Spider-Man: Brand New Day (2026)

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[00:01:47] Today, talking all things Spider-Man. Brand new day. Now, honestly, worked out really great for us because it came out on digital last week. So the timing... Perfect. Worked out great for us. Perfect. I mean, we knew that. It's almost like they were planning around our schedule. They're like the Marvel boys need it for this day. And we don't want to... So I appreciate that.

[00:02:11] But also, the Avengers Endgame Encore, Reage, whatever it was, came out a little while ago. And both of you boys went to go see it. Apparently, there was added stuff at the end that might have been helpful for Doomsday. I think... Yeah, I mean, definitely leads... Whether or not you think it's helpful, I guess, is to the eye of the beholder. But it definitely all leads right into Doomsday. You could go in... Doomsday prequel.

[00:02:41] You could go into Doomsday without it and be fine. But also, they do change the narrative quite a bit. Okay. Tell me what I need to know. So... Because I didn't go. I will say this. I'll let Reage give all of the mid-credit scenes. I think we take it one at a time. Okay. I think we bring it down one at a time. I will say this. The Dooms... Avengers Endgame 40X couldn't recommend highly enough. The last 45 minutes of that movie in 40X, the 3D popped.

[00:03:09] That you could tell a lot of time and effort went into the 4D conversion. Have you seen it in 40X? No, I would love to. Amazing. I will also say, I wasn't dreading seeing Endgame again, but we just watched it a few months ago. And I was kind of like, I'd rather be seeing Primetime right now or Heart of the Beast. Oof, that last 10 minutes of Heart of the Beast. Holy moly. Oh, my mother's lasagna. Yeah. Yeah. But Endgame breezed by.

[00:03:36] Like, there's no new footage in the body of Endgame itself until the very end. So... And like, quickly an hour in, I was like, oh, it's just nice to be watching this movie again. So that was a breeze. It's a great movie. And there's a reason it's in my top three. And it's because no MCU movie sticks the landing like this one. It's perfect. They have actual loss, actual stakes. And then what the Russo brothers decided, Brian, is what if we ruin Endgame to set up Doomsday? So, see, Dan, this doesn't bother me as much as it bothers you.

[00:04:04] How'd they ruin it? So, all right. So, Brian, so this is the first one. There's, I guess, technically four that we'll talk about. We'll be mindful of time. The first one is Endgame, the movie itself, the bones of the film, the duration of the film are exactly the same. Remember, it ends with Steve dancing with Peggy. And that's the end of the movie. Yes, and Peggy. So, you get to that exact moment. And even up until that moment, she puts her head on his shoulder. Same. We're going to fade in black the exact way. And then there's a knock at the door.

[00:04:34] There's a knock on the door. He says, who is it? So, now the scene is extended. So, you as an audience member go, oh, this is different. Even if you've only seen the movie one time, you would remember that this is different. And so, they open the door. Steve hides behind a thing. She goes to open the door. And who's at the door? But you've never seen the show, Brian. But it's low-key in his TV show. Time Travel Authority. Okay. Okay.

[00:05:01] Which, and he says something along the lines of, it's just I need to talk to you, right? She says, like, what do you need or do you need me or something? He's like, I actually need both of you or this affects both of you. He basically comes in. It's like, instead of having, for the first time maybe ever, an ending that just closes every loop, right? Like, Avengers Endgame closed every loop. Iron Man is dead. Steve Rogers went back to be with his girl. The Avengers are back together. What's left of them.

[00:05:31] We have a new Captain America. If we never made another Avengers, we never made another Marvel, we have all that we needed. Well, that I agree with. And the low-key show, low-key time travels? Low-key works for the Time Travel Authority. And also, this is where it gets so convoluted. But the low-key that time travels, Brian, if you remember, much earlier in Endgame, they go back to 2012. They go back to the original Avengers film. Correct. But they're pulling the time heist. Yeah.

[00:05:59] That version of 2012 low-key time travels. That's right. Because here's the thing. The MCU's time travel rules don't make sense to begin with. They don't make any sense. Which is why I don't think this bothers me, Dan, as much as it bothers you. Because I think what they're going to tell us is that the Endgame, and first of all, on a practical level, no one's ever going to watch Endgame Encore over watching Endgame.

[00:06:23] Like, you know, it's like, if you have the choice to watch it at home, no one's going to watch the Endgame Encore version. So, for all intents and purposes. But I also think they're going to try to tell us that low-key going back in time is a different thread of time than Endgame ending. And I know I'm not explaining that well, because none of it makes sense. Okay. But I understand why you're upset. Well, it's the rest of these scenes, I think, are fine.

[00:06:52] And I think there's a world or a context where they're not just fine, they're really good. And it's a really fun, like, they're doing a good job ginning up curiosity and anticipation. But you ruined your best ending. You ruined your best ending. Captain America, Steve Rogers returning in Doomsday is going to be the Steve Rogers that we know and love and not a different. It certainly appears that his storyline is not done. It's definitely not a different multiverse.

[00:07:20] Although I think you could argue that the Joe Biden looking Captain America we see at the end of Endgame is different than... This is where it just, like, where it breaks my brain. But yes, to answer your question, Brian, more or less, yes. Because Loki is going to take them in Back to the Future, if you will. It is like the end of Back to the Future 1 where Doc shows up and he's like, you're kids, Marty. And it's like, that's great for Back to the Future because you knew it was a trilogy. This is Avengers Endgame.

[00:07:49] This is the one that ended the game. I'm with you on that. I guess I just, like, it doesn't feel like it's going to deter future viewings for me. But now we have an idea of how... It's clearly Steve Rogers taking all the stones back and staying with Peggy is what starts Doomsday. Which is, by the way, a good plot thread. That's Russo saying that. The Russo brothers have said that that's what starts. Okay. All right.

[00:08:16] That's the biggest one from a standpoint of how do we get this movie. That's probably the biggest one. The third one would probably be the next biggest. We have a Hulk scene, though. Yeah, so this next one, I don't want to say is a nothing burger. I don't want to say is a nothing burger, but, like, you just don't literally see a lot. It's basically found footage. It's actually a direct follow-up spoilers pre-synopsis here because the synopsis is still upcoming for us. Yeah, of course. On this episode. Yeah, no, no, no. You got it. Yeah.

[00:08:43] It's a direct sequel scene to this film that we're about to review, which is that the Hulk has become the Hulk for the first time in many, many years in Spider-Man Brand New Day. So I don't know if it's self-imposed or if the government put himself in a bunker. Yeah. He's below ground, deep, deep below ground. Even if he went green, he couldn't get out of it. He's just talking to camera for, like, you know, a documentary that he's going to put out on YouTube down the road. And all of a sudden, the lights flicker and they flicker again.

[00:09:13] And then you hear the voice of Doom. You don't see Doom at all. Yeah. And he takes the Hulk and basically is like, he doesn't say I'm collecting you, but he's basically like, I got you now, buddy. But no, but the one thing about this that isn't. How does Doom sound, though, compared to Iron Man? I will say this. I don't think Robert Downey Jr. is doing a bad accent. People were giving that voice a hard time. He's doing a voice. I love it. Okay. Yeah. I mean, Victor Von Doom doesn't speak. He's not American.

[00:09:42] His voice is so, you would not believe that it's Downey talking. I think it's a great choice. Is it better than his voice that he did for Dr. Doolittle? I didn't see Dr. Doolittle, but it's got to be. It's got to be. Tough voice, guys. Tough voice. But he did a voice for Sherlock and it was great. And I'm not here to defend his accent. I don't think it's, from what I've heard of it so far, now a whole film will be very different. I don't think it's bad. I'm not going to judge it off of 20 second soundbites. I think the one part of this. You can hear his voice in the trailer, though, that's out?

[00:10:11] A very, very quick soundbite. I think I must have just put it together. The one part of this Hulk scene that is slightly plot-driven is he says, Dr. Doom says, Bruce or Bruce Banner. I believe he says, I need you. So he's getting Bruce Banner out of this bunker for some reason. So this is after Bruce Hulk falls from the building. In brand new day.

[00:10:40] It's a direct sequel scene in brand new day. They put him into the ambulance. Yes. And we are now to understand that he has been brought to a bunker. Current, current, current, as current of a timeline as you can have from what we've seen of the MCU. Okay. Now, the nerd theory on this is that as if this is like the Kevin Durant warriors, like as if Doom needs any help from what we've seen.

[00:11:01] The nerd theory is that there's a scenario where Doom has Hulk, has a multiverse Wanda, which would just be the 7210 bulls. Yeah. Yeah. And so, yeah. Like, so, so that's the theory as to what this means. But all we know off of what we've seen from this scene is that for all intents and purposes, Doom abducted the Hulk. Yes. Or Bruce, as it may be. That's right. Yeah. And he is Bruce at the moment. He wasn't the Hulk. Yeah.

[00:11:28] That's not nearly as specific plot as the next one, which I do think if you've not seen Loki would mean nothing to you. Okay. All right. Awesome. But if you've seen Loki, I think has a really big part of this. Yeah. So, Bran, you'll recognize the setting from Deadpool and Wolverine. Remember, there's, that's the TVA. Remember, there's the room. There's all the screens. Yes. Honestly, that's the better point of reference for you. Short round and one of the Wilson brothers are there. Is it Owen? Owen. Is it Owen Wilson? Yeah. Yeah. And, yeah. Short round is on Loki.

[00:11:58] Is it Keehui Kwan? Is that how you say his name? I believe so. Basically, they keep track of the multiverse overall. That's the central location. Keehui Kwan. That's right. Yes. Okay. That's the central location for Loki season one and two. It's like the max for Saved by the Bell, if you will. Thank you. And they keep just the multiverse in order or do their best. And that's what the first two seasons of Loki are about. Yada, yada, yada. There's a minor disturbance, which becomes a bigger disturbance. And then they're looking at their screens. It looks like Battleship.

[00:12:27] And then all of a sudden there's just like a ton of wild bleep going on. And short round goes to Owen Wilson. The multiverse is collapsing. Now, I think I hyped it up a little too much for Dan because he was like, okay. It just wasn't as impactful as the first two. What I really liked about it, why I think it resonated with me is as, especially since we've watched all of these over the last, however many months, they just kept doing this thing in this phase where it's like the multiverse exists.

[00:12:55] We, we know and have seen the multiverse exists. And I like that for the first time that they were like, Hey, here's what doomsday is going to be about. Even if we knew what doomsday is going to be about. So I is the first time where I actually feel like they put their chips on the table and in plot told us what's going to happen. That's fair. So, but like in terms of like, and I also think this is the scene that you don't get if you don't see it in infinity vision. I think this is the one. So it's pretty long. It's a long scene.

[00:13:22] And, and what he skipped was when, so Owen Wilson's in charge and there's all these screens, all these universes. It's very futuristic retro and he's got his coffee mug and two universes look like they're colliding, which is something that happens in the show. And they, that's what they send somebody to go fix it. Like Loki or somebody else. Okay. And so he's like, Oh, whatever, man. What a Monday. Yeah. Yeah. What a Monday. We got this already. And then it's like somebody else is like, we got two more over here, two more over here. And then all of a sudden it's like Houston in Apollo 13 where it's like everything is going wrong. Yeah.

[00:13:51] And so like everyone's calling out universe humor. And so Owen Wilson's like, what is happening? And then Kei Huyuan gives the line. Got it. The universes are all. So like the sacred timeline is the one we've seen for all the Avengers movies. It appears that we're going to have, you know, quite a mess in our hands from a time travel universe multiverse standpoint. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And then there's one more after that, but go ahead. Technically. Yeah. So Brad, I don't know if you've ever watched end game through the end credits.

[00:14:17] Maybe you did the first time thinking there'd be a post-credit scene, but end game proper, not encore ends just with the sound of Iron Man clanging the suit together in the game, in the game. It's like, right. You don't see and they don't show anything. It's just a nice little audible button to the end of end game. They ended a thing in 20 movies perfectly from stem to stern. So maybe this one bothers Dan more than it bothers me. This I thought was very predictable. Well, this is a fun thing. This is a fun thing to do.

[00:14:46] A lot of people call this, you hear the clanging and they show the red Marvel logo. You think the movie's over. And then just real quick, there's three quick flashes. And you realize that it's doom making his suit or clanging something. And you know that that's our DJ. And so that one doesn't bother me at all. I think it's cool. I, again, not that I'm smart. I called that. It was a lot. It was a popular theory. But it's the only time you see. He called it. Nice. I crushed it. That's awesome, brother. I called it. Dude.

[00:15:24] You see doom for 15 seconds at the end of fantastic four first steps. And you see him for about a second and a half. Do you actually see his face? Yeah. You see like, it's a, I mean, I can't stress enough to you. It's a quick cut, but you do see him very quick. Okay. I gotta be honest. They are slow playing this in a way that means they're either very, very, very confident in what they have, or they know that this is their best possible option to get anybody

[00:15:53] excited again. But it's working. I mean, I got, I told Ryguy this, like I, it is, they are, they have done, they have done the thing that I think is the first hurdle in making this a movie for the ages, which is getting us to care again. I do care. Now, do I think it has a chance to be really bad? Yeah, I do. I do, but it also, like I, I'm fascinated to know Dr. Doom's backstory, where he came

[00:16:21] from, if he's Tony Stark, what the deal, I am desperate. And how they do all that in two hours and 45 minutes. Yeah, that's what Ryguy and I talked a while after the movie. And how long is it? It's only 2.50. No, it's actually 2.45. 2.45. Which scares me even more. Just remember, just remember, they did the Infinity War saga in five hours and 50 minutes. Right. And you already knew who Thanos was, even if you'd only see him for a little bit.

[00:16:46] So this movie has to introduce Fantastic Four into the equation with the new Avengers, has to explain the origin of Dr. Doom, and has to present- Introduce the X-Men, even though we know them from 20 years ago. You're introducing them to the- Yeah. And have a cohesive plot, all in less than the runtime, I believe, of just the first half of Infinity War. Yeah, it's shorter than Infinity War. Wow.

[00:17:11] It's a very rare time where I would say I'd feel better about a movie if it was 3.10. Dude, if there was a movie that needed to be in the threes that's a comic book movie, it would be this movie. Whose origin story are you more interested in? Dr. Doom or Cotton Eye Joe? I said Doom so quickly. I know you did. And that was so stupid of me. You didn't expect it. Yeah, now you can't take it back. You know, because where did he come from? Where did he go? We don't know either one. So stupid to answer that quickly.

[00:17:41] That's a five-hour solo film with Cotton Eye Joe. Absolutely. I'll say this, though, last thing. We went to, me and my buddies, we went to book our Doomsday tickets. We want to do opening day. We might take the day off from work. Take the day, absolutely. Take the day. But even those showings, we got like fourth row in an XL. Couldn't even get Dolby. It sold out everywhere. So do your point, Dan. They're at least around these parts. You know what's crazy is that I will gladly just see Dune part three first.

[00:18:09] Like, I don't know if you're selling out Doomsday. Like, are you kidding? Oh, yeah. There might be like seats available day of for like Dune and IMAX. It wouldn't shock me. Dude, that's crazy. But give me Dune and IMAX, Denis Villeneuve over Avengers Doomsday all day. But I will say this. I care more than I thought I would care. And I'm very impressed. How we did this, though, probably helps, though, right? Of course. We literally watched every Marvel movie. It's true. We've prepped more than anyone else for this movie.

[00:18:39] But I'm very impressed with what the Russo brothers have done. I watched Civil War last night again with my kids who had not seen it. Did they like it? They loved it. I was going to say, that's a kid-friendly movie if there ever was one. Are you kidding me? Them all fighting on the tarmac? Every time I watch that movie, I like it less. Like, it is nonsensical. It doesn't. That movie, stem to stern, makes no sense. None. But I'm a big kid, so I love Civil War.

[00:19:05] But is it an absolute ripper of an action sequence one after another with these very serious performances? Yeah. But it's the only Russo brothers movie in the MCU that doesn't make any lick of sense. Not one. Like, it doesn't make. None of it works from a plot standpoint. But boy, does it work as an action movie. But I am very excited. Like, they have done a great job of getting everyone amped up for this. And it might be a huge letdown, but it might be great. Who knows?

[00:19:34] Well, we got to talk about Spider-Man first. Okay. Sounds like it might have some relation to Doomsday. Let's not reference any of this, though, throughout the rest of the episode. That feels obnoxious. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. So Spider-Man Brand New Day originally premiered at the Dolby Theater on July 27th, 2026. And then everywhere else on July 31st, 2026. And it went a little something like this.

[00:20:01] So Peter has made the decision, okay, to stay out of MJ and Ned's lives altogether. Together. Because he doesn't want to risk anything and mess it up, everything. Right? It is what it is, and it is how it should be. Amen. Yeah. So for the next four years, he's protecting New York City, but he's living super secretly, super anonymously. He takes down some major criminals, and he's doing his thing, and he's visiting his Aunt May's grave sites.

[00:20:31] But he's still, got to be honest with you, seems a little down. Seems a little bit low. And one day, Peter stops Frank Castle from causing a bunch of damage while chasing a tank that's crashing into the Department of Damage Control. And turns out that the driver isn't some big bad. It's like an old woman. And it's like, what is going on here? And it seems like there's something weird going on.

[00:20:58] And this thing is trying to get inside of Peter's head, but it doesn't work. Pretty crazy. So let's go talk to Yelena. Yelena, she works at a pool. A spa, yeah. A spa. That's where she works. And so Peter's like, hey, I need you to help me think through this because I think that there's something bad going on here with what I saw yesterday.

[00:21:27] And Peter, when talking to whoever was controlling this body, brought up VMAX. And he's like, do you know anything about VMAX? And she's like, I don't know anything about that. And she's like, also, this just isn't, you just do the work. Just try to figure this out and go from there and keep me posted. Because if it gets big potatoes. Big potatoes. Yeah. Big potatoes. So things get even more complicated when Ned and MJ return to New York after graduating MIT.

[00:21:55] Peter runs into them and decides he's just going to go to the party that they're hosting. And sees MJ kissing her new boyfriend. You know, sat. Bums him out, right? The next morning, Peeper. Peeper. Peeper. Peter wakes up. Peeper Parker. Peeper Parker. Peeper. Peeper Parker. Peter wakes up and he's in a web. Up and away. I don't know. That's weird. Peter's in a web.

[00:22:24] And he's. Maybe Franklin is that you? I'm Peeper Parker. Hey. Hey, Peeper Parker. How you doing? I woke up in a web. Did you just take my catchphrase? Up and away. It's mine now, sucker. It sounds really good. Gotta go. God bless. God bless. Jesus blessed you. Jesus blessed you. He's in his way. Webs are not coming out of his wrist. He's going through like spider puberty, basically.

[00:22:52] And things are pretty, pretty crazy. So Peter turns to one Bruce Banner for help because Bruce has been able to figure out how to suppress his Hulk transformation and live a normal life. And Peter's like, well, I don't want to go full spider. I don't want. So I need to figure out how to do this. And so as he is testing this, this thing that is bouncing in between these different

[00:23:22] people ends up, he goes down and ends up inside of his apartments. This person reading a letter that Peter wrote to MJ. So now this thing knows so much about Peter Parker and that's bad news. So Peter races to protect MJ. But unfortunately, this thing possesses MJ.

[00:23:49] Not before, doesn't tell him that until they kiss. So a little sneaky move there. And he's like not happy about that. Peter is finally able to discover the identity of this person. It is Jean Grey, a teenage telepath. I'm just a teenage telepath. Peter takes MJ to Frank Castle's hideout to keep her safe.

[00:24:19] And while there, MJ helps Peter get the final finishing touches on the little personal inhibitor that will allow him to be able to fight like normal and not have to worry about things. And another inhibitor that is supposed to block Jean's powers. So Jean then attacks the headquarters and possesses Bruce Banner, which is, you know, because she's trying to find. We find out that she's trying to find her sister.

[00:24:48] His inhibitor is removed and he's going full Hulk. Peter battles them. Of course, Castle shows up and he's doing his thing. And they're able to, they're fighting. And Jean is able to get into the vault. Peter eventually manages to calm down Bruce Banner and uses the universal inhibitor to block Jean's powers.

[00:25:14] The guy who's running the organization tranquilizes her. Tranquilizes. Tranquilizes. Say it again. Tranquilizes. Tranquil. Tranquil. Tranquilizes. Tranquilizes. Tranquilizes. You got it. Tranquilizes. Before she passes out, Jean says the name of her sister, Sarah. Peter hears this. And it's like, hey, bro, she said something about Sarah.

[00:25:44] You know anything about that? And he's basically like, oh, yeah, she probably just like because she was in my brain remembered something. I lost somebody. Yeah, I lost someone in Sarah. And so it's going to be a whole thing. Well, when he gets back, he's talking to MJ. MJ found the letter. Now she knows everything. So that's unfortunate. And but he she says, hey, when I when I was possessed, I don't have any like I didn't even know we kissed. I don't remember any of that.

[00:26:13] And he's like, you don't have any members. He said that she she said the name. So that means that she did. Uh oh, not good. Right. So she it's bad news. And so he goes and he's like, I got to check out what's going on here. Jean wakes up and is inside of this box and they are going to begin doing tests to her.

[00:26:40] And it's at this point that she realizes that her sister died in this very room when she looks up and she sees the vent that says VMAX. It's peeling. So that's just what it looks like. VMAX. And so, oh, real bad. And she gets really mad. And her powers are now supercharged. And she does this blasty thing. Full power.

[00:27:06] And it causes all the glass to shatter and a lot of New York to now be like frozen in this spell thing. She's controlling a lot of things at once. Right. So Peter shows up to try to save the dead. Right. Talks her down. Gets in there after a little battle. Talks her down. Things are looking good. Feels like he's got this situation under control.

[00:27:32] But Mr. Castle over there, the Punisher, he is trying to take things into his own land. Save his buddy Spider-Man. Sniper. Sniper. Boom. Boom. Gunshots. Boom. And Peter's spider senses tangle. And he saves her. But in the process, bullet. Boom. Right in the back. So he is now in the hospital. Which is bad news, everybody. Bad news. He's in the hospital.

[00:28:01] Luckily, he lives. He is able to leave the hospital thanks to a distraction from the Punisher. Spider-Man. And he's now deciding, you know what? My work matters. And he takes in all of the full Spidey stuff that he was trying to push away. And he realizes that he can utilize that. And he's not going to live his life the best that he can.

[00:28:29] And he has one final moment with his old pal, Ned, who still doesn't know that this kid is Spider-Man. And Peter says, hey, do you remember me? I'm from the party. And then they do their old handshake. Roll credits. And Ned says, what? Peter? Oh, my gosh. And that my friends was Spider-Man Brand New Day. We did it. We did do it. Let's take a break. We'll come back.

[00:28:57] We'll break this movie down the best that we can here on Deck the Humber. Mark. Hi, everybody. We're back. We're talking Spider-Man Brand New Day today. Let's start with a hot take. It's where we share exactly how we felt about this movie, our final Marvel Monday movie for a while. Let's share our thoughts on it. Ryguy, what did you think about Spider-Man Brand New Day?

[00:29:24] I saw this for the first time in Screen X at the Mall of America earlier this year. Honestly, a magical day. I had an Orange Julius for the first time. I had an A&W for the first time. You never had an A&W root beer? No, I never ate it in an A&W established. Oh, like with the burgers and fries and stuff. Yeah, a really good burger, actually. Really? Yeah, I enjoy it. I mean, maybe I was just basking. Yeah, maybe I was just basking in the glow of Mall of America. Yeah, could be that. But it was the only free day I had on a work trip.

[00:29:54] Walked around the mall for a couple hours. Played all the hits. They have a Toys R Us there. And then the capper to it before I actually had to do my job was seeing Spider-Man Brand New Day in Screen X at the Mall of America. And I loved it. I currently have it as the third best film I've seen of this calendar year. So that's, you know, separate to these rankings. Yeah, I need to check that out now. Yeah, I just thought that, and I still feel this way on rewatch.

[00:30:24] I had only seen it for the second time for this project. I just thought it was an efficiently made movie that looked great, felt cohesive, had a lot of payoff. And, I mean, listen, it goes without saying that at this point, anything with Peter, MJ, and Ned slaps, right? Like all that stuff rules. Tom and Zendaya are electric in this movie. I'll talk more about that in my feels.

[00:30:49] And also, I will say, for as much as we complained, and I think justifiably about the twist at the end of Spider-Man 3, in terms of like everyone forgetting who Peter Parker is, and I think all of our plot holes that we've established with that are valid, this movie does the only thing it can do, which is to not really talk about it much. Yeah, there's like two lines, and both of them stick out like a sore thumb because you just know that they don't know how to do it.

[00:31:17] Yeah, and I will say, to be fair, and I think I've said this on the air, I've definitely said it to you, Dan, off air, it doesn't seem to bother anyone else as much as it bothers the three of us that it makes no sense. I think people don't want to talk about it because I think they like, they have such, Spider-Man is held in such high regard that any negative is considered to be like, you know, burning it all to the ground. And we all liked Far From Home, right? I mean, like we all, I have a ninth. No Way Home. No Way Home, excuse me. No Way Home is a phenomenal movie.

[00:31:46] Yeah, so it's like, and I think you're more forgiving of it when the movie is really good, right? If that wasn't the end of that movie, No Way Home could be considered the best Marvel movie of all time, in my opinion. Like, I have it all the way down at eight because of the ending, but without that ending, if he just saves the day and he's Spider-Man and we never see another Tom Holland, I know that that's sacrilege to a lot of people, another Tom Holland Spider-Man movie, that movie could go down as Up There with Black Panther and Iron Man for me. I think it's that good of a movie. Yep.

[00:32:12] And to be fair, it's not this creative team's fault that they end the last one that way. No, it isn't. I think it's a smart choice that they just, that they don't try to dive too deep on it. Some people, including us, might go, oh, well, you didn't really dive deep on the whole point, but I think it was the way to go. Listen, there's a very predictable bad guy twist here, but who cares? I love the Spidey and Punisher dynamic. I just think it's awesome.

[00:32:39] This movie's probably overstuffed between, let me get all this, Hulk, Elena, Jean Grey, Punisher, Damage Control, and then several other ancillary villains. Yes. Scorpion, the hand. Yes. Yes. But for me, and I'm saying it's definitely overstuffed, which is kind of a trademark of a lot of these Spider-Man films, even the ones that the MCU hasn't produced. It never feels scatterbrained because of it. I do think that Hulk literally just pops in and the advertising would have had you thinking

[00:33:05] it was like a Spidey and Hulk movie, but I never felt it was weighed down by how much it had going on. What I was most curious about on a rewatch was the Jean Grey stuff because there is definitely an argument to be made that she's a cold-blooded murderer. Yeah, man. And if I'm being honest on rewatch, it's definitely going to be a bit of a, the movie redeems her by the end. I just don't know if it's a worthy redemption.

[00:33:34] I'm going to talk about it and wait what? But Peter's like, you're not a murderer, Jean, except earlier in the film, she literally has a car ram into a guy and that guy might be dead. Oh, she murders so many people in this movie. Right. Maybe a bit too far considering that, you know, Sadie Sanko, I think is really, really great in this film, um, is going to be a central hero, at least for a bit of whatever Marvel

[00:34:02] of the MCU becomes pretty big part of the X-Men. Yeah. But honestly though, and like, she honestly becomes the star of the film for about 15 minutes right before the third act, even during the third act. Um, but honestly, that's more of a problem for future Marvel than it is for me talking about this film. Cause I don't think that again, that deterred my enjoyment of the film. If I'm being honest and we were doing another one of these next week, I feel like I'd have this somewhere around eighth ahead of no way home, but I don't have a week to pray about it.

[00:34:31] I'm just here to tell you what I think right after watching it. I have this fifth overall. I, I, I love it. I just think this movie is so well-made. The CGI is sparing. And when they do use it, it looks great. The performances are great. Um, top five Marvel all time. I have it right in front of you'll appreciate this. I have it right in front of civil war. How about you give us your final top 10? Because we're here. We're here. We're here. Let's do time. Yeah. We're not going to do this for a while. Yeah.

[00:34:58] Until you can change it before doomsday, but at this moment without the prayer, your top 10, which has brand new tip five. Go ahead. Yeah. I, so at 10 Thor, uh, Ragnarok nine, no way home eight iron man, the original seven, the original guardians of the galaxy six, a personal favorite civil war five brand new

[00:35:23] day four end game three black Panther two winter soldier and one infinity war. That movie slaps. Um, and so journey indeed. Indeed. I only have six of those in my top 10. Yeah. Which is crazy. I feel I could see Ragnarok maybe moving up or down a spot or two by the time we do this in December and I could see Spider-Man, but like, if I'm just being objective, I admit that like civil war is a movie that I love and I know not everyone would have it in the top 10.

[00:35:53] So I actually feel pretty good about this movie being ahead of it. Cause this movie is just so well-made. Uh, you do it. You have this movie ahead of no way home. Uh, yes, I have no way. I have no way home at ninth. I have this movie at fifth. So I just wanted to remarkably ahead of it. And I will say like this movie isn't like the action set pieces in this movie are great, but it's not an action heavy movie. It's, it's more of a drama than anything else. Um, and a lot of payoff and, um, I could see some people watching it and saying it's a bit

[00:36:23] slow. Um, but I don't feel that way. I just think it's like other than black Panther, which has one of the great directors of our time at the helm. I just think this is as like efficiently made a Marvel movie as we've had. Um, and I love it. And so, uh, five overall for me. There you go. Very good. Um, I, you, you know me, I'm a spider boy, spider boy. I adore this movie. I think it's fantastic. If we're comparing this one directly to Tobey Maguire's emo Spider-Man movie, this is the

[00:36:52] greatest movie of all time. Um, I think that this movie is so much fun. Granted, I don't have any real connection to the X-Men franchise. Like I've seen the movies, but I don't really care all that much. Um, and so the way that they utilize Jean Grey in this movie does not offend me. And I think Sadie is incredible and I can't wait to see more of her in this role, hopefully. And I just thought this movie was so good.

[00:37:22] And I, visually I thought that it was some really cool stuff, which we'll talk about later. And I just, I love it. I love this movie. I don't love it more than No Way Home. No Way. Um, No Way Home's a great Spider-Man movie. Uh, in my opinion of all time. Of our time or any time. Of all our time or any time. Yes. Um, but I do still have this movie in my top 10. So my top 10 is number 10, Doctor Strange, the OG. Number nine, Guardians of the Galaxy. Number eight, Spider-Man Brand New Day.

[00:37:51] Number seven, The Avengers. Number six, Captain America Winter Soldier. Right? Yep. Yep. Uh, number five, Iron Man. Number four, No Way Home. Number three, Endgame. Number two, Infinity War. Number one, Black Panther. There we go. So we have six of the same top 10. So I, you and I have eight of the same top 10. Yeah. There you go. Um. So, uh, this is, this is tough, uh, for a number of reasons.

[00:38:16] I think that Tom Holland's Spider-Man is undeniable, uh, all four movies are undeniable as, as pop entertainment. And I, like, even the one that on first viewing far from home that I found pretty detestable upon second watch, it was far more entertaining than I realized. There's something about Tom Holland and Zendaya that I think just jumps off the screen for obvious reasons. But I also think that these movies are just so incredibly perfect for why people love

[00:38:46] Spider-Man so much. Um, and this movie, Destin Daniel Cretton is a great director who I think does has a lot of fun here taking Spider-Man in a slightly new direction than the other three films, which kind of, aside from the ending, all wrap up together. Um, I didn't, this movie didn't work for me like it worked for you guys. I do think it's undeniable in its filmmaking, but I think that, you know, we shouldn't have had another Tom Holland Spider-Man movie.

[00:39:15] I think that we are spinning our wheels quite a bit on, uh, the growth and maturation of Spider-Man and the, the villain problem that this origin, this universe of Spider-Man has. And those two things really do bother me. Uh, Tom Holland and Zendaya and the guy that plays Ned, they're all like in their thirties. Like it just, Spider-Man is a, is a 20 year old who is a friendly neighborhood Spider-Man. That's who he is.

[00:39:42] And I just think we're straining some credibility at this point when none of these folks who are all great looking, they just don't look like they're kids. They don't look anywhere near like they're struggling through what it's like to be 20 in New York city. The other problem is, is that the villain of the Spider-Man universe is Norman Osborn. It is. I'm not a comic book nerd. I'm not saying you have to have green goblin. What I am saying is, is that imagine four Superman movies without Lex Luthor for Batman

[00:40:12] movies without the Joker, aside from the green goblin showing up from a different universe in no way home. This movie is completely void of what Spider-Man desperately needs. And that is a big bad guy that the, the public still loves that Spider-Man has to vanquish even at the damage of his own reputation. And without that, we are scrambling. We are Mark Ruffalo has become the all play.

[00:40:41] It's what do we need hope to do here? Uh, let's have him do it. He's a different character in like every movie he's in. And it just starts to kind of get old. Jean gray is so important to the X-Men universe. She, you know, she's not a mass murderer. Charles Xavier finds her and teaches her how to like use her gifts for good. And being different is not bad. And all of these great things, they use this as an entry point for the X-Men into the Avengers

[00:41:11] in a way that just doesn't service anyone. I, that stuff didn't, didn't work for me at all. So like I, I, we don't have Norman Osborn. We don't have a big bad. We have a fourth Spider-Man where he's, you know, can, we can run for the U S Senate. I mean, like, I just, I just, I didn't, there's not a lot here. And then instead of having one big final showdown, we continue the further traumatization of this character.

[00:41:39] And it's like every other superhero, you know, Captain America, Iron Man, Hulk to some extent, Captain Marvel, they all get to be themselves and be the hero. But this teenage kid just keeps getting just destroyed in his psyche for trying to keep his identity a secret and care for the people he loves. Never a problem for anybody else. And I know that that's big in the comic. I just think if you're not going to have Norman Osborn and you're not going to have an arc

[00:42:07] where he finally gets to fly off or web off into the sunset, then you're just spinning your wheels with inconsequential stuff that just makes his trauma worse. And that, no, that works for me. Now, is it fun? Is it a breezy two and a half hours? Absolutely. Do Jon Bernthal and Florence Pugh absolutely kill it? Yes. Every time the Punisher is on screen, this movie is infinitely better than when he is not on screen. Trammell Tillman and the damage control, whatever. Jean Grey said he thinks wonderful, whatever.

[00:42:37] So that puts me in a tough spot. I think that the first Tom Holland Spider-Man Homecoming is better than this movie. Full stop. Michael Keaton is Vulture. After we get an actual start to finish arc for a neighborhood Spider-Man that makes a lot of sense. I really love that movie. I think that movie really works very well. I think No Way Home is very evidently, I mean, generationally better than this movie.

[00:43:04] Andrew Garfield, Peter, you know, I've rewatched all those movies with my kids. I now am of the opinion that the best Spider-Man is Andrew Garfield. If you rewatch the amazing Spider-Man movies, he is unreal. He's so, so good. And they're all great. They're all great. But that's my big hot take is that I actually think those movies are vastly underrated. This is the 10th best movie I've seen this year. It is number 14 on my Marvel list. 14. It comes in one... That's surprising.

[00:43:34] One slot ahead of Fantastic Four First Steps. But, go ahead. I was just going to say, it's higher than I thought you'd have it for 2026. Well, I mean, I've seen 40 movies in the theaters. I've not seen what you guys have seen in the theaters. Oh, no. I'm only a few ahead of you. I'm number 44. But, like, the problem is when I talk about it, when it comes to Spider-Man, if you say anything critical, I think people are very... They have their tuning forks, right?

[00:44:02] And they're just like, how dare you? Spider-Man is just a gosh darn delight. And that is the end of the sentence. And I do think there's something inherent. The floor of this movie is very, very high. I'm just saying, Homecoming and No Way Home just did it better. I cared more about the characters. I definitely care more about the villains. And I think Peter Parker makes a lot more sense in that universe than a 30-year-old playing a 21-year-old whose friends don't remember him but do remember Spider-Man.

[00:44:30] I think you are setting yourself up for a limited amount of great movie there. And so I get Scorpion and The Hand and all of these villains for a minute or two. And by and large, they don't work. But it is still better than a lot of the dreck that Hallmark... Or that Hallmark... That Marvel... Or that Hallmark 2, believe it or not. That Marvel has released. My top 10 does include Spider-Man Homecoming. So that is where I think we disagree.

[00:44:59] Number 10 is Doctor Strange. Number 9 is Spider-Man Homecoming. Number 8 is Spider-Man No Way Home. Number 7 is The Avengers. Number 6 is Captain America The Winter Soldier. Number 5 is Black Panther Wakanda Forever. Number 4 is Infinity War. Number 3 is Endgame. Number 2 is Iron Man. And number 1 is Black Panther. And I honestly think that those top 8 are just the best 8 movies that Marvel's ever made. Like that... Like after 8, I would be willing to argue with whatever and I don't really care. Like I would just be like, put whatever you want at 9 and 10. In all honesty.

[00:45:29] But I think those 8. Winter Soldier, Avengers, Endgame, Infinity War, No Way Home, Black Panther, Iron Man, and then my personal pick, Wakanda Forever. But even if you took Wakanda Forever out, those other 7, that represents the best of what Marvel has. And I think most of those 7 is in every... Aside from the Avengers and Rai guys... Yeah, I'm lower on that. ...those 6 are in all of our top 10s. I just want to point out for overall Q rating, I have Brand New Day 5th, No Way Home 9th,

[00:45:58] and Homecoming 13th, which is really, really, really good. What do you have far from home? So we all have 3 Spider-Men in our top 15, which speaks to... I mean, yeah, that speaks to what Spider-Man is and how good a job they've done with them. Yeah. But I mean, I know that there are some people that are only going to hear my criticisms, but I do, like, make no mistake. They said it's a high floor. Yeah. I have far from home 22nd, which even that's not that bad. I have far from home 24th. Yeah. I have far from home 23rd. 22nd, 23rd, 24th, that's great.

[00:46:27] Yeah, I have 3 in the top 15. I mean, it's by far, whereas, for example, like Iron Man 2 and 3 are so low for me. Like, you know, so really, really impressive from Spidey. Let's get to our feels, right, Guy? Yeah. I mean, the fake-out scene where Gene is controlling Zendaya. Oh, my gosh. I mean, like, listen, Tom Holland is getting mixed reviews for his Odyssey performance, and I think it's just because he was so overpowered by true just thespians.

[00:46:55] But he's incredible in this scene. Zendaya is always just lights out. I mean, and, like, even on second watch, the reveal, I mean, like, it's just soul-crushing. So can I tell you this? I told Brandon this when we were watching it. We were in the movie theater, and what bit me, the reason that this scene doesn't work as well for me, is we had just watched No Way Home the day before this movie came out in theaters. And in No Way Home, very specifically,

[00:47:21] Zendaya's MJ is terrified of flying around the city with Spidey. She hates it. She screams the whole way. She screams the whole way. She gets mad until she's let down. And so we're in the theater, and he's flying through the air, and she is just silent, head on his chest, and I went, not her. Like, immediately. And if I had not, but if I had not seen No Way Home

[00:47:49] the day before, I would have not caught it, and I think it would have been awesome. But I was just, like, already new. And so that did kind of, watching No Way Home the day before to record this podcast did bite me there. Yeah. Yeah. The rest of the crowd in the theater went nuts, though. Oh, my goodness. And also, I just think the performance, like, I think Tom Holland is so good in that scene. He's great in that scene. He's great. Yeah. And so, yeah. I mean, like, Florence is always great. That was the other one I wrote down. But, I mean, that scene is just incredible.

[00:48:18] Yeah, I love that the scene with MJ is wild. Wild scene. But for me, the scene that really worked is the scene with Aunt May. Like, that scene, specifically the fact that that scene is mainly Aunt May and Sadie Sink. Mm-hmm. The scene really worked for me. I teared up. Your boy teared up. Oh. Like, I just thought it was beautiful. And Sadie Sink was incredible in that moment.

[00:48:47] And, yeah, I'm happy that she's a part of the universe now because I think she's great. Oh, she is awesome in this movie. Yeah, I think, you know what's crazy is I think I would have been higher on this movie if the emotional beats that both of you talked about worked for me at all. And, like, I didn't have that. I didn't have any of that for either of those scenes. And I, aside from acknowledging the good performance, those scenes didn't move me. That's the area of this movie that didn't really work for me as much as I want to punish her movie now. Like, you know what I mean?

[00:49:15] My feels is Florence Pugh can do no wrong. Her scenes are amazing. She's having the time. The time of her life. And then Jon Bernthal, I've never seen any of the Punisher stuff. He's so good. I'm not always like Jon Bernthal is an amazing actor guy. That's not who I am. He's so good in this movie. It is criminal he doesn't get more screen time. I could have done without damage control entirely if Punisher got more screen time.

[00:49:43] I just, he's so funny. And he plays off of Spider-Man so well. I just thought he was excellent in this movie. And that was, those were my favorite, you know, components were those two characters. Fantastic. All right, let's take a break. We'll come back. We'll get to the way what and the what the homework here on. Get the homework. Hi, everyone. Welcome back.

[00:50:11] We're talking Spider-Man brand new day. Our final Marvel Monday for a hot minute. Let's get to the way what. That's why we were talking about what this movie made us go. I'll start with you, Regai. I really like Tom Holland's Queens heavy accent in this movie. Yeah, he goes hard. It is curious that it would develop. So it's not that he's late into his life, but you would think that he would have had it when we met him as a teenager and a 15 year old. The first time I heard him in this movie, I went, oh,

[00:50:41] like he always has a little bit of that. But in this movie, all of a sudden, he's like, I'm walking here. Like he's like a full, like all of a sudden, he's like in his full suit, like folding a slice of pizza. Like he's like, he couldn't be. It's crazy how much more his accent is than it is in No Way Home, for instance. Curious choice. I like it, but curious choice. Yeah, but it's interesting that he got more New York than he was as a teenager in New York.

[00:51:11] It's been the top four years with no one knowing who he is. These doctors operated on Peter and just all agreed to leave his Spider-Man mask on. So funny. So funny that they are just don't even talk about not acknowledging something. Well, then they do yada, yada, yada it when he's talking with the Punisher, when he's talking with Frank. Frank's like, yeah, I took care of all of it. Don't worry about it. Yeah, did he neuralize him? That makes no sense, but at least they addressed it. Yeah, I love that he had spinal surgery, and everybody's like, we can't, we cannot. We cannot look at Spider-Man.

[00:51:41] Yeah, yeah. Punisher said we can't. Iron Man, yeah, J. Jonah Jameson, absent from this movie, sorely lacking. But also, like, Iron Man can just walk around as Tony Stark. But so help me if the spinal surgeon sees Spider-Man's face. That's it. That's it. Yeah. And then last one. This could have been my What a Marvel, but I want to talk about something else in What a Marvel. Telling the X-Men story narratively is going to be tough. Impossible. Impossible.

[00:52:08] Because the whole point of X-Men is that they're discriminated against for being different. Bingo. And although all of our current heroes are not born with powers, it feels like a narrative struggle to tell me that this world, as awful as people are in real life, and we know people discriminate, and, like, you know, it feels like why would we hate the X-Men for having powers

[00:52:37] just because they're born of them versus not hating Spider-Man for being able to sling webs out of his hands because it happened to him later in life. This is a great white one. So shy of a total reset, which, granted, after Secret Wars next year, like, I don't know how they're going to do that, but I'm excited about the X-Men in the MCU. But I did watch this film going, that's going to be tough to do without it just feel like they're kind of grasping at straws.

[00:53:07] Yeah, because the X-Men in their universe, it is really all about marginalized people, right? There are good mutants and bad mutants, and the bad mutants aren't bad, but they're angry at folks for not accepting them. The good mutants are like, we can change people through how we act. It's a great, like, societal picture, whereas in this movie, there's a guy who's purple who made half of the universe disappear, and Spider- I know, I'm kidding. It's okay. And Spider-Man is a mutant.

[00:53:37] And people love him. The Hulk is green and is beloved. He's taking pictures in Endgame at the diner. I mean- There is just no universe where they do right by what the X-Men are about. You can just tell a different story, but, like, not to sound like the nerds, it's like the fundamental being of what X-Men is is what you just described, and so I'll be curious to see how they do that. I think, like, I think Days of Future Past and First Class are two of the better comic book movies that have ever been made. I think they're wonderful movies.

[00:54:07] They don't, like, there's no way you can do those movies or anything like those movies with them coming in to join the Avengers. You can't. Yeah. I agree. And so I'll be, it was an interesting choice to have Jean Grey in this regardless, because from what I understand, Jean Grey and Spider-Man, and not, like, a comic pairing, whereas Spidey and the Punisher are. Yes. But, yeah, my takeaway coming out of it's, like, shy of a total reset, which maybe happens, right? Or at least something,

[00:54:35] the equivalent of a total reset. I don't know how you tell the X-Men story. So, Bran, I know you were thinking the same thing, so I'll take care of you. But I will, I'll use my wait what to harp on, I believe, the same wait what that I had in the last Spider-Man, or maybe it was what a Marvel, which was what about the technology, right? Yeah. Because you can forget that Peter is Peter, but the photos still exist. This person... That's crazy. ...has existed.

[00:55:04] He did go to school with these people. Yearbook. Like, they did... Yearbook. Did they take no pictures together as a friend group? It's, Bran, it's great, but honestly, I did what the film wanted me to do and just stopped thinking about it. Well, 100%. Otherwise, the movie's bad. They don't have an answer for it. But it is always going to be a problem when you remind us that Spider-Man saved them multiple times. Like I said, I'm... That was when it got me. Yeah.

[00:55:33] Is when Ned says, he actually saved me and my friend's life twice in high school. As soon as you say that, I went, oh yeah, this movie sucks. Like, that is what my immediate thought is. Oh yeah. Because those things did still happen and they remember those things. Right. Which means to me that Peter Parker did go to those trips, did go on those, did go to their school, was in their classes. And then you're... They forgot about them. Somehow you're still okay with the handshake at the end of this movie. 100%. Which is hilarious to me. 100%.

[00:56:03] And we've argued about this. There's a difference between memory and muscle memory. Stop it. There's a difference between muscle memory. Muscle memory. Yes. Muscle memory. When Doctor Strange did the whole curse, he didn't take away the muscle memory. 100%. Yeah. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. It's muscle memory. I kind of agree with Bran. Thank you, Ryan. Stop it. It's muscle memory. It's a different skill. The handshake at the end of this movie ruins any goodwill the movie has. Well, do you...

[00:56:32] So unrelated to the handshake though, do you think he remembers Peter as Peter Parker? Do you think he is realizing that Peter is who MJ said Spider-Man was earlier? Well, he did the handshake. And then he said, Peter, he remembers him as Spider-Man. Zendaya, I know, doesn't kiss... MJ doesn't kiss Spider-Man when she's aware of it. So you could argue that she still hasn't... But like, she held him. Like, she grabbed onto him. That's muscle memory, Bran. She didn't remember anything. Like, this idea,

[00:57:03] if it works... I'm almost willing to accept all right, great. They don't know each other. That makes for good, like, drama. When he does that handshake at the end of this movie, I wanted to throw something at my screen. Oh, I liked it. I loved it. Stop it. Oh, I loved it so much. What a terrible tag. You guys have just no integrity in that at all. You know what? I'm moving it to fourth overall. Screw you, endgame. This movie rules. Rushmore. Rye guy could forget that I exist, but if I push him through my window, he's going to remember. It's muscle memory. That's right.

[00:57:33] It's muscle memory. It's different. It's a different part of your brain that Doctor Strange didn't touch. Dano? Yeah. So, he gets... When he gets... He goes nuts on the... He gets off of the thing and then the arachnid stuff takes over. Yeah. He finds himself in a giant web outside of his apartment. You guys remember this? Been there, yeah. We all have, right? This is, I don't know, a few thousand feet of webs, probably, stretched between two Queen's apartment buildings

[00:58:02] and a giant person, you know, a 5'10", 160 pound person stuck in a web and then he wakes up and breaks free and falls down. Nobody knows about it. Nobody in Queens was like, that's weird. I know you've seen a lot of stuff in Queens, guys. You're in Queens. No one was like, hey, is that a giant, like a giant spider web?

[00:58:31] Did a human being just fall out of that spider web in broad daylight? Do you think maybe Spider-Man? Maybe that's something to do with Spider-Man? What, like, how are we just supposed to completely suspend our disbelief that not a single person in the thriving metropolis of Queens, New York didn't go, what's going on there? Yeah. Right? That's fair. I don't know. Seems to be pretty crazy. Um,

[00:59:01] this Spider-Man lets his arachnids, he goes ham. His eyes go black. I don't know what's it called. He lets all the arachnid genes. He goes full spider. He goes full spider. And we're supposed to believe that makes him uncontrollable. But when he's full spider, he's better. I don't know how else to say that. He's better. He's a better fighter. He's faster. But he also shows more mercy. I know he kicks the you-know-what out of Scorpion, but he doesn't kill him. He doesn't kill him. He's actually better at detaining villains

[00:59:29] and being a Spider-Man when he's doing the thing that we're told he's not supposed to do. Like... But I think that's the point, Dan. But... He doesn't think that he should. He's scared. Then he learns that there's power in it. There's power. But like, why not make him, like, give us an actual state? Like, why make it so clear that he's just better at his job? Like, I... You're saying, why not kill Scorpion? Or, why not... Yes. Why not kill Scorpion or why not make him

[00:59:58] realize it immediately? Like, for us... Well, I think him almost killing the cop is supposed to be that. For us at home, yeah, casual. So like, either go all the way with that and then make it a thing where it's like, how do you deal with this? Or, make it just pretty obvious. Like, this guy's just better. Well, he also had bad headaches. He had bad headaches. Yes. Of course. Imagine dealing with those. Yeah. Mark... Gosh, guys, Mark Ruffalo seems like the best dude. The way he takes a stand on stuff is amazing. The way he doesn't do press because he's, you know, really trying to create the change that he wants to be

[01:00:28] the change he believes in. I love it. I actually think he's a great actor. You should see Foxcatcher. He's an amazing actor. I couldn't be more over what they're doing to him. Like, in every Hulk movie, he is just something different. I don't... Like, what is next? Like, this version of Bruce Banner and the Hulk is insufferable. Like, just a goofy college professor and I just... I hate it. I hate it. I don't want any part of it. I don't know if I have

[01:00:57] a wait-what aside from... Why not just let the Hulk be one thing? I don't get it. Why not let him be a character like everybody else? Why are they using him as a catch-all for all of the Marvel Cinematic Universe? Hulk's have multitudes, Dan. Maybe a different Hulk. Maybe they would be multiple characters. Would be great. He... Punisher... This is my last one. Punisher is, I don't know, a mile away or more with his gun. Right? Yeah. Spider...

[01:01:26] Spider-Man is in full arachnid mode. So this is the height of his senses. Spider-Man senses the gunshot and then jumps and covers Jean Grey up. If there were ever a time for webs... If there were ever a time for Spidey Senses webs, may I suggest it's gunshot? May I suggest to you that instead of covering her up, you just sweep

[01:01:56] her feet out with webs, which you could probably do quicker than jump in front of her. If there were ever a time for webs, maybe it's gunshot. That's all I got. Very good. It's time for one of more of all questions we have for the future and beyond. Right, guy? I mean, yeah. We talked about Endgame Encore at the beginning of the episode. You guys remember. Oh, yeah. What a time. Yeah. Did you change? I didn't.

[01:02:25] For that part? Yeah. You changed clothes. Yeah, we all did. That's weird. It was weird. We decided to do a thing. I don't think we'll do it anymore. I don't think so. It was a one-time try situation. Of course. But yeah, I mean, I think the obvious thing here is just for me, like gut predictions on Doomsday and I don't know. All things accounted for, I feel like, this exercise was really illuminating and I leave even more excited for Doomsday than I think I would have been otherwise.

[01:02:54] If just, and I still save for the possibility that I think it's maybe trying to do way too much as we talked about last week, but I just still really believe in the Russo brothers and I just can't imagine a scenario where they make a bad one of these. I don't know if it's going to be as good as what they've done before, but it's really, I guess my gut prediction is that they have the magic sauce and they'll figure out how to do it. So I, the worst Russo bros Marvel movie is Civil War in my opinion and it still has a high entertainment

[01:03:24] value to it. Right. So I don't disagree. I'm super pumped about Doomsday for a number of reasons and I think it's recreated that vibe of what's going to happen that we used to have for these movies and I think they've successfully recreated that and I think that's awesome but I'm also very excited because I think it's either going to be amazing or terrible. There is a scenario where it's awful. I agree. And I love, I love those kinds of swings. I love the idea of going into a movie and it could be like just a game changer

[01:03:54] and it could be, wow, I can't believe time and money was spent on this. I think those are the best kind. Anytime I go to a movie and I know we're looking at a seven of ten probably, that's not nearly as fun for me as what Doomsday is so I'm pumped about it too. Very excited about it. This, I mean, Sadie got me excited about a potential X-Men movie. I think that she was really great as Jean Grey. We find out that there is going to be an X-Men movie and that the Girl from Obsession in the Navarrette

[01:04:23] is going to be in it. Are you kidding me right now? Great casting. And then Adam Driver is apparently playing the villain. Adam Driver! Adam Driver is great casting. I'm very excited about that. I'm very excited for the movie and for the casting. My point from earlier wasn't that, it's just I don't know how they narratively do it, but I'll be curious. No, no, no! Don't do that! Yeah. The guy... Yeah. Mine is this Spidey tracker app. Sure.

[01:04:54] So I get the idea of him creating an app where people can self-report Spider-Man in the vicinity. I think that makes sense. When... The first time I was like, wait a minute, is when he's like, I think Spider-Man's near, near in the house and Spider-Man walks in. Okay, did somebody report him in the hallway? That's weird, but I could buy that. At the end of this movie, the last scene after the credits is Spider-Man showing up on the app in outer space. Now,

[01:05:27] I guess they're just trying to be funny? No, the theory on that, the theory that I've read is that that is a very, very subtle call to Secret Wars next year because, without giving anything away, and I don't know much about the Secret Wars plot line, but that's been the theory on that, that that is a prelude to a year from now. But someone in space has Ned's app? Oh, no, yes. Yeah, in that sense, yeah. There's no way to,

[01:05:57] I think, logically rationalize it. Okay, okay. All right. I just want to make sure it was stupid. I think it's a bit for us, the audience, and we're not supposed to take it as an in-universe thing. Oh, okay, great. Because all the other in-credit scenes are all in-universe, but this one, no. Got it. I mean, you know what I mean. I know what you mean. No, I think it's a point well-taken. Yeah, okay. We did it. We did it. 38. Man, it's kind of sad. 38 movies in the book. Bittersweet. 10 months, 38 movies, one dream. One dream. Pretty impressive. Pretty impressive, really. What are we going to do next?

[01:06:27] Let's do it. Let's watch the Marvel TV, right, guy? Yeah, no, I'm game. I'm in, even if Bran's not. No, let's do it. We do got to figure out the next movie series, though. Yeah, that's true. I think Harrison Ford has some juice. I think Harrison Ford could be it. I mean, I looked at his filmography. What a wild, wacky time we would have. I really wanted to see, he did the movie version of that Apple TV show that I really liked with Jake Gyllenhaal that came out last year. Presumed Innocent? Presumed Innocent. He did the movie version of that.

[01:06:57] I wanted to watch that. I mean, Deliverance, American Graffiti. I don't hate that. I think we talked about T-Rex Tuesdays at one point for Jurassic Park. Oh, man. Dude, sign me up for any Jurassic Park. I also haven't seen any indie movies aside from the newest one. You've not seen any Indiana Jones movies? Have you ever seen any independent films? Indies. He's not seen any indies. No, I only watched the big, big... How about Spielberg Saturdays? Hollywood's dead without the studios. So us going out there

[01:07:27] and going to indie movies is not interesting. Taking money out of Disney's pocket? No, thank you. We'll figure it out. Spielberg Saturdays? Spielberg Saturdays? Maybe Spielberg Sundays. Sundays we just drop them at Sundays at 2. Honestly, Sundays do really well for us. Yeah. Sunday's crush. I don't know what... I think maybe it's because no one else has released a concert on Sunday. I just say, I re-watched Hook. I loved it. Yeah. It's a banger. That's right. That's how you started... What was it? Was that the 100 days until Christmas? Yeah.

[01:07:57] I ended up being 99. We're already so far into that season at this point. I don't even want to know what you might or might not selections. Anyway, we're going to be back next time on another one until then. Oh, really quick, Dick. If you enjoy Ryan, Ryan's going to be joining us all holiday season talking about Up movies. So stay tuned for that. It's going to be a lot of fun. Up and away! Up and away! First to wish you up. Merry Christmas! Deck the Hallmark's a Bramble Jam podcast produced by Brandon Gray and yeah, that Greenville, South Carolina. For more information on the show, go to deckthehallmark.com follow us on the socials at deckthehallmark

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