Rise of the Guardians (2012) ft. Alonso Duralde

[00:00:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Hi, I'm Brandon. I love Guardians. I'm Dan. I despise Guardians

[00:00:08] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm Alonso and this is an Easter movie and this

[00:00:33] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know, but Alonso just a point of clarification and you know this you can't have Easter without Christmas. Amen

[00:00:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, not on this show, but I mean

[00:00:55] [SPEAKER_01]: The Easter Bunny was very close to giving giving us a gospel presentation at one point in this movie. That's true. He was

[00:01:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Right if he had laid out like this with the knives in each hand

[00:01:06] [SPEAKER_04]: It would have been a full full crucifix the passion of the bunny

[00:01:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Give us give us a little bit of the bunny Dan. What do you mean? Just a voice? It's Australian

[00:01:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Good. I

[00:01:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Easter buddy, it's just New York. Tell about Jesus

[00:01:23] [SPEAKER_01]: You can't you cannot believe in Easter. That's pretty good

[00:01:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Pretty good. Hello. How are you? Hello. What are we even doing here? Hi

[00:01:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh

[00:01:40] [SPEAKER_03]: You know

[00:01:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Just got back from Dallas, which was fun to see my old folks at the USA Film Festival

[00:01:47] [SPEAKER_03]: We did a screening last week and I signed some copies of Hollywood pride went to the Texas State Fair, which is always

[00:01:56] [SPEAKER_01]: State

[00:01:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Go to Fairfood

[00:01:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'll tell you a thing I had really missed for a long time

[00:02:01] [SPEAKER_03]: So it was it was great to get my hands on one again is y'all know what a tornado tater is

[00:02:06] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't I don't know what a tornado tater is

[00:02:11] [SPEAKER_03]: It's an entire potato

[00:02:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Spiral spiral slice shot and then deep fry. Let's go. So it's like a potato chip. That is also a slinky

[00:02:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'm here for it. Stop selling my favorite fair food and I

[00:02:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah the one that I had had like some sort of sauce drizzled on it too well

[00:02:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you can like salt or ketchup

[00:02:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely, go to fair foods called an elephant ear. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I love an elephant ear

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_04]: It's like the funnel cake out of it and make it one big giant like slice of fried dough

[00:02:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Mmm, yeah, but like this cinnamon sugar on its whole boy, you know, I just saw

[00:02:54] [SPEAKER_04]: I

[00:02:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Didn't watch the whole thing

[00:02:58] [SPEAKER_01]: but I saw this guy who went to I want to say was the

[00:03:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Minnesota State Fair and they tried every food the Wisconsin ones

[00:03:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Now I kind of want to do that with you. I want to go to a fair tell me that and try every

[00:03:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Just found the money in the budget for it, bro

[00:03:17] [SPEAKER_04]: We could meet Alonzo in the Texas one

[00:03:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Like I'm here for it when I lived in Dallas

[00:03:23] [SPEAKER_03]: I learned early on the hard way that I had to have a food day and a ride

[00:03:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Can't do both

[00:03:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Ride combo

[00:03:35] [SPEAKER_04]: I

[00:03:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Used to be now not so much but like there was a time where like I don't care how like

[00:03:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Carney it looked I'm like, yeah, I'll get on that thing

[00:03:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Your review might be out at this point, but I've not read it yet

[00:03:49] [SPEAKER_04]: So if you could give me a one-word reaction to megalopolis, that would be great

[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_03]: How about overstuffed

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_04]: And I'd seen more than most movies

[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Did the screening you see have an interactive part with the audience?

[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_03]: so yeah, so there is a point during the film where like

[00:04:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Somebody who works in the theater has to go down and do a thing in front of the screen and like the house lights go

[00:04:17] [SPEAKER_03]: up and it's a you know, and I think Coppola's been down this road before like I think Twix or one of his tiny movies of

[00:04:23] [SPEAKER_03]: recent years involved some sort of a

[00:04:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Theatrical interaction but but yeah

[00:04:28] [SPEAKER_03]: The my favorite joke that I saw about this on social media was somebody saying look Kenny

[00:04:32] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't care one person bought a ticket to the 1015 Megalopolis. So you got to get over to house five right now

[00:04:37] [SPEAKER_01]: From what I gather outside of the big city premieres it won't that won't be the case

[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_01]: They'll have it like like an a

[00:04:47] [SPEAKER_01]: question

[00:04:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Go to see Megalopolis, which I'm not planning on but what happens if I go to see it?

[00:04:54] [SPEAKER_01]: My understanding is you will hear it in the movie says okay off camera

[00:04:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Interviewer is my understanding. Yeah, I mean like it's a person in my house said anything

[00:05:03] [SPEAKER_03]: We didn't hear it or like they got lost in the din of everything else

[00:05:07] [SPEAKER_03]: It just sort of felt for like some weird kind of shadow play. I don't know what's going on

[00:05:11] [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah

[00:05:12] [SPEAKER_03]: I imagine there's probably like the like maybe the IMAX version or the big city version or whatever and then there's these sort of straightforward

[00:05:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Theatrical mix that will have it just included on the soundtrack. Yeah, it's um a lot

[00:05:25] [SPEAKER_04]: A lot of other according to Alonzo de Rolde

[00:05:29] [SPEAKER_03]: It's more like the next one from the heart so, you know take that for what it's worth

[00:05:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you might be you might be wondering is rise of the Guardians a lot

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Rise of the Guardians

[00:05:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk about it originally premiered on November 21st

[00:05:48] [SPEAKER_01]: 2012 12 years ago man, which is crazy and I'm at it's a great

[00:05:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Jack Frost he's nipping at folks noses

[00:05:59] [SPEAKER_01]: He's birthed from a frozen pond. I wrote that and now I'm like, why did I say?

[00:06:06] [SPEAKER_03]: That is what happens

[00:06:09] [SPEAKER_01]: And he's confused AF about what's going on. He quickly discovers that everything that he touches

[00:06:15] [SPEAKER_01]: freezes oh and

[00:06:16] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, he can kind of like fly with the wind. It's not like flying. It's more like falling with style

[00:06:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Flash forward 300 years to the North Pole. That's right 300 years and

[00:06:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Santa's up there making stuff when all of a sudden some dark magic stuff starts happening

[00:06:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Santa can like like puts out a call to all of the other magical creatures or as they're called in this

[00:06:42] [SPEAKER_01]: movie look audience

[00:06:45] [SPEAKER_01]: To come to the North Pole. We got a chat

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_01]: He tells the Easter Bunny the tooth fairy the rest of the gang that he thinks that he may have seen sit down

[00:06:54] [SPEAKER_01]: pitch black

[00:06:58] [SPEAKER_04]: It just be crazy

[00:06:59] [SPEAKER_01]: How do we get confirmation about this well, everyone knows you asked the man in the moon

[00:07:06] [SPEAKER_01]: What's going on?

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_03]: The man if you believe they put him in on the bank, that's true. That's true

[00:07:13] [SPEAKER_01]: And the man on the moon is like hey, it's true pitch pitch black is here but also you're gonna need another guardian and

[00:07:21] [SPEAKER_01]: that's gonna help you kind of

[00:07:23] [SPEAKER_01]: seal the deal here and make sure that pitch black doesn't take over the world and

[00:07:29] [SPEAKER_01]: The new Guardian is gonna be Jack Frost

[00:07:32] [SPEAKER_01]: the gang is not excited about this because Jack Frost is is less of a

[00:07:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Guardian and more of a little a little stinker. You know what? I mean? He's he's all about the fun

[00:07:42] [SPEAKER_01]: He's over there. You know, he's nipping at noses as I mentioned. Yeah, and just kind of having a nose-nipping

[00:07:49] [SPEAKER_01]: He's a loose cannon. Yes. He is. No one knows what's going on, but his goal really though. We have a young captain Kirk

[00:07:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Abrams version. Yeah, of course and

[00:08:00] [SPEAKER_01]: What he wants is to make kids laugh. That's really all that he wants

[00:08:04] [SPEAKER_01]: One day Jack is transported to the North Pole and told that he is a guardian

[00:08:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Santa believes that every Guardian has a center Santa's center is wonder

[00:08:15] [SPEAKER_01]: So Jack has to figure out his center what drives him and then once he does that does that do that if you will he?

[00:08:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Will feel like a guardian so Jack

[00:08:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Also finds out there's a lot being thrown at Jack all at once

[00:08:29] [SPEAKER_01]: He finds out that and you know this Dan, but yeah, baby teeth hold memories of the past. Yes

[00:08:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're similar to water in frozen to that's exactly right. So Jack has a lot of

[00:08:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Questions about who he is where he came from

[00:08:41] [SPEAKER_01]: He's been wondering this for 300 years if he can get his hands on those baby teeth got to get the baby teeth

[00:08:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Then he'll know that's exactly right now pitch pitch pitch black PB as we'll call him

[00:08:52] [SPEAKER_01]: He's up to no good his whole J. Jack Frost. That's exactly right. That's what he wants

[00:08:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah

[00:08:56] [SPEAKER_01]: his whole thing is that he wants to ruins kids faith in the Guardians because if

[00:09:01] [SPEAKER_01]: They lose faith in the Guardians. They won't you know, they'll be sad and he can scare them with dreams and stuff

[00:09:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Really? He just wants people to know that he is real because he's just not very popular

[00:09:13] [SPEAKER_01]: So what he does first and you got to do this he raids the tooth palace

[00:09:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Like a kid on Halloween. He's going nuts over there. He is stealing all the teeth

[00:09:24] [SPEAKER_01]: stealing all the memories and he's gonna use these things to kind of

[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Fuel the fire for what it is that scares his kids

[00:09:32] [SPEAKER_01]: He even captures tooth fairies helpers

[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_01]: And so the Guardians now are gonna be set off to collect some teeth and all that good stuff

[00:09:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Jack is tagging along for the ride. He is really hoping that he's gonna find out more about his own past in the process

[00:09:47] [SPEAKER_01]: There's a kid named Jamie. He's a kid who believes in all of the Guardians except for Jack which I mean

[00:09:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah fair, but he's like

[00:09:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Beginning to like all the kids around him are beginning to lose their hope

[00:10:03] [SPEAKER_01]: wonder they're beginning to doubt and all of all this stuff and PB learns about this and decides that he is going to

[00:10:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Try to best that he can get Jack on on his team

[00:10:15] [SPEAKER_01]: He's gonna take him out to a mountaintop and he's gonna leave him there and he's gonna tempt him with bread

[00:10:21] [SPEAKER_04]: It's a whole thing. Let him look over the city

[00:10:24] [SPEAKER_03]: PB and J pitch black. Yes, like in Jack Jesus. I mean Jack. Yes, so

[00:10:30] [SPEAKER_01]: the Guardians

[00:10:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Are there they're doing their best out there?

[00:10:34] [SPEAKER_01]: But as people begin to lose their faith in the Guardians the Guardians begin to lose their powers

[00:10:41] [SPEAKER_01]: But he gets small Santa is like, you know

[00:10:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Not not Santa so it's tough out there. He still looks the same though, which I was disappointed

[00:10:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I thought he was gonna get like, you know, my Russian. Yeah less Russian, baby

[00:10:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Whatever it is

[00:10:57] [SPEAKER_01]: So once again, he just continues to tempt Jack and Jack is like no

[00:11:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not gonna do this and at one point he is like dropped in this area and he is able to see

[00:11:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Some stuff and he finds baby tooth has been captured and all this stuff and he's like this isn't good for anybody

[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, Jack continues to stand firm. I'm not gonna give in to you PB. No way know how

[00:11:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Baby tooth helps Jack unlock his memories and we find out that Jack when he was just a regular old kid

[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Saved his sister's life on the ice and in the process fell through the ice and he died at some serious stuff

[00:11:42] [SPEAKER_01]: So now though he knows

[00:11:44] [SPEAKER_01]: He has what it takes to be a guardian so he goes back out there and he's like, let's go and

[00:11:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Jamie being the last kid to believe he goes into Jamie's room

[00:11:56] [SPEAKER_01]: He causes it to snow in his room and he finally sees Jack

[00:12:01] [SPEAKER_01]: We did it and so the Guardians come together. They face PB

[00:12:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Jack realizes that his center is fun. And so we're not gonna run away from this guy. We're gonna have some fun

[00:12:13] [SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna add, you know a lot of fun to the mix here

[00:12:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Jamie goes over the other kids begin to come they start to believe again and with the belief of children

[00:12:22] [SPEAKER_01]: The fun of Jack Frost and the power of the Guardians

[00:12:27] [SPEAKER_01]: And their their renewed faith that the kids having them. They are able to defeat PB and at the end

[00:12:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Jack fully embraces himself as a guardian and

[00:12:38] [SPEAKER_01]: He is ready to spread the good news, nope to spread fun

[00:12:50] [SPEAKER_01]: We did do it we're gonna take a quick break we're to come back

[00:12:56] [SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna break this movie down with four segments here on back the hallmark

[00:13:00] [SPEAKER_01]: We're talking rise of the Guardians here on another Monday a Monday when we go back and we watch a

[00:13:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Christmas movie that we've never covered here on the show and movies that even Alonzo hasn't covered in

[00:13:25] [SPEAKER_01]: his many a books out there and

[00:13:28] [SPEAKER_01]: The movie today is rise of the Guardians 2012

[00:13:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Jam-packed cast a a big movie. What are our thoughts on it?

[00:13:37] [SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna share our hot takes right now and I'm gonna start with you Alonzo Alonzo rise of the Guardians. What'd you think?

[00:13:42] [SPEAKER_03]: All right, well apologies in advance to the people in the chat who are fans of this movie

[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Whoa, man, I gave this movie kind of a tepid review when it came out and I like it less now

[00:13:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I kind of feel like with this world they're creating and the world building here is

[00:14:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Tough going I don't look for a lot of it tough sledding perhaps in the in the parlance of Jack Frost

[00:14:10] [SPEAKER_03]: They find the least interesting way to bring us into all of this

[00:14:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Because what we wind up with is, you know

[00:14:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Joseph Campbell the power of myth the reluctant hero like that's what like Star Wars is built on

[00:14:26] [SPEAKER_03]: That's what so many stories are built on and this entire movie is about

[00:14:31] [SPEAKER_03]: waiting for Jack Frost to get his groove on and he's

[00:14:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe the least interesting of these Guardians and what they do and their function in the world

[00:14:42] [SPEAKER_03]: And so I found myself not caring about a lot of it

[00:14:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I think a lot of the the animation has not aged well in terms of like character design and stuff and

[00:14:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Brent sorry, Dan

[00:14:54] [SPEAKER_03]: You'll I know you love a 3d movie and I did see this in 3d

[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_03]: originally and watching it now is just like all of the whooshing and swooping of

[00:15:02] [SPEAKER_03]: The 3d movies of that moment got really distracting I bet this thing slapped in 3d I bet it really did pop

[00:15:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean if that's your jam like I by that point

[00:15:13] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I think as somebody who had to go see every single 3d movie a real burndown on it real fast

[00:15:19] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah, so yeah this I

[00:15:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Get why this would be has a cult and you know

[00:15:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Every kids movie if you see it at the right age, you know sticks with you for whatever reason but not a fan

[00:15:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Sorry fair

[00:15:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Down to me to save this so

[00:15:41] [SPEAKER_01]: My the Jack Frost I found this movie to be so I was watching this movie

[00:15:49] [SPEAKER_01]: thinking about my kids as I was watching it and I'm like

[00:15:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Is this gonna be a movie that I should have my kids and the answer is no, I'm not gonna at least right now

[00:15:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Kids terrified, I think it's downright scary. Yeah, the

[00:16:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Pitch black is is why they had they didn't have to go this they went hard

[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Go this hard. They went really hard on pitch black and he's downright scary things

[00:16:12] [SPEAKER_01]: You don't mess with with kids is freaking their sleep. You don't mess with that

[00:16:18] [SPEAKER_01]: They already have a hard enough time sleeping. They're already having bad dreams

[00:16:22] [SPEAKER_01]: This guy coming in there and being like you like ponies not anymore

[00:16:26] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like hey man tone it down a little bit

[00:16:29] [SPEAKER_01]: But on top of that like let's just throw the that they didn't have to go that hard. I just I

[00:16:36] [SPEAKER_01]: agree, I felt like

[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Just getting Jack Frost is you to to believe in himself as the

[00:16:45] [SPEAKER_01]: You know fun guru. It's like okay

[00:16:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I guess I just didn't I didn't necessarily care for the way in which they they got there

[00:16:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I I like the idea of the Guardians and they're working together and blah blah blah. I like the idea of it

[00:17:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't mind the animation. I thought that it was fine

[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_01]: There was some stuff that I thought actually looked still really good. Although I do understand what you're talking about

[00:17:09] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I this movie just didn't do it for me. It didn't give me the Christmas feels it didn't give me

[00:17:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't wait to watch this movie with my kid feels and so then I'm just kind of left with well

[00:17:19] [SPEAKER_01]: It was a movie and I wasn't bored during it, but I didn't I didn't love it. They know

[00:17:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah a hearty math for me

[00:17:28] [SPEAKER_04]: I think that there are moments in this movie that really stand out as being exceptional. There are a few

[00:17:35] [SPEAKER_04]: like the scene where Jack Frost gets the last kid who believes in any of this to like

[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Shows that his belief had some like to like put something behind his belief and to reward him for his belief

[00:17:48] [SPEAKER_04]: I think is a really great scene

[00:17:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Weirdly enough. I told brand this movie would work better as a live-action movie

[00:17:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Like if this was a movie where they actually made it with special effects, but made a live-action version of this

[00:18:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Then I think it works better as it stands now

[00:18:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Animation in my opinion didn't hold up at all. I guess in 2012. It was a style choice

[00:18:12] [SPEAKER_04]: It's overstuffed to the gills it feels very manic and like there's a writer room without a writers room without a head writer

[00:18:19] [SPEAKER_04]: It does you don't really know everyone's jockeying for most important story

[00:18:23] [SPEAKER_04]: And then in the end we kind of find out that it's Jack Frost, but they

[00:18:26] [SPEAKER_04]: There is kind of a mess on that front

[00:18:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I do think the direction of for anime movie the directions very cinematic and this guy goes on to do into the spider-verse

[00:18:36] [SPEAKER_04]: I think he knows what he's doing. This is the first thing he's ever directed, but as it stands

[00:18:41] [SPEAKER_04]: It just doesn't feel like it has

[00:18:44] [SPEAKER_04]: The narrative focus and direction it needs to have for this to work and to Brand's point

[00:18:49] [SPEAKER_04]: It's kind of scary like it's not scary in a in a PG way for my kid

[00:18:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Like I don't know. It's definitely a PG movie, but the what they do with sleep and dreams

[00:19:00] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think I'd show my eight-year-olds

[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_04]: And so I just was kind of like I was kind of left feeling there are moments in this movie

[00:19:07] [SPEAKER_04]: That there's magic and then the rest of the movie

[00:19:10] [SPEAKER_04]: I was just disappointed by and I feel like it would be better if it wasn't animated

[00:19:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Daniel would this make your kids more or less frightened of the Tooth Fairy? Oh

[00:19:21] [SPEAKER_04]: They're kind of over the tooth fair, which is one of my wait. What's I think?

[00:19:26] [SPEAKER_04]: that it wouldn't

[00:19:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Hell I seem to recall one of them was already not down with the idea of a stranger showing up with change

[00:19:33] [SPEAKER_04]: That was that was a big it was a big hurdle and then it was just like well that then they when they get money

[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_04]: They're very excited about money these days. The best gift you can give my child is a envelope with money in it

[00:19:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Right now. They just think it's the best thing ever. I I

[00:19:50] [SPEAKER_04]: I think that this the tooth fairy is weird. I would say the tooth fairy is the least creepy of all of them, though

[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Mmm, yeah, I mean there's some I mean the Easter Bunny. I don't a part of that guy

[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh any part of crocodile Dundee with with knives long ears, that's an Easter, but no

[00:20:09] [SPEAKER_04]: No, no, it's a no for me. So so yeah, I don't

[00:20:14] [SPEAKER_04]: If the movie doesn't fall in any I just think it's a movie that if you if you like it

[00:20:18] [SPEAKER_04]: And if you were a certain age when it came out, it probably is a classic

[00:20:20] [SPEAKER_04]: There's people in the chat who say it's a it's an every year watch

[00:20:23] [SPEAKER_04]: So I'm not here to yuck anybody's yum

[00:20:25] [SPEAKER_04]: I just for me it was just kind of like

[00:20:27] [SPEAKER_04]: There are two scenes that I found really special and really magical and the rest of the movie was like I wish it would have been

[00:20:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Live action. I I think a 200 million dollar live-action version of this would destroy

[00:20:37] [SPEAKER_03]: With Martin Short as Jack Frost

[00:20:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Martin Short is the Chris Pine of real life and I've said that for years

[00:20:53] [SPEAKER_01]: For what it's worth this was a hundred and forty five million dollars

[00:20:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Mowgli, I

[00:20:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Can I redo my review this movie?

[00:21:02] [SPEAKER_04]: What in the world

[00:21:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Man, that's a lot of money. Yeah, I mean Alec Baldwin's not gonna work for free

[00:21:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, you know as soon as like the the we're in the North Pole and the the non-speaking but

[00:21:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Slapstick elves show up. I had to check dates. And of course, this is two years after despicable me

[00:21:31] [SPEAKER_04]: and

[00:21:33] [SPEAKER_03]: There's so many post despicable me movies

[00:21:35] [SPEAKER_03]: I give you some version of the minions including the first not so much the second Christmas Chronicles movie on Netflix

[00:21:43] [SPEAKER_03]: So that was like yeah, then again with this but I did like the Yetis

[00:21:48] [SPEAKER_03]: I thought the idea that the Yetis actually make toys and the elves are just sort of underfoot fun idea

[00:21:53] [SPEAKER_03]: And and had some fun comic reactions

[00:21:57] [SPEAKER_03]: So that was my feel I was like, oh, yeah, but yetis, they're cute

[00:22:00] [SPEAKER_01]: You know

[00:22:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I've talked about before how I feel like there's some movies that just like I'm like

[00:22:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, if that was a thing, that'd be how it worked like a brains. It's inside out

[00:22:12] [SPEAKER_01]: This movie I felt like did tooth fairy as well as I've seen it the idea of

[00:22:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Tooth fairy having you know other little fairies that go out and then they come back and there's a storage place for each kids teeth

[00:22:27] [SPEAKER_01]: You know what it tracked for me. It finally made sense

[00:22:31] [SPEAKER_01]: It all snapped in and so that the this movie is now the gold standard

[00:22:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Tooth fairy lore for brand on the box

[00:22:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Dwayne

[00:22:50] [SPEAKER_01]: As

[00:22:52] [SPEAKER_04]: The person who I think was highest on this movie of the three of us. I can't believe it

[00:22:56] [SPEAKER_04]: There are two scenes that really worked for me the scene where Jack Frost the last kid that believes that scene

[00:23:00] [SPEAKER_04]: I think really works for me

[00:23:01] [SPEAKER_04]: I think there's something about this kid going just give me any sign at all and

[00:23:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Just throwing the bunny down and then the whole thing coming to life

[00:23:09] [SPEAKER_04]: I thought that worked I that were almost worked enough to bring me back for the whole movie and then

[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_04]: When the Guardians feel as though they don't have any power power against all

[00:23:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah

[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_04]: PJ there

[00:23:21] [SPEAKER_04]: PB over there

[00:23:22] [SPEAKER_04]: And the kids step forward and the guy his hand goes out and the black dream turns in the sand

[00:23:27] [SPEAKER_04]: I thought that was beautiful. I'd like literal chills when that happened

[00:23:31] [SPEAKER_04]: So those two moments for a movie that didn't work for me those two moments 100% did work for me

[00:23:36] [SPEAKER_04]: So shout out. Did you like the tooth fairy like the whole system? No, I thought that was I don't want any system

[00:23:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Where how do we store the teeth? I don't want any part of

[00:23:45] [SPEAKER_04]: The memories

[00:23:47] [SPEAKER_04]: There's a sixth element

[00:23:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Memories and plaque

[00:24:07] [SPEAKER_04]: You know where they the place where the tooth fairy stores all the teeth, you know what it's called the cavity

[00:24:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, I was gonna say tooth opalist but that's a before that's before your time an old crest commercial

[00:24:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I

[00:24:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Superpower

[00:24:46] [SPEAKER_01]: It's time for the way was we're talking about what and rise of the Guardians minutes go away one

[00:24:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I'll start with you Alonso

[00:24:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I mean again this is you know, we're dealing with

[00:24:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Worldware Jack Frost and the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus real I have I think like a large one and a tiny one

[00:25:02] [SPEAKER_03]: My large one is at the end of the film

[00:25:06] [SPEAKER_03]: We are informed that the reason the Guardians exist. The thing that they are on earth to do is to

[00:25:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Help children fight their fears

[00:25:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Are they like

[00:25:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Is that what Santa Claus these two money do they address children's fear I don't I don't think so

[00:25:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I think they bring gifts at the holidays, you know, like the tooth fairy

[00:25:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe I guess the idea of losing a tooth can be scary. But oh there's money involved

[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_03]: So that you know makes it better and the Sandman

[00:25:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, sure because it keeps the nightmares away. I did like the Sandman sort of silent, you know commentary on things

[00:25:43] [SPEAKER_03]: That was that's one of the two of these better ideas

[00:25:46] [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah the overall the idea of like yes the the Guardians exist to help children fight their fear Jack Frost really I don't know

[00:25:53] [SPEAKER_03]: I that that idea does not hold water for me. The small one is

[00:25:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, there is a lot to like in that big climactic battle

[00:26:01] [SPEAKER_03]: I thought the moment that Daniel pointed out with the you know, the kid holding his hand up at all is great

[00:26:04] [SPEAKER_03]: But Jamie is not wearing shoes for the entire

[00:26:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Climactic sequence which involves walking on the snow walking on ice walking on like frozen

[00:26:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Street city streets and I'm like that kid you are gonna give the last child on earth who believes in all of you pneumonia in

[00:26:24] [SPEAKER_04]: About five minutes, but you can do anything if you believe Jamie

[00:26:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Apparently Jamie saw Jack Frost doing it and he's like, let me give it a shot

[00:26:33] [SPEAKER_03]: If you believe enough you can get circulation to your toes, right?

[00:26:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so those were yeah in a movie that is pretty much defying the idea of a wait what that's what I got

[00:26:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I got a couple

[00:26:45] [SPEAKER_01]: one I

[00:26:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Was just I don't know. I didn't like that Santa had a naughty tattoo like I

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Know that he also had a nice tattoo, but like

[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_04]: This guy in the middle

[00:27:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Could go either way, you know what I mean?

[00:27:07] [SPEAKER_01]: On the right day ladies

[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Likes the not likes to not yeah. Yeah, I don't know

[00:27:14] [SPEAKER_01]: He's a dirty Santa. I don't know. It's a bad Apple. I saw a dirty Santa live. I'm sure you did

[00:27:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I also don't understand why they gave

[00:27:30] [SPEAKER_01]: All of the Guardians just like weird names like we don't know who they are ridiculous like Santa is now Nicholas

[00:27:38] [SPEAKER_01]: st. North

[00:27:40] [SPEAKER_01]: The tooth fairies toothy on I didn't have the rights to the names of the

[00:27:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Dollars we can't call him Santa Claus. Well, it's like their proper name. Is that like the Easter Bunny is easter bunny mind?

[00:27:56] [SPEAKER_03]: I

[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Know it's based on a book and I'm sure that's where the books are. Yeah, it's still a dumb idea

[00:28:02] [SPEAKER_01]: But Jack Frost is still just Jack

[00:28:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Jonathan are frosted

[00:28:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Frostington

[00:28:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Do kids act this is a real question do kids actually believe in the Easter Bunny? That's not really a wait what I'm just like

[00:28:19] [SPEAKER_04]: That's the one to me and I asked you this during the movie

[00:28:23] [SPEAKER_04]: I just want other thoughts that like I get the kids do believe in the tooth fairy and Santa Claus

[00:28:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Do kids think the Easter Bunny is real when they are little my kids never did I never did

[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know that it like I want to say two very young kids will buy that

[00:28:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that were tooth fairy one of those

[00:28:45] [SPEAKER_04]: They're not they're just bringing eggs

[00:28:47] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know. We gotta hunt them doesn't make sense

[00:28:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, and like I feel like Easter Bunny like every family does Easter a little bit different

[00:28:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like by and large most people do Santa in a similar way

[00:29:01] [SPEAKER_01]: So when kids like talk about Santa they have this uniformity of it where Easter Bunny

[00:29:08] [SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of a free-for-all free for like I like my my Easter Bunny brought like legit gifts

[00:29:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Some people only do the Easter something Easter Easter Bunny only does to Easter a kind like it

[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like it's a pretty wide

[00:29:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Range of things that we just or bunny. The only thing is is because of the household I grew up in we didn't do like

[00:29:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Easter Bunny absolutely. Are you kidding me? Like absolutely not so I didn't know if it was just me

[00:29:30] [SPEAKER_04]: What if he brought tracks like this Easter Bunny this Easter Bunny that brings? Yes

[00:29:34] [SPEAKER_04]: I

[00:29:40] [SPEAKER_03]: There's a not good movie called hop where

[00:29:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Barton plays an adult who's way into the Easter Bunny

[00:29:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah

[00:29:47] [SPEAKER_03]: and and they they bend over backwards to try and give the Easter Bunny the same kind of

[00:29:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Mythic stature as Santa Claus. It's like no no

[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah

[00:29:56] [SPEAKER_04]: That's my thing is it doesn't line up with the rest of these like saying man

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_04]: You're not supposed to know about obviously Jack Frost is in its own world

[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_04]: My two actual weight what's are

[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_04]: these two

[00:30:08] [SPEAKER_04]: There's a 2002 movie called k-19 the Widowmaker and I never get a chance to talk about that movie and how ridiculous it is

[00:30:15] [SPEAKER_04]: But the the guy who is the captain of a Russian submarine?

[00:30:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Russian submarine is played by Harrison Ford

[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Han Solo, Indiana Jones

[00:30:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Alec Baldwin said hold my beer. You need a Russian Santa you need a Santa with a weird

[00:30:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Middle-e the I could not

[00:30:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Santa Claus in this movie. Mr. St. North or whatever. He's called I

[00:30:42] [SPEAKER_04]: couldn't

[00:30:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Talk about suspending your disbelief. I couldn't get to it. I couldn't get to where that is Santa

[00:30:49] [SPEAKER_04]: This guy's a nice and naughty tattoo and he's Russian and he's voiced by Alec Baldwin

[00:30:55] [SPEAKER_04]: And and I don't know. I don't know where what wheels were spun to

[00:31:02] [SPEAKER_04]: What we got here I it is the ultimate way what did this movie the first 20 minutes

[00:31:08] [SPEAKER_04]: I was like why Santa Russian and then 20 minutes in I went is that Alec Baldwin? Yes, it is

[00:31:14] [SPEAKER_04]: He can't I teen the Widowmaker did

[00:31:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Now does does Harrison Ford put any more effort into sounding Russian than say Sean Connery in the hunt for?

[00:31:25] [SPEAKER_04]: It's a pass because he's Sean Connery and everything and that is who he is

[00:31:29] [SPEAKER_04]: And that isn't that like there are early words that Denzel Washington uses his New York accent and gladiator to have I heard this

[00:31:37] [SPEAKER_04]: He's just basically Brooklyn slash training day Denzel American gangster

[00:31:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Once again, there are a few actors that can do that, you know

[00:31:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Sure, John Wayne all the day can do that thing

[00:31:50] [SPEAKER_04]: But Alec Baldwin doing a Russian accent as Santa Claus is just a mad lib I never need

[00:31:57] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know what to tell you you could do two of those three two of those three things that I'm probably more interested

[00:32:05] [SPEAKER_04]: and then lastly and maybe

[00:32:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Producer Aaron Chase here and is a big fan of this movie. I'm sorry about how this is going

[00:32:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Remember earlier when I quit yeah, yeah, that wasn't in regard to this review, but now it is it stands

[00:32:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, maybe you can help answer this question for me and I this is an actual wait

[00:32:23] [SPEAKER_04]: What but I would love to hear that it's an it somebody in the chat said it's a top-tier Santa

[00:32:31] [SPEAKER_04]: You would not consider this a top-tier Santa

[00:32:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, okay. Thank you. Thank you a little bit of just normalcy restored. Have you seen Jack Frost?

[00:32:41] [SPEAKER_04]: I have I have seen Jack Frost as as hot and animated Jack Frost as I've ever seen

[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Here's something very yaoi about this Jack Frost that you know that that brand of like

[00:32:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Japanese anime that's like, you know about but pretty pretty boys

[00:33:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah falling in love and like, you know hugging a lot. Yeah, Jack Frost has that kind of

[00:33:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, they do this thing where the first time they mentioned and there's some wherever all the Guardians are

[00:33:08] [SPEAKER_04]: There's a group the tooth fairy or somebody they all start talking like oh my god Jack Frost was coming

[00:33:12] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, what's what the world and they show?

[00:33:15] [SPEAKER_03]: The tooth fairies are like literally a Twitter

[00:33:20] [SPEAKER_00]: And you're hanging out with weird Russian Santa and the Easter Bunny

[00:33:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Sandman has been taken or dissolved or whatever you want to call it diluted

[00:33:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Tooth fairy lost pretty much all her powers Santa lost pretty much all his powers

[00:33:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Easter Bunny lost all his powers and now his baby bunny

[00:33:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Jack Frost still has all his powers

[00:33:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Why

[00:33:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Because nobody believed in him before so his powers

[00:33:56] [SPEAKER_04]: His powers weren't derived from belief. Is that the answer that the movie is suggesting? I guess

[00:34:04] [SPEAKER_04]: So so his his powers are just separate the rest of the Guardians powers are from belief

[00:34:10] [SPEAKER_03]: His powers are from the more about we're about to unpack a whole ontological thing here because how did these guys get their powers in the first?

[00:34:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Place if nobody believed in them before they existed

[00:34:22] [SPEAKER_03]: He's a ghost basically he died. No one sees Jack Frost until Jamie does at the end of the movie

[00:34:27] [SPEAKER_03]: So our aren't relying upon the beliefs of children that buddy is a guardian. That's the whole thing

[00:34:32] [SPEAKER_04]: It's like every other Guardian they lose all their powers and now that one kid believes in him

[00:34:37] [SPEAKER_04]: It are his powers now contingent on the belief of children. Yeah, that was my one big head scratcher from this movie

[00:34:43] [SPEAKER_00]: So what you're saying is we need a rise of the Guardians to?

[00:34:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Not I

[00:34:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Think that Michelle Foucault should have written a book about this and now he's gone. So I don't know what we're gonna

[00:34:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Say da. I think

[00:34:57] [SPEAKER_00]: I guess what you're saying is do you just want a standalone Jack Frost movie?

[00:35:10] [SPEAKER_01]: For you if you're interested Aaron just manifest things on the podcast, there's also a

[00:35:15] [SPEAKER_03]: movie

[00:35:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Kind of horror than the Michael Keaton

[00:35:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Don't you don't want any part of this

[00:35:27] [SPEAKER_01]: It's time for what the homework. Yeah, so we're talking about

[00:35:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Questions we still have we already just talked about one big question. Do we have any more Alonzo?

[00:35:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that was my big one is like

[00:35:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Man in the moon creates Santa and Easter Bunny and stuff and presumably they are given the ability to do what they do and

[00:35:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Then have children believe in them. So it this movie does open up a whole chicken-egg conundrum here

[00:35:53] [SPEAKER_04]: God creates dinosaurs God destroys dinosaurs God writes man you get it

[00:35:58] [SPEAKER_03]: The man of the moon create a rock so big that even he can't that's right

[00:36:02] [SPEAKER_01]: If you believe but to that point like, you know, what is the man in the moon's?

[00:36:07] [SPEAKER_01]: You know

[00:36:09] [SPEAKER_01]: What's his responsibility and all this clearly he can he picks the Guardians?

[00:36:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he predestines him if you will

[00:36:19] [SPEAKER_01]: and

[00:36:20] [SPEAKER_01]: When he when he says, okay Jack Frost is going to be now

[00:36:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Guardian Jack Frost has been transported to the North with no no say if he wants to go or not

[00:36:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Floats there it feels like the man and the moon can do a lot and at the same time

[00:36:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Isn't doing nearly enough

[00:36:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Also, there was there was clearly winter before Jack Frost existed because that's how he dies

[00:36:50] [SPEAKER_03]: So what specifically is Jack Frost?

[00:36:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Job apart from they're like put ice designs on things. Yeah, just prank

[00:36:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Some windows

[00:37:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I am realizing though and talking about the man of the moon like why Alonzo's an atheist it's all like

[00:37:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Tracking now. Yeah, it's more questions than answers

[00:37:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Deal and now I'm talking about man in the moon. I'm like it all makes sense. I

[00:37:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Ask you

[00:37:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Mine is also an existential question. It's very clear that

[00:37:27] [SPEAKER_04]: So we're not showing it to our kids. This is all this is

[00:37:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Is it's very clear that when they can't completely kill?

[00:37:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Pitch black they can't kill that guy that the boogeyman or whatever we call, right?

[00:37:39] [SPEAKER_04]: And so is there some rule of like they're needing that balance clearly

[00:37:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Clearly the movie states by not stating it that there is a need for bad dreams in the boogeyman

[00:37:51] [SPEAKER_04]: That's what they're saying by the fact that they have him

[00:37:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Completely contained but they cannot destroy him

[00:37:58] [SPEAKER_01]: The story somewhere on the back of the DVD cover

[00:38:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Claims that the movie features Jack Frosty is to burn a Santa Claus and tooth fairy and salmon together for the first time

[00:38:06] [SPEAKER_01]: However, all these characters appear in the Santa Claus

[00:38:14] [SPEAKER_04]: But this movie is way better than the Santa Claus three well it does clear that on the floor bar

[00:38:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Come on Brandon best day brand get out of here. You're full of it. We're back next week

[00:38:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Tracers

[00:38:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, is that it tracers or trancers trancers?

[00:38:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Trancers, where's it? Prancer tracer? It's prancer tray prancer tracers. It might be prancer actually

[00:38:46] [SPEAKER_01]: trancers

[00:38:48] [SPEAKER_01]: 1984

[00:38:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay

[00:38:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, why not somehow

[00:38:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm saying this and the two that like put their heads together for the

[00:39:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Both like I have guesses as good as mine

[00:39:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Tracers 1984. There you go. Oh, this is a sci-fi action film. Oh and and it is a Christmas movie

[00:39:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, just checking. Yes. It's a whopping 76 minutes long. Oh, let's go. Let's go

[00:39:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Directed by Charles four stars four stars. I can't wait. I'm very excited about Helen Hunt in it. Okay. All right

[00:39:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, did you say Charles band? Oh, we're in for it then

[00:39:28] [SPEAKER_01]: We will be back then for that. And of course stand you and I guess what we'll be here tomorrow

[00:39:32] [SPEAKER_01]: What tomorrow until then it was first to wish you a Merry Christmas

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