terms of what i

[00:22:43] was doing because i was really just

[00:22:44] trying to get experience and and i

[00:22:47] felt like any experience good or bad

[00:22:49] was going to teach me a whole lot is

[00:22:51] there one uh bit of advice that you got

[00:22:55] early on from somebody in the

[00:22:57] business that you've kind of kept with

[00:22:58] you or maybe passed on to other people

[00:23:01] that you've worked with well i got

[00:23:04] asked early on to do a show that was

[00:23:06] going to mean i was going to be a

[00:23:09] topless part and my my agent and a

[00:23:13] friend of mine at the time was we're

[00:23:15] like absolutely not from this point on

[00:23:19] if you do it every time somebody

[00:23:21] googles your name that will be what comes

[00:23:22] up and i was like yeah that's right i don't

[00:23:26] want that i don't want that connection

[00:23:28] to myself and so past it was a great

[00:23:30] piece of it wow what can you tell us

[00:23:32] what show it is uh it was um shoot i

[00:23:39] don't really uh i could look it up

[00:23:41] i i feel

[00:23:44] you know what it was a movie it was a

[00:23:46] feature film but it was it was one of

[00:23:49] these movies i felt like came out a lot

[00:23:51] in the in the in the early 2000s where

[00:23:56] there was like a central male character

[00:23:59] and then there was just a string of

[00:24:01] girls going through it that for like no

[00:24:03] other purpose other than to be eye

[00:24:07] candy and to serve his storyline and

[00:24:11] and so i mean there was no deeper purpose

[00:24:14] to the nudity that was for sure and but

[00:24:17] it was like it was a big feature film

[00:24:20] i think there was somebody of name in

[00:24:21] the main part and it was going to be a

[00:24:24] scene with that person and so you could

[00:24:25] see when you're young like oh this

[00:24:27] might be yeah like this there's an

[00:24:31] allure because it's on a bigger scale

[00:24:33] than you've maybe worked before but

[00:24:36] it's like a bigger scale and like maybe

[00:24:38] more exposure than you really want to put

[00:24:40] out there great that's great as somebody

[00:24:42] who's been shirtless on this show i

[00:24:44] wish someone gave me that advice um for

[00:24:47] me before that happened before you did

[00:24:48] a weight I didn't know that this show

[00:24:50] this show goes that doesn't well we had

[00:24:53] Tyler Hines on and he took his shirt

[00:24:55] off to try to get Tyler Hines to take

[00:24:57] his shirt off and i'm sorry if you

[00:24:58] want to hang up right now it was a

[00:24:59] ratings get and which we got did it

[00:25:02] work no it didn't thanks for asking

[00:25:05] we had an ad it was right before the

[00:25:07] break pass guy you have to hear this he

[00:25:09] takes his shirt off and he's so proud

[00:25:11] of himself and then we go to a break

[00:25:13] and the ad he has to read is for noom

[00:25:15] weight loss and he's reading it

[00:25:19] shirtless on camera an iconic moment

[00:25:23] an iconic moment in deck the hallmark

[00:25:25] history one one one for the one for

[00:25:27] the history books that's right

[00:25:29] actually for the history books and

[00:25:30] for google and for google and for google

[00:25:33] so that's what we google about the

[00:25:35] brain and gray deck the hallmark

[00:25:36] shirtless is the thing we get most i hate

[00:25:38] to say i think it would pop up i think

[00:25:39] probably pop up yeah um pass go you've

[00:25:43] been making hallmark movies by imdb's

[00:25:45] count for a decade now you've had a

[00:25:47] relationship with them for a decade

[00:25:49] uh the first one i have here is recipe

[00:25:51] for love sometimes imdb is wrong is that

[00:25:53] correct i think that was the first

[00:25:57] one yeah i i didn't have a very big

[00:25:59] part i think it was a small part but

[00:26:00] yeah i think that was the first one

[00:26:01] so you get like and we we hear this

[00:26:04] from most people we have on but what

[00:26:06] hallmark does is they they usually get

[00:26:08] people in the door and then they just

[00:26:09] have a don't be a don't be a terrible

[00:26:11] person rule and if you're a great

[00:26:13] person and a good actor they they kind

[00:26:16] of work you up the ladder and the

[00:26:17] better you are the further they'll

[00:26:18] continue to offer you and and so this

[00:26:21] was your opportunity to do something

[00:26:23] for hallmark it clearly went well do

[00:26:25] you remember how that door opened

[00:26:27] specifically or was it just like a

[00:26:28] regular old audition it was just a

[00:26:31] regular old audition i just went in i

[00:26:34] don't even think i knew that it was for

[00:26:35] hallmark at the time like i just i just

[00:26:37] went in and did the audition and book

[00:26:39] the part and at the time i was on a

[00:26:41] different tv series actually i was on

[00:26:43] a canadian tv series called art to care

[00:26:45] and so i was doing that and it was

[00:26:48] just we were in the hiatus and so i

[00:26:49] just uh auditioned booked that part

[00:26:53] and then i went back to art to care

[00:26:54] like i went back we did three seasons

[00:26:56] so i was just i went back to that

[00:26:57] show and i was i hallmark wasn't

[00:26:59] really on my radar at that particular

[00:27:01] time

[00:27:02] i have to ask what's art to care

[00:27:05] it what's it about what's it about what's

[00:27:07] it was uh it was about a airline in in

[00:27:12] uh northwest territories uh that uh

[00:27:16] it didn't actually exist but it was

[00:27:18] yeah so it was a drama that was kind

[00:27:19] of like an action drama like

[00:27:21] the what the pilots have to do up

[00:27:24] there even if it's just like if it's

[00:27:27] an airline that is transporting

[00:27:29] passengers it's not just transporting

[00:27:31] passengers there's a lot of crazy

[00:27:33] flying that has to happen to get to all

[00:27:35] the rural and remote locations there

[00:27:40] and they often are having to like land

[00:27:42] on the water or land on ice and there's

[00:27:44] some like these crazy planes like that

[00:27:47] are tanks that they use and so it was

[00:27:50] an air it was a it was a store it was

[00:27:52] a tv show about that airline and like

[00:27:56] it was a father daughter who ran the

[00:27:58] airline so me the father and me that

[00:28:00] ran the airline and then it was kind of

[00:28:02] like about the other characters

[00:28:04] pilots admin mechanics who work at that

[00:28:07] airline and kind of like what life was

[00:28:09] like what life is like living up in

[00:28:12] those uh that environment at the

[00:28:16] time see it was on cbc which is the

[00:28:18] canadian broadcaster and so cbc

[00:28:21] really had a mandate at the time that

[00:28:23] they wanted to create content that

[00:28:26] highlighted the diverse uh

[00:28:29] landscape of canadian like canada and

[00:28:33] canadian culture and so this was one of

[00:28:37] their shows that they launched to kind

[00:28:38] of highlight northern canada wow there

[00:28:42] you have it flying planes up in the

[00:28:44] northwestern territories i love that

[00:28:46] and see it coming makes sense though it

[00:28:48] does make sense it sounds like something

[00:28:49] that leon nison could have been in

[00:28:50] maybe arctic air yeah well he's in

[00:28:53] that that ice truck yeah like somebody

[00:28:55] murdered somebody in his family and

[00:28:56] he has to fly through arctic air to

[00:28:58] get him i love it yeah he didn't he didn't

[00:29:01] get the memo to come on to our show

[00:29:03] so he had to do that truck movie instead

[00:29:06] that for him truck it's just i wish he

[00:29:08] had a career i like the truck movie

[00:29:09] though of course you like i love leon

[00:29:11] nison yeah i know you got a favorite

[00:29:13] leon nison movie rapid fire is not

[00:29:16] yeah i probably do yeah i probably do

[00:29:18] the one where he's like i have a

[00:29:21] specific set of yeah yeah taken come

[00:29:24] on that's the best taken is your first

[00:29:26] lead in a hallmark movie my one and

[00:29:28] only with sam page is that correct

[00:29:31] no no i did uh two uh both with cavin

[00:29:36] we did perfect bride and then a sequel

[00:29:38] to perfect right okay so you work with

[00:29:40] cavin first okay those aren't even in

[00:29:42] here for some reason i knew about you

[00:29:43] had me at aloha but oh perfect bride

[00:29:45] here it is two episodes it's marked as

[00:29:47] a tv show that was the thing oh yeah

[00:29:50] no it was a movie and so um yeah that

[00:29:53] was those were the first two

[00:29:57] let me think did you say first hallmark

[00:30:01] movies as a lead is that what you're

[00:30:02] yes yeah yeah those were those were

[00:30:05] there yeah and then you did the next

[00:30:07] one you did was you had me at aloha so

[00:30:09] like he like i will get to win cause

[00:30:11] aren't shortly but you and cavin clearly

[00:30:13] like don't mind each other's company

[00:30:15] you know you're not bothering each

[00:30:16] other on set too much

[00:30:19] i love him i love him he's one of my

[00:30:21] best friends i love and viv last week

[00:30:23] was talking about how you and cavin

[00:30:26] kind of talked to him and explained

[00:30:28] like how you two have made movies

[00:30:30] together and how that how that worked

[00:30:32] which is really cool did how did those

[00:30:35] movies come to be for you guys uh like

[00:30:39] that's a pretty unique i think the first

[00:30:43] movie uh hallmark had been talking to

[00:30:47] us for a while about creating something

[00:30:49] or doing something with the two of

[00:30:51] us and then the first perfect bride

[00:30:53] movie was directed by martin wood who

[00:30:55] um we had both worked with and he

[00:30:58] directed a ton of stuff for hallmark

[00:31:00] and so he was like i think this is

[00:31:03] this is the one this is a good one for

[00:31:05] the two of you

[00:31:06] so he pitched it or i i think that's

[00:31:09] how it came about and they all came

[00:31:11] to us and said do you guys want to do

[00:31:12] this we said yes it was a big hit

[00:31:14] and so then we cavin and i developed

[00:31:19] the idea for a sequel um together

[00:31:22] with rick garmin who's the writer

[00:31:24] and so the three of us kind of got

[00:31:25] together and um as is often the case

[00:31:29] cavin and i get together a lot and we'll

[00:31:31] have lunch we'll have coffee and we like

[00:31:33] kind of brainstorm ideas we brainstormed

[00:31:35] a few we brought them to rick the three

[00:31:39] of us fleshed them out together and

[00:31:41] then we pitched it we pitched it to

[00:31:43] hallmark they liked the idea at the

[00:31:44] time they were really into doing sequels

[00:31:46] is that you probably people have talked

[00:31:48] about this there's kind of waves where

[00:31:49] like they're really into doing sequels

[00:31:50] and then not so into sequels

[00:31:52] this was at the peak of sequels so they

[00:31:55] were keen to do a sequel to it

[00:31:57] so uh that so we did that one and then

[00:32:01] and then we both did other a few other

[00:32:04] movies with other people i think

[00:32:05] and then but we came up with this idea

[00:32:08] for you had me at aloha and that

[00:32:09] actually came from we mark wood that

[00:32:13] that director that i was saying he had

[00:32:14] done a movie for hallmark and filmed

[00:32:17] it in fiji and we were so jealous

[00:32:18] we were like what a movie in fiji we

[00:32:21] want to do a movie in fiji so we came

[00:32:23] up with the idea for a movie

[00:32:25] basically just as a way to like shoot

[00:32:27] a movie in fiji which it didn't end up

[00:32:30] being fiji because fiji actually had

[00:32:32] a bunch of uh logistical issues uh

[00:32:35] just because of the time change like

[00:32:37] it's very difficult to film in fiji

[00:32:39] it's so remote like having meetings and

[00:32:41] any correspondence with people who

[00:32:43] are in la or in vikoover or wherever

[00:32:46] is very challenging so they were like

[00:32:48] we don't want to do fiji again we

[00:32:49] went on this big long journey of trying

[00:32:52] to find the right destination with the

[00:32:53] right um kind of spots that we were

[00:32:57] going to be highlighting and uh then

[00:33:00] ultimately then the pandemic hit and it

[00:33:03] was it was it was really then it that

[00:33:06] narrowed our scope quite a bit and then

[00:33:09] i think i can't remember it was a

[00:33:10] decision between two places and one

[00:33:12] of them was hawaii and we were just

[00:33:14] like let's do hawaii i think it's

[00:33:16] going to be the easiest one because

[00:33:17] it already has a whole infrastructure in

[00:33:19] place for film and tv we figured we

[00:33:21] could probably get in there a little bit

[00:33:23] more easily than getting into other

[00:33:25] countries because we filmed it in 2021

[00:33:28] so it was still COVID fresh like

[00:33:31] there was still a lot of a lot of rules

[00:33:35] and regulations and protocols that we

[00:33:36] had to follow and even to just get

[00:33:38] into hawaii it was tricky to get out

[00:33:40] of hawaii it was tricky to get back

[00:33:42] into canada with a whole situation

[00:33:45] and so we figured that that would be

[00:33:47] maybe the easiest place that would

[00:33:49] still offer us the same uh locations

[00:33:54] and visual kind of spectacle that we

[00:33:57] wanted in our movie and so that's how

[00:33:59] you had me at aloha came about is

[00:34:01] hallmark the only place that you've

[00:34:04] like been a part of pitching stuff too

[00:34:06] and has it always been with cabin or

[00:34:08] have you kind of been developing

[00:34:10] ideas for a while and it just so

[00:34:12] happens that hallmark's been a safe

[00:34:13] place for that uh it really just it

[00:34:17] kind of fell into our lap and cabin

[00:34:19] and i will say he's like the person i

[00:34:24] creatively connect with the most like

[00:34:27] it's just very easy it's seamless we've

[00:34:29] got a real shorthand together

[00:34:32] it goes really smoothly between the

[00:34:34] two of us and so that seemed very

[00:34:36] natural for the two of us to just

[00:34:39] pitch things together we like working

[00:34:41] together in terms of development but we

[00:34:43] also like working together on camera

[00:34:45] and then they were open to it like a lot

[00:34:48] of other

[00:34:49] networks are not open to taking calls

[00:34:53] from random actors who are like hey

[00:34:55] i've got an idea like they and so we

[00:34:58] were we just considered it really

[00:35:00] lucky that hallmark was open to

[00:35:04] hearing our ideas and having that

[00:35:06] conversation that's great i've got

[00:35:08] one more question then we can talk

[00:35:09] about when calls the heart you were in a

[00:35:11] movie called we wish you a married

[00:35:12] christmas with christopher pilaha

[00:35:15] you are basic it's like a cameo you

[00:35:17] you're a therapist but it's a very

[00:35:20] important role in this movie and we see

[00:35:23] cameos like in hallmark it's pretty

[00:35:26] common now for people to pop up yeah

[00:35:29] and they usually like the exception

[00:35:31] has been airs who takes them who

[00:35:32] like always is crafting a character

[00:35:34] but everybody else like pops up and

[00:35:36] isn't

[00:35:36] but this role in this movie like needed

[00:35:39] something

[00:35:39] and you you crushed it like you're really

[00:35:42] good in it like

[00:35:43] what is it like oh what does it take to

[00:35:46] know that you're you might have been

[00:35:47] doing it as a favor you might have been

[00:35:48] doing it because yeah i'll just come to

[00:35:50] a day on this or whatever

[00:35:51] but it seemed like it got as much of

[00:35:54] your attention because i want to

[00:35:55] talk about uh rosemary the character

[00:35:57] rosemary that is like so far removed

[00:35:59] from what you are

[00:36:00] like i want to talk about that

[00:36:01] momentarily but to have the just the

[00:36:04] stick to it is to go no this is

[00:36:06] this is my time i can go in there and

[00:36:08] just be Pascal for a day

[00:36:10] and and and ask the questions or

[00:36:12] i could actually like really dive in and

[00:36:14] craft something and i'm so happy you

[00:36:16] chose the latter

[00:36:17] is there anything special that went

[00:36:19] into that or am i just making it out

[00:36:20] to be more than it is

[00:36:23] no no um so the producer on that

[00:36:26] movie was Jen Aspen and so Jen Aspen

[00:36:29] produced you had me at aloha but she

[00:36:31] also

[00:36:31] she also was uh my best friend and you

[00:36:35] had me at aloha she's an actress who's

[00:36:36] now turned into a producer

[00:36:38] amazing producer but she's a phenomenal

[00:36:41] actor she's so hilarious so funny

[00:36:44] and so she phoned me up and she said

[00:36:48] hallmark is starting to do these cameos

[00:36:49] because that was also kind of at the

[00:36:51] beginning stages of the cameo

[00:36:53] and so she said hallmark starting to

[00:36:55] do these cameos i really like you

[00:36:57] to come on and do this

[00:36:59] um i think you could do something

[00:37:01] really fun with it

[00:37:03] and so i set you to her because i

[00:37:06] really love her and i love working with

[00:37:09] her

[00:37:10] and so then i got this and oh she sent me

[00:37:13] the scene and i was like okay this is a

[00:37:14] good scene

[00:37:15] and i prepared it honestly i did

[00:37:18] prepare it kind of straight i and

[00:37:21] that which isn't really my natural

[00:37:23] instinct

[00:37:24] i tend to try and always do something

[00:37:29] unpredictable like that's my

[00:37:31] that's what i'm attempting to do just

[00:37:33] because i think that that's interesting

[00:37:34] as an actor

[00:37:36] and so uh but i kind of just prepared it

[00:37:38] straight and wasn't sure what they were

[00:37:40] going to want me to do with it because

[00:37:42] i also thought

[00:37:43] this isn't my movie i don't want to

[00:37:45] hijack this movie i i i don't know and

[00:37:48] so

[00:37:48] i showed up and i was like well we

[00:37:50] could do it this way or we could

[00:37:52] do it this way

[00:37:53] and fortunately jen and the director

[00:37:57] were like oh my god do it the other

[00:37:59] way and so that a way we went and we

[00:38:01] were able to do something a bit fun

[00:38:03] here in brookie i love that that's great

[00:38:16] let's talk one calls to heart i want to

[00:38:17] talk first about how it happened how

[00:38:20] you got rosemary and then i will ask a

[00:38:22] follow-up after you answer great tell

[00:38:25] me about how you got explaining how

[00:38:27] interviews work well i didn't want you

[00:38:29] to hijack it dan i don't want you to

[00:38:31] hijack it give me my moment he's lining

[00:38:33] up question one and that's right you don't

[00:38:36] know when he answers pascal under like

[00:38:38] the rest of this interview prepare for

[00:38:40] a follow-up that's right okay i thought

[00:38:45] it was the first question and then i

[00:38:47] know i know just prepare yourself

[00:38:49] buckle up uh yeah so i just auditioned

[00:38:52] i just auditioned for the part of

[00:38:53] rosemary and at that time i was

[00:38:55] still on our took care and so i would

[00:38:59] just audition for it was supposed to

[00:39:00] just be uh two episodes uh guest star

[00:39:05] appearance and that's what i thought i

[00:39:07] was auditioning for and uh i i loved it

[00:39:12] thought it was super fun role and um

[00:39:15] showed up and did it and then i got

[00:39:18] you know it's often they especially

[00:39:19] in episodic tv they don't give you

[00:39:21] the scripts they just give you when

[00:39:23] you're auditioning they just give you

[00:39:24] the sides and a little rundown of the

[00:39:26] character so i just got the sides and i

[00:39:29] got the rundown of the character

[00:39:31] thought that it was fun went and did the

[00:39:33] audition and booked it and then when i

[00:39:36] got this the scripts it ends with

[00:39:39] that what has become like this famous

[00:39:41] moment in the lore of when calls the

[00:39:44] heart of rosemary saying oh i'm not

[00:39:46] leaving i'm staying right here and to

[00:39:50] elizabeth and and i phoned up my agent

[00:39:55] and i said so um they think i'm staying i

[00:39:59] think they think i'm staying on the

[00:40:00] show and he was like oh we'll cross that

[00:40:04] bridge when we get to it like who knows

[00:40:06] like what's gonna happen and then um

[00:40:10] and then i shot it and that aired and

[00:40:13] then arc to care got cancelled wow and

[00:40:16] it was it was like arc to care got

[00:40:18] cancelled and it was it was really sad

[00:40:20] we loved making arc to care i i still

[00:40:22] think so fondly of that time but so i

[00:40:25] was really sad that arc to care got

[00:40:27] cancelled and then literally though

[00:40:29] literally the next day uh brad cravoi

[00:40:33] who's uh exec on when calls the heart

[00:40:36] he phoned me and he said oh i want to

[00:40:37] check your availability because we

[00:40:38] want to bring you on as a regular on

[00:40:40] when calls the heart are you free to

[00:40:43] come on and i was like well my show

[00:40:45] was cancelled yesterday so yeah i guess

[00:40:47] what are the odds and then that man yeah

[00:40:50] just then off with off to the races

[00:40:52] the way we went ready to have a follow-up

[00:40:54] i do have a follow-up thank you very much

[00:40:56] um for that rosemary is a character

[00:41:04] which we don't see a lot on hallmark we

[00:41:06] don't see someone doing like a voice

[00:41:09] or like having a catchphrase

[00:41:11] like there's a lot of rose just like

[00:41:14] thank you oh yeah we do it on the

[00:41:16] show don't listen to what goes on our

[00:41:18] episode around the but we do it all the

[00:41:20] time around um how much of rosemary is

[00:41:24] what was on that page that you get to

[00:41:27] see when you audition versus what we see

[00:41:29] now like how much of it is you crafting

[00:41:31] this character and did did hallmark ever

[00:41:34] push back and go just rosemary had down

[00:41:37] a little bit yeah yeah

[00:41:42] yeah for sure so um the first the

[00:41:45] first season i was only in two episodes

[00:41:48] and there were a lot of conversations

[00:41:50] around when is she performing and then

[00:41:53] when is she when does that kind of

[00:41:56] mass come down and she's more um vulnerable

[00:42:01] i guess uh and so there were a lot of

[00:42:04] conversations about that in that first

[00:42:06] season i think it was in season two

[00:42:10] when you really saw

[00:42:13] more of her playfulness in her

[00:42:17] playfulness and it started kind of taking

[00:42:19] shape but i feel like if you watch season

[00:42:23] like if you're watching the series and

[00:42:26] you get to season three you will see a

[00:42:29] lot of things that then become kind of

[00:42:33] cornerstones of the series really take

[00:42:37] shape in season three and not just for

[00:42:39] my character although yes definitely for

[00:42:41] rosemary but also just in terms of the

[00:42:45] look of the show in terms of the tone

[00:42:47] of the show in terms of the characters a

[00:42:50] lot of stuff solidified in season three

[00:42:52] and then evolved from there but within

[00:42:56] that framework i think season one and

[00:42:58] two almost are stand-alone like they

[00:43:00] don't people love them because they're

[00:43:03] you know almost like origin story of

[00:43:05] hope valley but they really tonally

[00:43:08] have a very different thing going on

[00:43:10] than season three and onwards and from

[00:43:13] each other and i see the seasons have a

[00:43:15] different totally yes yes totally for

[00:43:18] sure um so rosemary gets to do a lot of

[00:43:23] things in this show that i think

[00:43:25] because the structure of when calls the

[00:43:27] heart is we're all here

[00:43:29] life's moving forward what's kind of the

[00:43:31] thing that's happening this week we're

[00:43:32] playing a birthday party or Abigail's

[00:43:34] cafe is in trouble like that's kind

[00:43:36] of like it's low stakes on purpose

[00:43:38] because you're there for the characters

[00:43:40] it's a it's a comfort food situation

[00:43:42] um but rosemary over the years and lee

[00:43:46] uh to some extent actually yes lee as

[00:43:49] well have become like what i felt like

[00:43:51] and don't take this take this for what it

[00:43:53] is it's a great it's what i felt like

[00:43:55] they started to do with Sheldon on the

[00:43:56] big bang theory which is let's find a

[00:44:00] situation we know these two actors

[00:44:03] who lee is like structured in mr.

[00:44:05] businessman and loves rosemary rosemary

[00:44:07] flair for the dramatic always has the big

[00:44:09] idea always is like up for an adventure

[00:44:12] let's find a situation that lends itself to

[00:44:16] what lee and rosemary do best and so we

[00:44:18] have some years where it's like

[00:44:19] she's making dresses or she's always

[00:44:22] got her hand doing something and then

[00:44:25] and then i don't know this is all good

[00:44:27] this is a few years she's making dresses

[00:44:30] yeah but like you know like just

[00:44:31] instances where it's like what would

[00:44:34] yeah yeah no i'm not with you i'm

[00:44:36] what would rosemary do or promise that

[00:44:38] would drive lee baddie or what would lee

[00:44:41] yeah that and not think to like even

[00:44:44] communicate with his wife which was

[00:44:45] last week's episode where it's like lee

[00:44:47] bro you forgot a breakfast and a

[00:44:48] lunch that's on you you know what i mean

[00:44:50] like so they they do this with this

[00:44:53] these characters watch every episode

[00:44:55] like can i ask you we've seen every

[00:44:57] episode

[00:44:58] yes oh okay we've seen every episode

[00:45:01] pascal we're we're regular we're not

[00:45:04] hardies we're regular watchers i don't

[00:45:07] listen i'm pretty hard on the show

[00:45:09] typically um on what i'm going to call

[00:45:12] her i okay so i this is something i did

[00:45:16] want to touch on i'm so curious about

[00:45:18] it that you've chosen to invest so much

[00:45:21] time and energy on something that maybe

[00:45:24] you don't love i love reviewing it

[00:45:27] so like i don't it's never it's never

[00:45:29] personal like it's never like seeing

[00:45:32] you i saw you first in win calls the

[00:45:34] heart maybe one other movie before that

[00:45:35] i've never seen perfect bride then seeing

[00:45:38] you and you had me at aloha and i was

[00:45:39] like oh my gosh she is such an actor

[00:45:42] because you have these two things and

[00:45:44] the premise of our show was never to

[00:45:46] watch win calls the heart it was brand

[00:45:48] loves christmas movies i minored in

[00:45:50] film and no enough to sound smarter than

[00:45:52] i actually am and we're gonna watch

[00:45:53] these and i don't like him and he

[00:45:54] likes him that was the that was the

[00:45:56] basis for the show yeah people clamored

[00:45:59] for us to watch it and those episodes

[00:46:01] people tune in they're like hey what

[00:46:04] it all right guys and we bring jacklyn

[00:46:06] call your in as our third host for that

[00:46:08] show and she's wonderful and she's a

[00:46:10] huge fan of yours i'm sure she's gonna

[00:46:11] freak out when she hears that you're

[00:46:13] on the show and so we've watched them

[00:46:16] all and you've not always like there's

[00:46:18] been times like the show ebbs and flows

[00:46:20] which actually is what i was going to

[00:46:22] get to which is you you get a pretty

[00:46:25] dramatic plot line in in this show in

[00:46:29] season nine or ten i don't remember

[00:46:31] which where you and lee are struggling

[00:46:32] to have a child and you want a child

[00:46:34] desperately and this for like you are

[00:46:37] you are so good like so and i this is not

[00:46:41] like i'm just i'm being honest like

[00:46:44] sometimes you feel like you're making

[00:46:46] this show and you know that when calls

[00:46:48] the heart is very low stakes and so

[00:46:49] there's not a lot of reason to to rock

[00:46:51] the boat your choices typically rock

[00:46:55] rock the boat in the best way and

[00:46:58] you have this you've been asked to

[00:47:00] want to build a theater in town to build

[00:47:03] dresses to run a newspaper to have three

[00:47:05] phones blah blah like the full song and

[00:47:07] dance and yet you pivot and you pull

[00:47:10] off this unbelievable performance

[00:47:13] where you have to dig deep like you

[00:47:15] have to go somewhere and like really

[00:47:18] bear your soul on camera in a show

[00:47:20] that is you know first two seasons

[00:47:23] aside which were you know death of a

[00:47:24] lot of minors really serious but since

[00:47:27] then it's a show that doesn't has

[00:47:30] doesn't really hit notes that deep and

[00:47:33] that true on purpose and so i this is

[00:47:37] a long way of he's gonna get there

[00:47:38] here comes here comes here comes

[00:47:40] basement on smartlist you get i just

[00:47:41] hope there's no follow-up

[00:47:44] a long time i think the follow-ups in

[00:47:46] here somewhere as well is did the kid

[00:47:49] did the producers of the show it

[00:47:51] really the short version is how much

[00:47:54] like how much do you get to have a

[00:47:55] say in that to the producers of the

[00:47:57] show go man pascal really she can foul

[00:47:59] pull the foul pull she can do this so

[00:48:01] let's let's continue to shift and swing

[00:48:04] rosemary as our more dramatic character

[00:48:07] or is it you going hey i i did the

[00:48:10] theater thing i did the dressest thing

[00:48:12] i was in love with jack when i came to

[00:48:13] town

[00:48:14] let me have something let lee and i have

[00:48:16] something

[00:48:17] that is more substantial who is doing

[00:48:20] that who's like are you having a

[00:48:21] say or is this just you're getting

[00:48:22] your script and going oh okay got gotta

[00:48:24] dig deep this year

[00:48:27] yeah more that more really yeah i mean

[00:48:31] i've always said i've always said about

[00:48:35] rosemary and so like at the beginning

[00:48:37] of every season when the writers room

[00:48:39] forms

[00:48:40] they will whoever our showrunner is at

[00:48:43] the time and you know after 12 11 years

[00:48:46] i mean we've had a number of show

[00:48:48] runners

[00:48:49] um usually you sit down with them

[00:48:51] and they're like okay like do you

[00:48:52] have any ideas or like where do you

[00:48:53] see rosemary going this season or like

[00:48:55] let's talk about what we what we see

[00:48:57] going on

[00:48:58] and i have always said right from the

[00:49:00] beginning

[00:49:01] um

[00:49:04] i think the strength of this character is

[00:49:07] that while comedic and larger than life

[00:49:12] a lot of the time the best thing to do

[00:49:15] for a character like that is to give

[00:49:17] her moments and it doesn't have to be

[00:49:20] prominent but give her moments where

[00:49:24] it it the shoe drops kind of and there

[00:49:27] is that more dramatic more vulnerable

[00:49:31] moment and that's that's interesting as

[00:49:34] an actor but more importantly it's

[00:49:35] interesting as an audience member to

[00:49:37] watch

[00:49:38] um to see a character who who does have

[00:49:42] great variation and and so i've

[00:49:46] always said that so not specifically

[00:49:48] any direct storylines i've just said

[00:49:50] that that's what intrigues me about

[00:49:52] this character and that's what excites

[00:49:54] me

[00:49:54] and so fortunately like i we've had

[00:49:57] amazing amazing show runners and they

[00:50:00] have taken that and and given me some

[00:50:03] really cool moments

[00:50:04] that uh you know challenged me as an

[00:50:07] actor and challenged my concept of this

[00:50:09] character and and allowed us to show

[00:50:13] many different facets so that she

[00:50:15] wasn't just one dimensional

[00:50:17] got any more long boys i have so

[00:50:18] many like i this is so fascinating to

[00:50:20] me it really is i do but i'm not gonna

[00:50:23] i'll give you one more do you have any

[00:50:24] more wind calls okay okay um your

[00:50:28] character shows up and is pining for

[00:50:30] jack Thornton

[00:50:31] and then falls in love with lee colter

[00:50:34] and there is a point late in the season

[00:50:35] and i was trying to remember this i've

[00:50:37] not watched this episode in years but

[00:50:39] lee is sitting with you with rosemary

[00:50:41] says that he has bought this thing

[00:50:44] and is building you a stage right

[00:50:47] like is building you like a theater

[00:50:50] okay um so that rosemary seems like we

[00:50:54] don't hear about theater for a long time

[00:50:56] in the all of a sudden it's like

[00:50:58] telephone newspaper and it's like rosemary

[00:51:01] is a journalist who's getting the scoop

[00:51:03] and making the calls and it's like but

[00:51:05] she loves she loves she loves the

[00:51:08] theater why what's wrong with her

[00:51:10] doing that and then now it's gotten

[00:51:12] to a point where you you mentioned

[00:51:13] the last episode rosemary does we

[00:51:15] could put a stage in the queen of

[00:51:17] hearts

[00:51:18] do you know what happened to that theater

[00:51:20] what happened to the one that lee

[00:51:21] built her

[00:51:22] all the way back when because it's driving

[00:51:24] me nuts he never built me a theater

[00:51:26] he never built okay okay good he just

[00:51:29] promised to build me a theater and then

[00:51:31] he never knew another broken promise

[00:51:34] by lee which brings me to this point

[00:51:36] he's the worst he is he's the worst

[00:51:39] so listen you let him off the hook last

[00:51:42] week no kidding that guy that guy goes

[00:51:45] i missed the breakfast i missed

[00:51:46] lunch i know how to fix this let's buy

[00:51:49] another company

[00:51:50] and i know it was a it was a real

[00:51:54] curbs best up man one not many men could

[00:51:57] pull off but he's pretty haven't great

[00:51:59] but he did convent rosemary who like

[00:52:02] rightfully calls him on the carpet

[00:52:03] for missing a breakfast and a lunch in

[00:52:05] the same day is somehow then

[00:52:08] conversely she is convinced that

[00:52:10] acquiring another business will give

[00:52:13] them more time together

[00:52:14] don't believe them rosemary don't believe

[00:52:16] we've got we have we this is it's not how

[00:52:19] that works

[00:52:20] not that works couldn't be i'll talk to

[00:52:23] him i'll talk to lee i'll let him have

[00:52:24] cabinet we'd love to have cabin on the

[00:52:26] show i'll talk to lee you'll talk to

[00:52:27] lee i'll talk to lee i call the care

[00:52:28] he's still real to me cabin stays in

[00:52:30] lee we we've got about five phones in

[00:52:34] our office at co-art when calls the

[00:52:36] heart so try any of that like your

[00:52:38] band that's what made me think of

[00:52:39] the sheldon thing it's like these

[00:52:42] characters know how to play up a

[00:52:43] comedy bit you guys are oil and water

[00:52:46] the comedy is very avid and castello

[00:52:48] laurel and hardy it's a great vibe and

[00:52:50] so when calls the heart everywhere

[00:52:52] else is like we'll do lucas and athon

[00:52:54] and then we'll do lucas and then

[00:52:56] nathan and then who knows and and with

[00:52:58] both you guys it's very much like

[00:53:00] we're shenanigans we have the you

[00:53:03] know these two love to play

[00:53:06] we're going to give them shenanigans

[00:53:07] and i knew it i knew talking to you

[00:53:09] for an hour that you weren't going

[00:53:11] into the office going i need more

[00:53:13] shenanigans i knew you weren't i that is

[00:53:15] what no no i'm not saying that but i

[00:53:18] will say

[00:53:19] uh we even when i mean obviously some

[00:53:23] storylines seem obvious that there are

[00:53:25] shenanigans

[00:53:26] cabin and i will sometimes just come up

[00:53:28] with different ideas of different ways

[00:53:31] we can block a scene or

[00:53:33] uh you know modify a couple lines to

[00:53:37] to be a little bit more uh bantary

[00:53:40] or comedic we really love trying to find

[00:53:43] where the comedy lives with the two of

[00:53:44] them so

[00:53:45] um i think maybe the writers are just

[00:53:47] like okay well they're gonna do it anyway

[00:53:49] so let's

[00:53:50] write let's just write more of it i love

[00:53:52] it i love it i'll end when calls the

[00:53:55] heart with this we're in our 11th season

[00:53:57] now a couple of episodes and we're

[00:53:59] ending it here right i'm done i'm

[00:54:02] ending it i'm done you can do it you

[00:54:03] want to finale you've exhausted me

[00:54:07] i uh we're in our 11th season a couple

[00:54:09] episodes in now it without giving too

[00:54:12] much way about what you're uh and lee's

[00:54:14] arc is in the season is there anything

[00:54:16] that you're especially excited about

[00:54:18] um maybe about where rosemary is

[00:54:21] heading or maybe just to see fans

[00:54:23] reactions about is it a knife fight in

[00:54:25] the alley with the other newspaper is

[00:54:27] it that should be if it's that let us

[00:54:28] know

[00:54:31] it is it is me and randall rockwell

[00:54:34] works out yeah it's gonna get uh

[00:54:37] no the thing that i'm most excited

[00:54:39] about for people to watch and and for

[00:54:41] myself to watch as well

[00:54:43] um is all the stuff with rosemary and

[00:54:46] and bill i think it's just unexpected i

[00:54:49] think we've never seen the two of them

[00:54:51] even though we've been on the same show

[00:54:52] for 10 seasons we haven't really had

[00:54:56] much to do with one another and so it

[00:54:58] was really fun and it's a fun

[00:55:00] dynamic for people to watch uh i've

[00:55:03] i've watched up to episode three or

[00:55:05] four now and uh it's fun it's really

[00:55:08] fun to see and evolve this dynamic

[00:55:10] between bill and rosemary trying to

[00:55:12] solve this mystery i do love or not

[00:55:15] murder like the bill avery like on the

[00:55:17] case she said murder she's okay yeah

[00:55:19] that's happening right it's what episode

[00:55:21] is the murder no i know i'm pretty

[00:55:23] distracted i was like oh my gosh i do

[00:55:25] not want to pass kill hughton just

[00:55:26] said that nathan tried to murder

[00:55:29] lucas that is what just happened on

[00:55:30] the show you got the scoop pass cow

[00:55:32] rosemary confirms that's time

[00:55:34] nathan grant in his mounty you're

[00:55:36] getting me into a world of trouble

[00:55:38] world is mounting surge just one to the

[00:55:41] chest i i just a bad shot i lied i have

[00:55:44] one more pass cow is this the season

[00:55:46] where elizabeth and gowan finally

[00:55:48] end up together i think the tension's

[00:55:50] there it is clear gowan over here i

[00:55:53] this that's not that's not what we

[00:55:55] know that gowan is meant to be with

[00:55:57] i don't i don't i don't think listen

[00:56:00] i don't think that i i respect the

[00:56:03] opinion that that maybe could have been

[00:56:07] a possibility yes but but we have to

[00:56:09] just we have to talk about what we see on

[00:56:11] the screen and what we see on the screen

[00:56:14] is elizabeth and gowan the sparks are

[00:56:16] flying and i'm just saying i know the

[00:56:19] people but they were they're both

[00:56:21] talking about avigale he made a

[00:56:23] special trek to go see avigale i think

[00:56:26] that that's on that's that's happening

[00:56:29] whether whether it's on screen i'm

[00:56:31] not opposed to a thrupple i think

[00:56:33] listen i think every everything i

[00:56:35] where i'm fine either way however it

[00:56:37] ends up i do have one question that is

[00:56:39] pertinent we talk about it every week

[00:56:40] but i'm going to get your answer off

[00:56:42] air if that's okay because i know that

[00:56:45] you can't answer it all the way to do

[00:56:46] this for the people that are listening

[00:56:47] just stick around if you could for

[00:56:49] 30 seconds because i'm fascinated to

[00:56:51] know your take on this but i don't

[00:56:52] want to do it

[00:56:53] and keep it in the the broadcast it's

[00:56:54] time for the rapid fire but nathan

[00:56:56] did shoot lucas and we didn't get that

[00:56:58] that's very very good we got that

[00:56:59] that's great awesome it's time for

[00:57:00] rapid fire it's where we each could

[00:57:02] ask you three questions about anything

[00:57:04] and you have to answer it quickly or not

[00:57:07] it's really up to you it's your life

[00:57:09] yeah you've been on over a hundred

[00:57:11] episodes of wind calls the heart

[00:57:13] how many days in your estimation has the

[00:57:15] entire cast been there

[00:57:19] well a hundred episodes i have no idea

[00:57:21] how many days like if it's eight to

[00:57:24] ten days an episode is that about

[00:57:25] right

[00:57:28] well we we block shoot so it's 13

[00:57:30] days for two okay so six and a half

[00:57:32] 700 days 700 days how many is the

[00:57:34] entire cast everybody there

[00:57:36] wow

[00:57:39] i'd say

[00:57:44] i'd say maybe 50 over the 10 years

[00:57:48] i'd say i'd say i'd say 50 to 75

[00:57:51] all right eight to 10 percent that

[00:57:53] sounds about you mentioned you mentioned

[00:57:55] that art to gear got canceled and then

[00:57:57] you got a call from brad did brad

[00:57:59] pay them to cancel the show

[00:58:03] you know what i wouldn't put it past him

[00:58:05] he's such a busy man i've wondered it

[00:58:07] myself i don't know the truth to it but

[00:58:09] it's suspicious timing

[00:58:11] suspicious we can at least say that

[00:58:13] suspicious time yes yeah um in your

[00:58:16] mind how many seasons should there be

[00:58:18] of wind calls the heart

[00:58:20] oh my gosh you know what this is

[00:58:22] cavin's favorite question he's been

[00:58:24] asking him me for years literally

[00:58:26] love every season how many should go

[00:58:28] for what do you think we can go for what

[00:58:30] do you think is realistic i always said

[00:58:33] 12 i always said i think we've got 12

[00:58:37] seasons in us and now that we're so

[00:58:40] close to 12 and i'm like crossing my

[00:58:42] fingers like i think i'm i'm hoping

[00:58:44] like 12 will happen now i'm sort of

[00:58:47] like oh without getting greedy i feel

[00:58:50] like i feel like easily yeah we could

[00:58:54] go 15 of course i think easily we

[00:58:56] could do 15 and like some people are

[00:58:58] even like 15 why not go for 20 but i feel

[00:59:01] like that's a bit like that's a bit

[00:59:03] greedy so i'm like i'll i'll start by

[00:59:06] revising my estimation to 15 i love it

[00:59:09] uh you have to choose between sour sour

[00:59:14] i thought they were done i thought it

[00:59:15] was three no three and three yes

[00:59:19] sorry oh okay okay six okay i think she

[00:59:22] wants to leave this hurts uh if you

[00:59:25] have to choose between sour gummies and

[00:59:27] non-sour gummies which gummies are you

[00:59:29] choosing the worst i'm sorry it should

[00:59:30] have been a good question

[00:59:34] uh non sour okay uh in uh you're in

[00:59:39] vancouver yes all right where are you

[00:59:42] going to eat if you get one meal

[00:59:43] birthday dinner where are you going to

[00:59:44] eat

[00:59:46] oh uh i i'm gonna say joe fortes it's

[00:59:51] um it's downtown and i go there every

[00:59:54] year with cavin for my birthday and for

[00:59:57] his birthday we take each other out for

[00:59:59] our awesome and we always go to jim fortes

[01:00:01] i love it what are your thoughts on those

[01:00:03] shoes where all the toes have an

[01:00:05] individual like you know like no no

[01:00:08] right yeah you get it yeah she gets it

[01:00:09] you got it yeah i don't know who's saying

[01:00:12] yes who's saying yes have you asked people

[01:00:14] that wear them apparently do and then

[01:00:15] i feel bad i don't want to go up and

[01:00:17] be like what's up with you like i'll

[01:00:19] judge you in my head socks though what

[01:00:20] about the socks with all the

[01:00:23] i don't like it's too enclosed i don't

[01:00:26] like that yeah yeah not good pascal the

[01:00:29] goal of the podcast and our podcast

[01:00:31] network is to bring joy and we do that

[01:00:33] with every interview e by asking if

[01:00:35] there is a specific charity uh that you

[01:00:38] work with or would like to promote

[01:00:39] here deck the hallmark is going to give

[01:00:41] a hundred bucks and we would encourage

[01:00:43] everyone else if they so feel the

[01:00:45] need to do so to join us in donating

[01:00:46] is there a charity that uh that you'd

[01:00:48] like to tell us about well this

[01:00:50] might not be a surprise after my

[01:00:53] cameo visitor earlier in this interview

[01:00:55] but i would say uh spca is phenomenal

[01:00:58] and uh it would be great if people want

[01:01:00] a great charity have three rescue dogs

[01:01:03] they are family i love them dearly so

[01:01:05] that is a awesome charity we would love

[01:01:07] to donate to the spca pascal thank you

[01:01:09] so much for joining us uh giving of your

[01:01:12] time and being so candid and so great

[01:01:14] and now a member of the one hour club

[01:01:16] one hour club which doesn't happen

[01:01:17] often around here so that's very very

[01:01:19] impressive does it not means we had

[01:01:21] a good time i mean we had a good time

[01:01:22] yes so much to talk about yeah uh

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