Snow (ABC Family - 2004) ft. Ryan Pappolla

[00:00:01] Hi, I'm Brannon. I love ABC Family Christmas movies. Hi, I'm Ryan. I like ABC Family Christmas movies. Hi, I'm Dan and I guess I despise ABC Family Christmas movies and this is the Deck The Hallmark Podcast. Deck The Hallmark, it's his podcast. Fa la la la la.

[00:00:21] And friends host his podcast. Fa la la la la. We hope you like this jolly podcast. Fa la la la la. No, no, no, no, no. Not today. Not today. No, no. No. Absolutely not. Talking to Ryan. Yeah. Go. Not today. Hey everybody, welcome to Deck The Hallmark.

[00:00:50] Christmas in July edition going back in the old time machine. Yes, because normally we only watch movies that came out this week. That's right. The ABC Family back in 2004. And if you're not watching on Philo, philo.tv slash DTH,

[00:01:05] we're speaking with Ryan Popola who owns a motocross t-shirt. That's right. Yeah, shout out. Shout out to Instagram bootleggers. I don't remember which one I got this from. Motocross merch. He owns a motocross t-shirt. What a sick shirt. What a shirt it is. You've never been cuter.

[00:01:24] I mean, just adorable. This guy. Just adorable. Our episode of Motocross will be coming soon. It comes out this Friday. That's exactly right. And then next Friday, Ryan, you're going to be joining us to talk about luck of the Irish,

[00:01:34] which we are doing this weekend at Bramble Fest, among many, many other things. Very excited about this weekend and very excited to hang out with you, Ryan. Back at you. I found a dog last year at Bramble Fest. That's right, which extended your trip three days. Roughly.

[00:01:56] You had to drive a car back. 17 hours and then I went on TV right after. It was great. It was great though because I got to have you over for dinner. It was wonderful. Yeah, there you go. Dan didn't invite me over. Yeah, sure didn't.

[00:02:09] I was out of town to be fair. No, no, no. That's not what he said. No, both were very hospitable. Yeah, no, I can't wait. I'm packing as we speak. It's gonna be great. Well, we're actually talking. We're speaking right now.

[00:02:21] There's no way that you're packing right now. I don't think so anyway. And I don't want to again talk about Let's Potter Parade too many times. Is it the best thing I've ever done? Maybe. I think it might be.

[00:02:35] But we have a new Let's Potter Parade coming out soon, very soon. And I also want to tease that not in this episode, not in this upcoming episode, but in future episodes of Let's Potter Parade, Ryan, you and I will have a uniform and it is wonderful.

[00:02:55] How much money did the company spend on this? Actually, great question first of all. At the worst, it was going to be like 50 bucks. Okay. But I got refunded. What?

[00:03:09] Because we thought I got lost in the mail and I was like, hey, I got lost in the mail. What's going on here? Because it just wasn't updated. So they refunded you and then it came. And then it came the next day. Wow. That's a win right there.

[00:03:20] That's a classic Bran can't get in trouble for this scenario. Can't get in trouble for it. And to be fair, I said, I think it's been lost in the mail. But if it comes, I'll send it back to you or I'll give you the money back or whatever.

[00:03:34] And it was like, just keep it no matter what. Wow. This company is even above and beyond Electronic Bay. I mean, if you think I'm adorable in this motocross or just wait to see me. I can't wait. It's very exciting, but also don't run a conference lunch parade.

[00:03:50] If you want to get started potting parades, it's a good time. Brian, tell everybody kind of where you're at when it comes to so many different circumstances and things. Circumstances and things. Yes. Solid seven brand. I thought you might be. I was thinking he'd be in the.

[00:04:11] Now tell everybody your history with the movie Snow 2004. That you own like a monster. If only you had a what was it? VHS to Blu-ray combo. Yeah, I have a VHS to DVD combo. The Blu-ray combo is tough to obtain.

[00:04:31] I'd rather you guys just not keep bringing it up, but it's fine. No, listen, I don't know if I watch snow live on first airing, but I definitely I bought it on physical media and much like holiday in handcuffs. I watched for many, many years.

[00:04:45] I will tell you that snow has fallen out of the yearly rotation for quite some years now. Okay, I also want to ask you this. Got it. I'm sure you heard a lot.

[00:04:56] I heard I'm sure you heard a lot of feedback from people last week about your disastrous. Did you pray about it and realize you were wrong on the movie? What would we do? Mistletoe. Hyphen tones. Yes. Have you thought about it more? Have you prayed about it?

[00:05:12] I've seen nothing but positive affirmation in regards to my. Wow. Yeah. Elizabeth Cullen reached out to me directly to say that she thought that was one of the better episodes we've ever done. I, you know, it's like, well, the episode is great.

[00:05:25] I think it was primarily because of my POV. Now you think it was because of your POV? Well, no, listen, it's a team effort here. We're the team effort, but you think it was a great episode of your POV. We call it a team movie, man. This guy.

[00:05:41] No, no, no. Listen, guys, I'm supposed to be like the lovable psychic. I don't like the path we're going down. Let's let's talk about other things. Just just this guy. Let's talk snow. How about yeah, snow? Not the substance. No, I mean, we can talk about that, too.

[00:05:56] It's pretty dope, huh? Yeah, I'm not mad at it. You like it? I like it. Yeah, I'm a big fan. Yeah, I thought you might. Snow, December 13th, 2004 on ABC Family. And I want to look something like this.

[00:06:09] Sandy Brooks is looking for a Christmas tree that'll fit on the inside of her Jeep. She finds one. It's a little dinker. Cut to the North Pole where Nick, son of Santa, maybe is Santa, is feeding the reindeer when he realizes that a reindeer named Buddy is missing.

[00:06:33] We see some dude like Dart Buddy, like just out of the woods. Buddy got him. He's good. Buddy's good. But Buddy is now not at the North Pole. Back to Sandy. She works at the craziest zoo ever, complete with elephant rides. And now, reindeer.

[00:06:53] While she's giving a tour, this dude runs up to her out of nowhere, and she does not seem to like him. He is the dude that shot the reindeer. He's responsible for that. She doesn't know that.

[00:07:07] He dropped the reindeer off at the zoo because I guess he's really into Sandy and wanted to show her that he can... How cool it can be to poach animals. Well, no, this is a... He did not poach this animal.

[00:07:20] He got it in the right way, is what he says. That's what he says. That's what he says. Sandy hates him though because traditionally he does poach animals. So Nick figures out where the reindeer is.

[00:07:31] And obviously we all know how this works, but uses the mirror portal system where if you're in the North Pole, you have snow, you go through a portal and bada bing, bada boom, you can go wherever you want.

[00:07:47] And so he gets to where he is now, where Sandy is, the zoo, and is a bit taken by Sandy, understandably. And so he follows her home, not understandably. Nick meets Lorna, who I believe is like the landlady of the place she and others live.

[00:08:11] Their dwelling is a house with multiple tenants in it. And Lorna is one of them. That's right. And Nick is going to stay there as well. She finds Nick to be a bit weird seeing as how he has arctic moss in his pockets.

[00:08:27] But he's going to stick around partly because of Buddy. Buddy doesn't know how to fly yet. And also I got to figure out the mirror system. How do I get a mirror to where the reindeer is? Yes. But also because he's crushing, crushing hard.

[00:08:39] He gets help from a kid at the I call him kid of the century. His name's Hector. Kid of the century. I know it was a tough battle. I know. I know. Well, it was 76 years left in the century. You're right. That's an early gift.

[00:08:55] When do we revisit? Man. How about kid of the decade? Kid of the decade. I think pretty easily. Yeah. Great. Kid of the decade. His name is Hector. I'm sorry. I realized I made a mistake. I give him kid of the quarter century. We've not seen 2025 yet.

[00:09:10] I give it to him. Wow. That's early. Hector finds out that he's Santa and basically blackmails them into letting him help with the reindeer situation. He tries to make Sandy happy by decorating her house with all of her mom's old Christmas decorations.

[00:09:28] And at first she's mad, but then she looks and what does she see, Dan? What does she see, Bran? Christmas. Christmas. And if that doesn't do it, I don't know what will. They have a Christmas party. They slow dance.

[00:09:40] They kiss, but then they get a call that Buddy is missing. It is time for him to finally come clean to Sandy. He pulls her through a mirror and she is like, you're Santa. Wow. This is amazing. Sees the workshop and all that good stuff.

[00:09:59] So bad guy Buck from the beginning, if you recall, is now committed to catching Buddy because he apparently owns some guy a poached animal. Yes. Don't ask. He's selling. He's selling the reindeer for big money. And so he is chasing after Buddy.

[00:10:19] Buddy's running through town, jumping all around, looking great, by the way, CGI reindeer. And it's at this point that they have figured out where Buddy's going to be. They set up the mirror, but it's by a bridge and the bridge starts going up.

[00:10:35] You know, it's one of those bridges that goes up. What do you call those? Draw bridges. You got it. And the bridge is being drawn. Drawn. Drawn. Yes. It's not being drawed. There's nobody out there drawing the bridge. Could be. With a pen. And so, uh, drawed? Drawn.

[00:10:54] Drawn. So, uh. Drown. At this point, Buddy is now faced with a large gap. But Buck's right behind him. Buck is about to shoot. And Buddy runs, takes a leap. And just as the dart is about to hit his booty, he flies. He finally gets his flying flies.

[00:11:18] And he flies up and right through the mirror. He's back where he goes. It's supposed to go. And so now it is time for Nick to talk to Sandy about the future. And he's like, I would like for you to come with me. And she says, I can't.

[00:11:31] I have a zoo. I have a zoo. I bought a zoo. What am I supposed to do? I'm sorry. So it's Christmas night and she feels like she's made a huge mistake. So Nick shows up and they tell each other that they love each other, of course.

[00:11:47] And she would like to now go to North Pole. Forget the zoo. And that, my friends, was snow! Oh, we did it. We did do it. Drawn. Drawn. Drawn. Drawn. Easy. It's an easy one. We're gonna take a quick break.

[00:12:05] When we come back, we're gonna break this movie down here on... Take the Hallmark! Welcome back, everybody. We're talking about snow. 2004 ABC Family. How did we come about this? Like getting here, like mistletoes, Halloween handcuffs. Are these the next two most popular from the genre of ABC Family?

[00:12:34] 2000s. Well, we've done a couple of them. We did the Mark Paul Gosselaar. Yeah, I wish we could have done that. Yeah. So I mean, we're really... Snow was on the list. And then Ryan requested that we follow it up with Snow 2. Gotcha.

[00:12:52] And just an early, not spoiler, like not because I think Snow 2 is a classic or anything. Just it felt like the right symmetry to be had. Right. Yeah, the completest. There are other ABC Families to do and maybe we'll do them next year. Gotcha. Okay.

[00:13:07] But let's talk about Snow. Ryan, obviously you've seen this movie. You talked about it. And so I would love to hear your thoughts on this movie now that you've seen it in 2024. With the 2024 glasses on, what's your hot take on this year movie?

[00:13:20] Yeah, I think it's really pleasant. I think the goal of these made for TV Christmas movies may be more... Oh man, look the way Dan's looking at me right now. I think the way... The goal of these movies more than anything else... You think something's pleasant, Ryan? Yeah.

[00:13:31] I'm not here to tell you I think it's as good as Holiday in Handcuffs or even the Mark Paul number we just mentioned or any other great goated Hallmark movie. Or Mistletones? Yeah, Mistletones is better than Snow. So I mean, like yeah.

[00:13:44] So I think this film is pleasant. I think it creates characters and settings that we want to immerse ourselves in and forget about the problems of our lives. I think Ashley Williams, I'd never seen her before this. I think she's great. And then... Never seen her before this?

[00:13:57] Whenever I saw this first 2000, anywhere between 2000 and 2000. Oh, the first time. I got you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, I think she's great. I think Sandy is such a fun character. Hector, kid of the decade at least. Yeah. For sure.

[00:14:12] And then Kavanaugh, I feel like Santa's maybe a tad too strange and I'll tell you why in a minute, but Kavanaugh is great. And I think he's like blissfully bizarre throughout the whole thing.

[00:14:23] It's wild that Buck is the same guy that Kelly Kapowski fools around with in the college years. That's her professor. What a career that guy's had. Well, he was in Better Call Saul. He's amazing in Better Call Saul. Yeah, he had a good arc on Veronica Mars.

[00:14:39] I'm not trying to be funny. He's had a really good, interesting, wild career. He's the character among the worst people in any of these made for TV Christmas movies ever. Just an awful, awful, awful person. But I don't know if I have a ton to say.

[00:14:52] I think the film is pleasant. I give them credit for not trying to reinvent the wheel. I like the film. I love Ashley Williams in it. That's my take, Brian. Great take, Ryan. This movie is too weird to not at least enjoy. It is...

[00:15:12] I don't know how you come up with a plot like this where anybody could come up with Santa comes to America and falls in love with a woman. A single Santa seeks his claws.

[00:15:25] But such a big part of the plot is that there's a new reindeer, doesn't know how to fly yet. There's a mirror portal. Mirror, several. And so that's good to do. There is a guy named Buck that poaches animals. That's right. And sells them on the black market.

[00:15:47] But also has a crush with a woman who's very much about animal conservation and works at a zoo. It is a wild movie, a wild premise, and it's a really good time. Is it the best one we've seen this month from ABC Family? No.

[00:16:04] Is it the second best one we've seen from ABC Family this month? No. So that makes it the worst. But the worst of this month is better than other months best from Hallmark.

[00:16:19] I mean, I guess there has to be a month where Hallmark threw four movies out there. I can think of a few. I can think of a few this year. I love that these ABC Family films have made Dan so obnoxiously pro-Hallmark. No, I don't...

[00:16:34] No one can compete with the magic of Hallmark. Quick time out. What we got in Holiday in Handcuffs, I said at the time was a just above average Hallmark. It was above average. That's what I said Holiday in Handcuffs was.

[00:16:52] It was above average Hallmark, but the best Hallmark is still better. Then I said The Mistletoes was way better than Holiday in Handcuffs. So that is not my take at all. At all. It's not what Brandon and I heard. Of course it's not what you heard. Unfreeze.

[00:17:13] Ra Gai said this movie was pleasant. I would say that it's pleasantly terrible. This is a movie that has great performances. Ashley Williams is always a joy and a delight, and she's having the time of her life here. Tom Cavanagh is a pro. He's fantastic. Patrick Fabian, great.

[00:17:34] Bobby J Thompson as Hector, kid of the decade at least. We've already said that. The film is packed with just zaniness and good performances, but it's basically like 25 year old Ashley Williams having two creepy 40 year olds vying for her affection. That's what this movie is.

[00:17:56] Underneath all the craziness that was mentioned by Bran, it's two really creepy dudes that are 60% older than her. Vying for her affection. And it just wears kind of weird. The wait, what's are a plenty in this movie. You're right, Bran.

[00:18:15] You couldn't dream up this premise because it doesn't make any sense at all. It feels like they are making it up as they go along to the point. And I'm sure we'll really plant and spend some time on this in the way what department, but

[00:18:27] there's a reindeer that flies the sleigh that isn't named one of the reindeer that you know and love. We will get there. But it's a wild premise and Ashley Williams and Tom Cavanaugh and Patrick Fabian and Bobby J Thompson, these folks make it work even when it shouldn't.

[00:18:46] But it's a mess of a movie and I would be fine not seeing it again. But I will say kudos to ABC Family for in 2004 going let's give CGI reindeer a try. Yeah.

[00:18:57] And like honestly, there was no one at ABC Family was like going over these with a fine tooth cope. It's evident that they were like, do gets arrested by the girl for Christmas. Do it. Shoot it. Go for it. They're over there just saying yes.

[00:19:15] We haven't had the subprime lending crisis yet. The housing bubble hasn't burst. They're just like, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. They're just out here doing it. No vetting. I mean, if you take imagine like a side conversation between the gas station attendant holiday and

[00:19:29] handcuffs and Buck. Oh my gosh. That movie is illegal. That conversation happens in jail. Nowhere else. Nowhere else. Let's get all the feels we're talking about. Like Tom Cavanagh's character wasn't creepy as well. I want to be totally. Yeah.

[00:19:44] OK, and that's why I think they probably should have toned. And there's another reason for this. I think they probably should have toned his weirdness back at least 30 percent. At least at least a minimum of 30. Yeah. Go ahead, Brian.

[00:19:57] It's time for all the feels we're talking about what this movie gave us feels Ryan. I have a couple of things that I think are nice. The one thing I quickly want to hone in on the dinner scene at the whatever it is, the compound really great.

[00:20:11] As good as any other way. I may as well be in this movie. Mick telling the story of Santa at the zoo. Really nice. Those two scenes, I think, are very, very nice in a movie that doesn't necessarily give you

[00:20:21] a ton of feels because of how strange it is. But I would say the biggest feel that I had was then quickly kind of axed. I love that Sandy slaps Buck so early in the movie because he's so wildly inappropriate. But then she apologizes. I don't like that.

[00:20:35] She apologized. This gets worse in Snow to if I'm being honest. It's fine if you want to make Buck despicable, but they don't try to redeem him. But like, I don't think we hit hard enough.

[00:20:45] The fact that he's like really, really they bring Buck back for snow to. Yeah. Which is like, oh, that's bad. We'll get there when we get there. But yeah, it's a real brain freeze. That is a real brain freeze if I've ever seen one.

[00:21:00] So there's some occasionally you see something in a Christmas movie, especially in regards to Santa. And you kind of add that to the that could be lore. And a lot of it for me comes from Santa Claus, Tim Allen. That's just how it works. That's the North Pole.

[00:21:16] Yeah. Now, the thing that this movie does, which is an interesting concept when it comes to the toy situation, is that Santa makes one of each toy and then the bag can duplicate it throughout the night. And that's an intriguing concept.

[00:21:37] It's an intriguing concept in the lore that is Santa Claus for how he does what he does. And I didn't expect to get that from this movie like an actual like, oh, that's interesting. I've never really thought about that for a possibility for how it happens.

[00:21:50] Throw it on the lore. Throw it on the lore. Dano. We've already said this several times, but Bobby J. Thompson, who plays Hector. Talking about kid of the decade. Is a delight in this movie.

[00:22:04] It also he also made me like watching him made me remember one of my favorite comedies, Role Models. He is in that movie as well. And I'd forgotten how funny that movie was. He's great.

[00:22:15] He steals every scene he's in almost worth giving this movie a recommendation just so you can watch this kid do his thing. It isn't, but almost so good for Bobby J. Thompson. You like Fred Claus, Ryan? I don't think I've seen it all the way through that.

[00:22:31] There's a reason you stopped. Yeah, he's in Fred Claus. Yeah, he is. Oh, wow. What are those? I think that's pretty close to this. Like what a run of Christmas. I know. I know. That's pretty crazy. I love Fred Claus. I love Fred Claus.

[00:22:46] You can listen to me and Alonzo talk about it a couple years ago on morning Mondays. Morning Mondays. That's what we call it. 25 weeks of Christmas. Let's take a quick break. We'll come back. We'll get to the way what here on Deck the Hallmark.

[00:23:07] Hello to my friends, my family, my compadres. Welcome back to Deck the Hallmark. It is great to be here today talking about Snow from 2004. Topical new fresh. It's time for the way what is we talk about what people don't listen to this 20 year old movie review.

[00:23:27] I don't know what's dumb. Let's talk about the way what's right. Anything in this movie to go away? What it's pretty, pretty airtight like a Ziploc, but don't get me started on. I invented last week was bad. The Ziploc ordeal of 2023. I haven't really.

[00:23:49] Ryan is such a big fan of hefty that company. That's the problem. He's in the back pocket of big hefty. Doing it right now. He is. Like, that's the thing is what you offer. You talk to this guy on the phone.

[00:23:59] He mentions hefty a dozen times an hour like early and often early and often have to. Shout out to my good friends at hefty. So this is I don't even know if this fits. I just want it just in case we don't say it.

[00:24:12] The one scene where you see all the taxidermy. That's nuts. Yeah, that's just. Even by like, just nuts like. So there's that. I'll save some of the more more cuckoo banana stuff for you guys. But like Nick is talk taking the key of Sandy's key chain.

[00:24:30] He's got to do a thing early on in the movie. He's attempt to be. He's attempting to be quiet. And at one point he shushes the key chain, which only makes more. He shushes like. You mean he shushes? Would it not be shushes? You said shushes.

[00:24:45] I think you're saying either way. It's not a real word. It's not a tomato or a sound. No shushes. You can say it's not. It's a sound. Say I shushed you. You shushed him. You didn't shush him. How often in common conversation are you hearing anyone say that?

[00:25:01] I have eight year old boys. I say shush all the time. Try shush. I won't try shush. Try shush on. If you go to a screening of Inside Out 2 in the greater Connecticut area.

[00:25:11] You got to get shushed by a grown man there to see Inside Out 2 with no kids. That's what might happen. No way that happened. So either way, he made Tom Cavanaugh made more noise. So shushed him.

[00:25:27] Ashley and Tom, I do think, although I think this is my problem with what is the real reason why I think Santa Nick was too weird. They have a really good chemistry. They're fun to watch together. Ashley Williams is so good with the screwball comedy. That's Tom's deal.

[00:25:42] It's really good. But if you really think about this, what the heck are these two going to talk about come December 26? They're going to a North Pole where there's no elves. There's just a couple of reindeer. What are these two going to talk about?

[00:26:00] That's maybe a what the hallmark, but I find that very strange. And then last one for me, this is the biggest one of the movie, one of my bigger ones of all time. Buck and the mob boss guy, they see the flying reindeer.

[00:26:11] And first of all, they're both very calmly like, well, that's pretty unique that a reindeer is flying. Apparently they've seen that before. And then the mob boss guy tries to barter him down on the price of trying to hunt this

[00:26:24] thing as if doing anything in relation to flying reindeer wouldn't be a once in a lifetime experience worth all the money in the world. Those are my weight. I've seen a flying reindeer for the first time in my life. Could you go half of your cost?

[00:26:37] How about five grand? Yeah, that's right. Yeah, I've got a few one Hector kid of the year. We've talked about a decade. Yeah, quarter century, quarter century for sure. Century century in his first scene jokes with adult Ashley Williams about making out with

[00:26:57] him and well, it's like, what is this blank check? Am I right? Guys just didn't see it coming. Probably closer to her age than Tom Cavanaugh. Yes, but one's illegal. And what is not?

[00:27:15] Buck when he's introduced, she's on a golf cart doing a tour and he's like, hey, hey, he starts running after he gets very close to this golf cart and then gives up. My guy gave up so quickly.

[00:27:28] He did all the hard work and there was nothing I could do here. And I just say either commit or don't commit. At what point I think it's Nick when talking about Buck says that I will knock him into the Bay of funding. Yeah, the Bay of funding.

[00:27:42] And I don't know what that means. Someone correct. Ryan, you got anything? No, nothing. The funding. That's what we heard. We couldn't we could the Bay of funding caption this bad boy. They get to the North Pole. He's showing her how sad it is up there.

[00:27:59] And she's like, you're you're the son of Santa. And they look at this painting and it's like, guys, he's like, can we not get a better painting of Santa? Like, we got guys, we got to work on that.

[00:28:14] That was a disaster, a disastrous painting for and I would I don't know, maybe I'm low balling it. The most powerful man in the world in the world. We did get a good painting in the chat. Langley and Emily, the Bay of Fundy is in Canada.

[00:28:29] And that's why we do this. And that's why how we know that the town is in Canada. Last but not least, he is telling once he starts telling people he's Santa, he can't stop. He can't. He tells so many people he's Santa.

[00:28:44] He shows so many people the mirror. And I feel like that goes against the code of Santa Claus. But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm wrong. Dano? Yeah, a couple of things.

[00:28:55] Obviously, when you go to the zoo and you take your kids to the zoo, like do your research on if the zoo is a good zoo, like a zoo that cares about animals and treats them humanely

[00:29:07] and is doing what's right through rehabilitation and not just there to make money. That goes without saying. This zoo is just taking reindeer. They're not asking any questions. The guy that brought him a reindeer just lied to them. They didn't ask to see any paperwork.

[00:29:26] They didn't call anybody. They're like, oh, you've got reindeer. We will take reindeer. Great. Doesn't seem above board to me, especially when the guy is wearing a bullseye shirt. This guy, how do we know it's bad? He's wearing a bullseye shirt.

[00:29:42] He's wearing a shirt that just has a bullseye on it. Weird thing to wear, bro. Weird thing to wear to show how much you love shooting animals. Weird, weird, weird, weird is all I'm saying.

[00:29:53] The guy that works at the zoo that's supposed to be comic relief, but never draws a single laugh from a whole movie long. You know, these two guys laugh louder than they laughed anytime he was on screen.

[00:30:04] Honestly, Dan, he's so unfunny that I forgot about him until this moment. He's so bad. Was 30 Rock on the air yet when this had happened? Because that's what they were going for, right? No, he was not. 30 Rock was not on the air. Not till like, oh, six.

[00:30:17] And this is oh, four. Well, that's still, he wasn't funny. First lines as he's closing up is all the monkeys are accounted for. Is this a problem? Are they, are there times when the monkeys are not accounted for?

[00:30:30] Like, are there nights where they're like, we can only find three of these bad boys. They must be like, what do we do? You have to go around and do aren't the cages pretty contained? Like we don't need to account for the monkeys. I don't know, man.

[00:30:42] Like people are riding elephants and stuff at this zoo. Rain deer just flying around. Very willy nilly. Yeah. Uh, speaking of accounting for reindeer, uh, the guy buck that steals the reindeer. He has at a random airport hanger, a fully enclosed cage to keep the reindeer in one

[00:31:04] with a roof on it. Yeah. It is 20 feet tall, 12, at least 20 feet tall, massive. Who are you, dude? I mean, I get it. If you have a cage for animals that you're selling on the black market, but one with

[00:31:20] a roof on it for the flying ones, you are prepared at a level that only serial killers are. Are you Joe Goldberg? Like, dude, you just take a breath. It's all I'm saying. Who's Joe Goldberg? He's the TV show. You. Okay.

[00:31:38] Uh, he's the serial killer in you and he has a glass case. He keeps people in. Oh, so they got it from this. Yeah. Maybe, maybe they stole it from this. I bet. Yeah. Maybe only Goldberg. I know is from Mighty Ducks.

[00:31:48] Also shocked that neither of you super shock. Neither of you knew the Joe Goldberg reference. Yeah. That you two weren't watching you. Um, the son of Santa can, can travel through mirrors, you know, Goldberg's from Mighty Ducks, right? Right. Oh, man. Goldberg. Goldberg from WCW, obviously. Sure.

[00:32:10] Real quick though. Now's not the time, but like Bombay, like what are you thinking? Goldberg's on a cold streak. Put in Julie, the cat before the last shot. The junior Julie, the cat is not in there is full misogyny.

[00:32:25] Julie, the cat's miles better than Goldberg as a goalie. It's exactly. I mean, Bombay just in general also like let's, let's not dress Charlie Conway on the biggest state and he's maybe the fourth best player on the team. Some really questionable coaching decisions.

[00:32:38] What if we give from Gordo Bombay, we give Julie, the cat and an eating diet side story. What if we do that for Julie, the cat instead of have her be the goalie because she's better. You know what? D three might be better. What's crazy.

[00:32:52] You're starting to talk me into it. What's crazy about Mighty Ducks. Like when you're, when, when I was a kid, like I was under the impression, like I was like, oh yeah. Uh, not Bombay. Uh, Charlie's Charlie's the star of the Mighty Ducks squad.

[00:33:07] And then you watch it back later after some time ago, he's not good. He's not a good hockey. He's not a good hockey. Banks is the guy. Banks is the guy. No, Charlie's a good hockey player. He's just not the best time. But he's not.

[00:33:17] I, I, I don't know. I think you could, you could pick five better hockey player. And there's a guy against Iceland who doesn't know how to skate and they sit Charlie Conway before the guy who doesn't know how to stop skating. I'm not saying that's a good idea.

[00:33:32] I'm just saying, I think that we could pick five better hockey players. Is it woo or is it Mendoza? It's a Benny. Uh, it's with Mendoza. Mendoza. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. With that said, Julie, the cat is the second best player on the Mighty Ducks. The better goalie. Yeah.

[00:33:51] But like I would go banks, Julia cat in terms of best players on the mighty. Yes. For our Mighty Ducks podcast, when we're done watching the movies, we'll rank these at some point. And obviously those two are the best. Everyone else is a specialist.

[00:34:03] Knuckle puck Fulton just hits it hard. The bash brothers. They're the, they're the, I guess. Yeah. Cause Charlie is really, it's really a triple D flying V banks is it banks. Then Julie, the best player. Yes. Yeah. I'm just saying there were Dwayne.

[00:34:19] I mean, he's, he's, he's roping people. Charlie Conway should have been on the ice over Dwayne. This Yee Haw BS sit in the stands, Dwayne. Yeah. Who do you want to do? Third line. Those are the kids. Stop skating. Who do you want in your third line?

[00:34:37] The guy from Dawson's Creek or the sea character from ride. Do you like, you know, he's got a triple D. This guy is just boom. How are from King of the Hill as a teenager? What are the, what are we doing?

[00:34:48] Bombay says one day we're not going to practice at all. Dwayne, get out there. Rope them up. Rope them up. Rope us a rope them up day. We gotta, we gotta make this talk matter guys.

[00:34:58] I don't know how we got to, um, Santa can travel through mirrors, but still needs keys to open doors. You explain that one for me. Everybody's got a gosh, darn mirror. Everybody's got a GD mirror. It is easy travel through mirror. Unless that's not how it works.

[00:35:14] Maybe all mirrors lead to North pole. All leaders lead to North pole. Okay, great. Cause this is snow. Good to know. It's called snow. Um, this is a pretty big one for me. All these kids are getting rowdy. They're waiting on Santa. They were promised Santa.

[00:35:27] Santa's not here. What do you know about kids and Santa? They want Santa to be there so they can talk to him and ask him for a present. Cause they think he's real. They, they lose Santa and then Tom Kavanaugh steps in and he pretends to be Santa.

[00:35:39] He walks in the room and the kids go nuts and immediately do they for a form a line to see him be rush him to try to tell him what toy they want or see chant for a story.

[00:35:54] These kids are perfectly content to not see Santa Claus, but to all as a group goes story story, which is some of the weirdest behavior I've ever seen from children in all honesty. Um, that's not what would happen there at all.

[00:36:09] And it happened here and it was really, really weird. Um, speaking of weird, uh, the lack of respect for Santa in this movie is crazy. And if I'm telling you it's crazy, it's crazy. Numerous different people that play Santa just pull their beards down in front of children

[00:36:24] to talk to them. It is a complete, no one even tries. No one even tries a voice. No one even tries a Santa voice throughout the movie. It's just like, this is my voice. Let me pull down the beard. It's getting a little scratchy. It's crazy.

[00:36:38] It's crazy that any kid believes in Santa by the time this movie is over. And then lastly, at the end of this movie, they're delivering presents and buddy is one of the reindeer in the sleigh like this, this drive in the sleigh. And they say there's eight.

[00:36:54] We know the reindeer. We know them. Do you know what? Prince of Vixen comic Cupid, Donna Blitzen. That's exactly right. That's exactly right. That's a dancer. Prince of Prince of comic comic. I could do this all day. And here's the thing.

[00:37:09] If that movie is good for something, it's you guys knowing the reindeer. That's the only reason I know the reindeer. But here's the thing. Genuinely. Yes. We know all those, those, you would, even you would say brand big Christmas movie guy

[00:37:21] that the reindeer and their names are pretty iconic. Yeah. Who's buddy replacing buddy? There's still just eight bad news about dancing it in here. Yeah. Bad news about dancer. You didn't hear that's exactly right.

[00:37:34] But having a reindeer they're training to fly the sleigh is insinuating that one reindeer isn't hacking it like can't, can't do it. And that is wild. That happens in this movie. Dancing got benched for Julie, the cat situation. A guy calls up Martin mall.

[00:37:55] He doesn't know the reindeer. He says, just says, let me give it a try. Way wrong. Tito Jermaine. I know who it is. Yeah. I love that. You guys love that movie thrilled for you. It's so good. I haven't seen it since the field.

[00:38:13] I like, I don't like, I don't know how to make it happen, Ryan, but we need to watch that movie together. Yeah. We just in, in the same room holding hands and eating popcorn. 100%.

[00:38:24] I mean, we could just, I mean, I'm going to be down in a couple of days. We can just watch it for kicks and games. You know, like, oh man, I love that idea. That's all I got, Brent.

[00:38:35] What if we, what if we do a special ticket to the tape of that? Yeah. Me, you, Ryan. Yeah. I'm in. It's time for the hallmark story. Wonder what could have been maybe helping get some clarity to any questions that we still have after watching this.

[00:38:50] I think we all have a lot of questions, but Ryan, anything in particular sticking out that you would like some answers to. So this is another slight spoiler for brain freeze, which I have already watched already at the recording of this podcast of us doing the first one.

[00:39:03] Um, probably mainly because he aged out, but Hector as no, it's not in the, it's not in the sequel. They kept buck, but Hector doesn't make an appearance. None of the, none, none of the folks from the house, whatever the rent situation was that equal.

[00:39:19] And I just hope they're all doing okay. I just hope they're all happy. And, uh, I hope that, uh, Tom and, uh, Ashley let them keep the lights so that they can feel like Christmas for him going forward.

[00:39:30] So we find out obviously, uh, in the North pole that Santa Nick, uh, does it all himself. It's a one man operation, basically an operation. Um, like, is he all right? Like, is he good? Like that's a, that's a pretty lonely life. I'm lonely. Very nicely done. Yeah.

[00:39:52] I'll play it. I'll cue it up. I, I, I worry about him and I just want to make sure that he, that, that he's okay. And Ryan was pitch perfect. There were, it was nicely done. The gift that keeps on giving really. Um, is he okay?

[00:40:16] It's all Santa. That's all I'm asking. Yeah. Santa is he okay? Uh, I have one that I can't believe no one asked and it is pretty straightforward. How did Buck get to North pole? And how did he bring reindeer back? Um, do you know the answer to that?

[00:40:31] Ryan Buck gets to North pole in this film, in the beginning, he shoots buddy and takes him with him from the North pole back. No, I thought that was at the zoo. What? Why would he shoot the reindeer at the zoo? Ranger at the zoo.

[00:40:49] And it's still there the next morning. Or maybe he's out in the wild. He's not, I can tell you, I can tell you, well, who knows? Maybe snow too. Isn't the gospel on this, but, uh, I don't believe Buck is in the North pole. So where is buddy?

[00:41:05] That's a great question, Dan. When he's shooting him. Well, I think buddy has to be at the, no, Buck has to be at the North pole because at the very least he is, cause I do think buddy, as soon as they realized buddy is lost, they

[00:41:17] go and find him at the San Ernesto zoo. How did he get there? Buck went to North pole and shot, or at least North pole adjacent. I guess possible buddy wandered off, but he's, he is shot in snow.

[00:41:28] Like there is no, I think buddy accidentally went through a mirror. I think cause cause Nick was training for his first run. Lost track of buddy went through a mirror. No, no watch the movie. Watched it for once in your gosh darn life. It is snowing outside.

[00:41:44] Buck is bundled up and he shoots buddy. Buck is not, but Buck is not at the North pole. Buck is at the North pole. What's that saying? I don't think he's at the North. Nobody wants to say he has an airport hanger, airplane hangar.

[00:41:58] So he probably flew up there. That's what they're saying. He flew to the North pole. I'm not saying that works. That's why it's by what the hallmark is. He, yeah. One of Santa's reindeer is kidnapped by big game. Hunter Buck Seeger. That is what it says.

[00:42:18] I don't know. It's snowing. It's literally the part of the movie. I can't see this. One of Santa's reindeer is kidnapped from, I don't know. Is there any clear marking that it's the North pole? Snow it, but Brian, the literal definition of the plot.

[00:42:40] One of Santa's reindeer is kidnapped by Buck Seeger. Look at him. He's do you see anybody else in this movie bundled up like that? No, he's at the North pole. Clearly not at the North pole is at the North pole. Well, actually Williams right now.

[00:42:56] Why is this so hard? Right? This movie is so wacky and zany and crazy. Why is this a hill you're dying on? I can't, I don't want, I'm telling you. I watched snow too last night and I don't think he was at the North pole.

[00:43:11] He's at the North pole period. You're going to watch. I'll see you Thursday. And I think you're going to, the first thing you're going to say is great to see you. Wow. I thought you were a little taller in person. I can't believe this guy.

[00:43:25] He wasn't at the North pole. He wasn't at the North pole. I'm telling you where do you, you're saying they rewrite history that when one of this is the synopsis I'm reading from the synopsis. When one of Santa's reindeer is kidnapped by big game hunter Buck Seager.

[00:43:41] So at the very least he was, he was somewhere. Yeah. But not the zoo. Kidnapping him from at the point that Buck shoots buddy. Buddy is with Santa. Where is Santa in a blizzard? We smash cut to the zoo right after we do.

[00:43:57] That's sunny and no snow anywhere. He's not at the North pole. He is telling you, man, I'm dead. I listen to me, man. He's not at the North pole. You can North pole. You can say he's not all you want to because of snow too.

[00:44:12] Whatever we're saying is in snow one and he's in the North pole. Why would he at no point mentioned the fact that he had been to the North pole? Cause he doesn't want people to know how he got the rain.

[00:44:23] That's why he's lying to Ashley about where he got the reindeer. Why wouldn't he just go back to the North pole and get more reindeer? It's a good question. That's a great question. Now we're getting somewhere. You are so emphatic that it's not the North pole. Why?

[00:44:38] It's so clearly in the North pole. I feel very confident. All of the evidence is there. Your feelings are the evidence. Was there any candy striped, uh, candy cane, a paraphernalia that you saw around the premise? Candy striped, candy cane paraphernalia. That is what you need.

[00:44:54] It says he was kid. The synopsis says he's kidnapped. Where else would buddy be? In a place. Reindeer holding station in Ottawa. No, because just because I, wait a second. If I, if I was kidnapped, you would just automatically assume it was at a power rangers fan convention.

[00:45:14] Where you live and at the very least you have to admit that he is, that he is shot and taken in a snowy wooded area. From his home. A place we, why wouldn't he have taken all eight reindeer? That's a good ball.

[00:45:29] Cause buddy, I think has wandered off. I do think that happened, but it's kidnapped from his home. Ryan, how would he not know that Nick is Santa Claus? I don't know. Right. He's in the woods. He doesn't see the North pole.

[00:45:41] He's in the woods of the North pole. Watch the movie. I think it's possible for the reindeer to be at the North pole and Buck not know that he is adjacent to the North pole. Yes, exactly.

[00:45:58] So the reason that Buck isn't saying, Hey, I saw Santa is cause he doesn't know. He's just gone North to where there's snow. Do you text Ashley or do anything? Yes, I texted Ashley. I think you're both right. No, no, no.

[00:46:11] I'm fully confident that he's not at the North pole. It's like Buck doesn't know. Like you were saying like, Oh, why didn't we just steal? Buck is there by mistake? No, he doesn't know. Oh, this is Santa's village. He just takes his airplane North.

[00:46:22] But he knows he's at the North pole. He has to. If he takes an airplane, he's flying to somewhere. Aaron's solution is probably the right one. Like he can't know he's at the North pole.

[00:46:32] Okay, then Aaron is answering my what the hallmark, which is how did Buck get to North pole? And how did you get the reindeer back? What Aaron is saying is he flew to an undisclosed location and didn't know he was at the North pole.

[00:46:43] That still insinuates that he's like in the Northern woods. As long as we establish trying to hunt the insinuation that he's still at the North pole. I don't care. I don't care if he knows he's there or not. He's there.

[00:46:54] I think if we looked at MapQuest, he would be somewhere near the map. Quest over here. Yeah. Langley says in the chat, Nick says he lives adjacent to the North pole. Yeah, right beside it. He doesn't live right on the pole.

[00:47:06] So no one lives at the North pole. The North pole is just one dot. That's the North pole. Yeah, that's it. That's the North pole. Dasher, dancer, prancer, vixen, buddy, comic, Cupid, Tito. Yeah. Next week, I mean, you just, you couldn't be more wrong about.

[00:47:28] As a Sinbad Stan, I can tell you it's some of his worst work. No, the last time you watched it, the decom, some of his work. That's exactly right. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, that is his worst work. There's a difference.

[00:47:40] You're gonna, you're gonna rewatch Jingle all the way and you're gonna be like, I was wrong. I would love to be. It's a laugh. I'd love to be wrong. It's a laugh a minute. Okay. We'll clock it.

[00:47:52] You're going to go in with a bad, you're going to go with a sour. Wait a minute. Who wants to? I want to, I want to, I want to watch and enjoy a Sinbad movie of any kind. You know that about an SP, a Sinbad Christmas movie.

[00:48:05] Bring it. You're an SP SP. How many people do you know that have seen all the Sinbad's movies? Just me. Just me. House guests. First kid watched them necessary roughness. Watched it. Seen him first kid. You can watch Dan review. If we get the 300 likes on decondescendants.

[00:48:22] I've already reviewed for the tape. The first kid. Oh man. Yeah, I got that. TTT feed is awesome. That's exactly right. All right. I don't have a response from Ashley. So I guess we'll end the episode. Save it for next week. Yeah. I like that in this scenario.

[00:48:37] Actually Williams at the ready, be ready to explain the first 10 seconds of snow to us. I said at the beginning of snow does buck shoot buddy at the North pole or somewhere else. And I understand that this Texas is out of nowhere about a movie from 2004. No response.

[00:48:53] Yeah. 20th anniversary. They've been celebrating. All year, whole cast is getting together. We'll be back next week with snow to colon brain freeze. And we'll be back tomorrow on the Hallmark and we'll be back with you. Bramble fest later tonight. So it's a lot of moving parts here.

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