The Way Home - S02E01 - The Space Between ft. Ryan Pappolla

[00:00:00] Hi, I'm Brandon. I once again love The Way Home. Hi, I'm Ryan and I also once again love The Way Home, but my gimmicks just say I like it so I really like it.

[00:00:11] I'm Dan and we'll see what we think about The Way Home and this is the Deck The Hallmark Podcast! Hello everybody! Oh boy oh boy! Great to be here today. It's a tradition now. It's a tradition.

[00:00:45] We now see it's Ryan Pappolla in The Way Home. It's two seasons now. Here we are. There's nothing we can do about it. Lock it in. I'm excited. I woke up today with a little extra spring in my step.

[00:00:58] If you didn't think we're excited, you didn't listen to that preview episode last week. That was gold. The quality on that thing was great. Both the sound quality and the sound quality.

[00:01:13] We did have... You're going to love this, right? We had some folks reach out and ask where they could find that song. So it's Dive, Stephen Curtis Chapman. I've got news for you. It is Dive by Stephen Curtis Chapman, one of America's greatest entertainers.

[00:01:29] I say that in all sincerity. I love the Stephen Curtis. At the very least, it's a great adventure and we're having a good time. He's the Lord of the Dance. He's going to tour with AJ McClellan and Joey Fatiguer. How dare you? First of all, he's a headliner.

[00:01:50] Absolutely. Stephen Curtis Chapman is a headliner. We're talking about the way home, which is come back into our lives. In a different manner than ride. Ride has also come back into our lives because CW picked it up. It's on the CW and it's just reruns. We'll watch again.

[00:02:10] I got to be honest. They did a little recap before the season started. I think we nailed it. I'd say we hit the highlights and several things that they didn't even important. Our preview show is better than their recap.

[00:02:28] And that I didn't think I was going to be able to say at this point three days ago. We have the creators on at the end of the season. Let's start with the obvious. Our recap. I don't want to embarrass anyone.

[00:02:41] I do want to talk about the writers that listen to the comments of DECOM talk. Our preview show is still better. I do want to talk to the writers that listen and can't have come on the show. Like you're welcome to use our recap anytime. Anytime you want.

[00:02:56] If you want to use that, you're welcome to. Sometimes brands stops right in midway. He just wings it. Not for the way home. The way home I really focus on. It's the movies at this point. They kind of skate on by.

[00:03:09] We had to watch this in Betty's Bad Luck and Love. There was a discussion over what we would watch first. And I was like, if we watch the way home first, this movie doesn't have a chance. It's a lot of hate.

[00:03:20] Yeah, you've got to you got to go and get that movie out of the way before you dive into the way home. No pun into the time. Someone thinks that that guy isn't going to be the headliner. Yeah, like he would be with AJ McClean.

[00:03:37] I didn't think it would headline. I just said there's going on. Definitely. Maybe PFR is going with it for tone. Pray for range. Oh, wow. Yeah. How about that? See, that's the quality of the Photon McClean combo. That's just right. There's a PFR fans that reach out.

[00:03:56] I'm serious. I'm dead serious. There is not. Yeah, there will be. There will be. Yeah, there will be. Let's talk about the way home season two episode one. The name of it, the space between the space between Dave. Yeah. Yeah. And hope to keep. Yeah.

[00:04:16] I'm going to leave it in the pain. Beautiful. Originally aired on January 21st, 2024 and it went a little something like this. We just got the ride. The ride music in. We're just a season late. That's for ride. Go get the horse head. We just got in the flight.

[00:04:51] We see Jacob. We see Jacob. People now think we are a morning zoo radio show now. There's nothing normally we do about it. I wish. We see Jacob and this weird woman standing at the edge of the pond and she's like, you got to stay here for now.

[00:05:10] Cut to a cat talking to Dell and she's like, I know what happened to Jacob and Dell's like, I don't want to hear it. So cat runs to the pond jumps in the pond does not take her Alice

[00:05:26] then jumps in after her mom and gets stuck under the ice cat pops out sees that Alice is in here must be under the water. She goes back in and rescue sir brings her back on shore and is able to bring her back to me.

[00:05:44] Exactly right evidence sir and they make a pack. Wake up. They make a pack. Save me. They make a pack to not go back to the pond again. And yes, yes, they can look at it. We just can't get in it.

[00:06:05] She then finds a goodbye note from Elliott's the do do style. See you guys fast forward seven months. Everybody's happy. Dell is doing beekeeper stuff Jason Statham style and she sees a horse. Did you say horse? Yes, Rick. How are you buddy doing great?

[00:06:25] It's an episode of the way home. You love the way home. Love the way home. What's the thing you're most excited about for season two? Definitely Annie McDowell getting nearly nude. That's not it might be.

[00:06:35] Alice size found that did not happen this week and that was a big one. We'll get to it. We'll get to it. We have nine to go. We had our cigars ready down at Vitzies and not up. Spoiler alert. We have a new segment. It's called nearly nude.

[00:06:50] Spoiler alert. It's coming up at the end. Is that taking place of single swim? Yes. Single swim was terrible. Nobody told me. No, no. We were sad. Alice is found good friends at school. This show sinks. Thank you.

[00:07:05] And yeah, Alice has found some good friends at school and Kat is running the newspaper. It's the last day of school and after school they have dinner. They dance to steal my sunshine. Oh yeah. Alice is about to leave for summer vacation to spend time with her dad.

[00:07:23] Kat is going through one by one a list of names and trying to track down where they ended up and she thinks that this is the best way to find out what happened to Jacob. Not going to pond anymore. I'm going to do it this way.

[00:07:39] Kat goes to an estate of the town's wealthiest family who just recently passed away and left in their will that this can go to the archive, the town archive. She shows up and she comes across a painting that looks exactly like her and is titled My Catherine 1814.

[00:07:59] That's my Catherine. Oh, no, no, no. Boom, boom, boom, ba-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Boom, boom. My Catherine. Ooh, she's got a painting now. Painting now. Ooh, she's going back in time. That was your kid from my time. My Catherine. The next day, Kat.

[00:08:24] Why do people not want to come on the show? The next day, Kat runs by Elliot's house and once you know it, he's back. They awkwardly talk and she invites him to a family party that they're having to celebrate summer.

[00:08:38] Alice is not happy to see Elliot because she feels like he abandoned them. They have a fun party complete with fireworks and flashbacks to a simpler time before death, death. Alice goes to a party with friends and Kat goes to a tree house to listen to Sister Hazel.

[00:08:58] Elliot shows up. Sister Hazel is still playing in the background. He apologizes for leaving without saying goodbye. They sit down on the treehouse bed and they make out hard while Sister Hazel continues to play in the background. Once again, there's nothing you can do. Sister Hazel is playing.

[00:09:17] Yeah. Well, what do you want to happen? But she does pull away. She says, can't do this. Alice keeps seeing her 1999 friends while hanging out with her present day friends is freaking her out so she leaves. Kat and Dell talk about working on their relationship.

[00:09:34] They're really going to give this a shot. We then see the family all together in 1999 around a bonfire and someone who looks like maybe Colton looking at them from the woods. Maybe even Colton looking at Colton. Not 100% sure.

[00:09:53] The next day Kat and Alice are talking about, you know, how Alice was seeing her friends and it's like I kind of forget what they look like and she says that she misses 1999 and wants to jump again.

[00:10:06] Kat shows Alice the painting and Alice is like, this is amazing. This is this painting is how you're going to find Jacob. They agree to do one last jump. One last jump in the pond with me. One last jump.

[00:10:22] Elliot sees him walking towards the pond and deletes a sexy text that he was typing up. Dell finds out that her neighbor sold his farm and is saying, hey, maybe you should consider doing the same with yours. She says, I will never sell my farm. As she ride.

[00:10:41] As she sees the dog heading into the woods. Dell finds out, oh no, they jump into the pond and they hold hands, but the pond separates them. Alice pops out and she's back in 1999, but Kat pops out and we're not

[00:10:59] really sure where she is, but she immediately gets shot by an old timey gun and falls back into the water face first. My friends was the way home. Season two episode one. I'm the space between. We did it. Let's take a quick break. We'll come back.

[00:11:19] We'll break this episode down here on Deck the Hallmark. I thought you were going to say four segments. Sorry. If you're watching on Philo, Philo.tv, you see me flash four fingers from the screen like Brand's about to say with four

[00:11:37] segments right here and he doesn't say it. And I'm just like, whoa. I'm just like full, full Ric Flair out here. We did it. Here we go. That's right. Yep. Go Ryan. Go give me that Ric Flair. Whoa. All right. That's not great. Underwhelming. Yeah.

[00:11:55] You sure you're the guy from the bump, right? Yeah. So live on Twitch right now my focus is entirely the well, all right. Fair enough. Fair enough. Let's talk about the way home, the season premiere or as I said on Tuesday, the series finale. I made a mistake.

[00:12:13] He did. I know. I know. Let's break this movie down or episode down. Let's start with the hot take. Ryan, we're back. We're back in Canada. We're back at the pond. Thoughts on this season premiere. Lemazine ride and pond diving. Listen, so I thought that was pretty good.

[00:12:33] I had water in my mouth. I was trying not to spit everywhere. Nicely done. Thanks. Thanks, Dan. That was off the top of the dump. Alice got trapped under ice in the first five minutes, a literal cold open and I thought that really set the

[00:12:45] tone in a nice way. I thought the show did a good job of reminding us what made the first season so great pond drama, not trying to be funny like a lot of intrigue around the pond. Good mythology building still a massive focus on the archives.

[00:13:01] Elliot showing up out of the blue. I thought was odd at first. But that scene in and of itself was a little jarring. But I liked that by the end, whether or not us bozos are right about our theory that like, you know, that's central.

[00:13:16] Someone in the chat says Elliot shot cats. Oh, oh, oh, oh, man. Let's let's hold it. Let's save it to the nearly nude segment, everybody. I thought that missing at the end of the episode was a nice change of pace for the show, for Hallmark like let's just

[00:13:38] dive in. No pun intended on a broad strokes level. Here's my big thing. Like all jokes aside, what I always worry about with any season two after. Sorry. Oh man. Now that this show exists and we found that button. That's it. That is it. That is it.

[00:14:02] Anyone says that. Yeah. Do the. Again on a broad strokes level, I always worry that a season two premiere or a season two at large stray too far from what made season one great. I'll be very curious here with Dan has to say about this.

[00:14:27] I did not think that was the case here. I really enjoyed what they did. It felt still very connected to season one. They didn't try to introduce too many new characters, the new mysteries they set up or intriguing all of that stuff. And then you have two man.

[00:14:39] That's good TV moments at the end of this episode, whether it's Newton or Jacob from behind and then literally someone being shot on the Hallmark channel. I like this show a good deal and I thought this was a good episode brand.

[00:14:52] Listen, this is where you come for the hottest most takes with most integrity. First of all, it's good to be back. It's good to be back at the pond. It's good to see my old friends and it's just good to

[00:15:08] you know, live in the mystery again, you know, the mystery of life, the mystery of love. Amen. And this episode fricking rocked for me. I immediately was like, yes, because here's the thing. You may have picked up on this last week during

[00:15:26] the preview episode, but I don't really remember the first season. What? And so, but there's something about this world where the show started and I'm like, ah, yes, I remember the feeling of watching this show. And to your point, Ryan, those moments where

[00:15:46] they're giving you just a little bread crumb of mystery and you're just like, oh, they're setting some stuff up for this season. That feeling, you remember those feelings from season one and you're like, yes, this is right. We get an amazing kiss to Sister Hazel.

[00:16:02] Phenomenal kiss, great to be back with Sister Hazel just setting the mood and as they should, as only Sister can. As only Sister Hazel can. Yeah, I'm just so happy. I'm just so happy to be back and I thought that this just felt perfect.

[00:16:24] It felt good and I am suddenly reminded of why I love this show so much. It's just I love the characters, I love the world, I love the mystery and, you know, and I love the anticipation of Nearly Nudes. So like lots to love, very excited, thrilled,

[00:16:43] so good to be back, Dana. So just like Kat and Alice go different places when they go in the pond. I'll take two hot takes if I can. One, this remains by far and away the best thing Hallmark has ever done.

[00:16:58] The fact that we have a serialized television program that we're looking forward to figuring out clues to a mystery and care about the characters. Well done, Hallmark. Now that that's out of the way, I was a bit underwhelmed. Oh, damn.

[00:17:13] I was and I didn't want to be and I was sad that I was underwhelmed. I'm very sure about that. I didn't want to be. I didn't want to be. I didn't want to be. Why would I want to be? I don't want to be underwhelmed.

[00:17:26] I don't want to be anything other than what I've been trying to be lately. That's exactly right. And I feel like the show ended so well last year and left us with some questions about characters and how they're going to react.

[00:17:41] And I think they kind of squandered that in the opening. I feel like Kat having to reckon with her continual meddling in the past, resulting in the death of her father. I thought that would that's a really great string that we should be seeing in season two.

[00:18:00] And instead what we saw is we're not going to go on the pond anymore. Pinky promise seven months later and Kat is great. And I hated that. I hated that we don't get a chance to see her reckon with the fact that ultimately she caused her father's death.

[00:18:18] I hate that. I don't think that I think that the show took an easy way out. I also think hinting at the fact that Colton is still alive is awful. I just you're going to if people that are dead don't stay dead,

[00:18:33] you lose the basic and integral structure of any television show and ask any good show that goes terrible. The flash blah, blah, blah. If someone's dead and you see them dead. But hold on. We don't know. We don't know. It might not be Colton.

[00:18:52] But also in that he's not dead. Who? That hadn't happened yet. He hadn't died yet. Colton. Yes. You mean he's traveling forward in time? I don't know what it is. All I'm saying is we don't know that all we know is people can travel backwards in time. Sure.

[00:19:11] So it would be weird for him to travel backward. The pond needed him to see himself. That would be weird. But whatever the case may be, I think that was a little bit disconcerting. More than willing to admit I'm wrong on

[00:19:23] that one if it turns out it's not Colton or it makes sense. I just thought and then the Elliott Cap storyline that I thought had so much heat and it made a lot of sense that he would leave. And I know that they still have this

[00:19:35] thing where they're not together and it's not that hot or this kiss was great, the sister hazel kiss was amazing. But I also felt like that was resolved really quickly. Like I felt like him needing some time away and just getting seven months

[00:19:48] and rolling back in just just rocking that pink shirt like he owns it and then it being fine. I didn't like that. And so I just felt like there were some things I did like them splitting up at the end of the episode. Amazing.

[00:20:02] The gunshot at the end. Amazing. But then there we have a whole another thing of archives. Which I also was like what in the world so a mixed bag for me. I'm not. Look it's still solid television. But this show ended with four episodes

[00:20:18] that were by and large great television for any network. And this was not the opener that I was hoping for. And so I'm not saying it can't be the better a better season. I'm not saying they don't have enough there to really make it work.

[00:20:35] I'm just saying that I was underwhelmed because the bar was set last season. And I think this had a feel of trying to figure it out and not a feel of like like I'm sorry Ryan but like not a like last season had a feel

[00:20:51] of we know where we're starting. We know where we're going. This doesn't feel like that. Right now. But I hope it gets there. Not for me anyway. All I was going to say and I'm sorry for interrupting all I was going to say is that I'm

[00:21:05] going to be a little bit more confident in the show. You would admit that you thought the last eight minutes which will parlay in the next week and the rest of the run was the strongest of the episode. Right. I think that what happens with Kat and Alice

[00:21:21] and their characters together and their motivations tends to be the strongest thing going right now because instead of moving forward with the idea of going to the next episode and then I will get to them later. Maybe that thing that Kat did to her father and killed him.

[00:21:41] Maybe that is not for forever and Kat and Elliott are going to pick up right where they left off and those three things are things that I thought were really solid bedrocks of characters having to go through some stuff and and really like search like are you telling

[00:21:59] me to go through that? I think that is a good thing. I would say they are going to find a way to do it. They are going to find a way to take risks and take risks. Her and her mom look at each

[00:22:13] other and go not doing it and then they don't do it and I just couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe for a second that those two characters who to the credit of the writers of the way home and they are going to find

[00:22:29] a way to do it and she doesn't have to do it. I think that was a good thing to hear from them and we promised each other. They took away all the things that I felt like. I would much rather I know this isn't good.

[00:22:47] I would much rather we have opened up on Kat in a really dark place. Maybe she is just like Coltom to the character than what we got. But I will say this, it's still good television. It's still quality television. I just was underwhelmed by the pilot.

[00:23:07] So don't take anything more than that. I see some folks in the chat getting upset, but don't take anything more than that. I think it still has the opportunity to be great. Yeah, yeah. It's time for all the feels. So we're talking about what gave us feels

[00:23:25] while we were watching this. Ryan. Yeah, I know we've already talked a little bit about it in different ways and maybe it just shouldn't surprise me anymore because season one established this with quite frankly bigger songs, but it's a 14 year old song

[00:23:39] or roundabout, but like the code by Paramours on the Hallmark channel. And I'm like looking around. I'm going, this doesn't, it still just doesn't compute to me and the song is probably not as expensive as it was when it was a hit of a major motion picture.

[00:23:52] But I was like, it was used smartly, just a slapper of a tune. And I don't know, like the way home is cool. Right? I think that's another reason why I'm so excited. I like everything that I review for this podcast.

[00:24:02] I have a great time, but like the show, like, you know, 20 year old Ryan Popola had iTunes on a loop the code by Paramour. And now it's in the show that I'm talking about my buddy's brand of Dan. That's really cool. Yeah. Boy, yeah. Brand, brand.

[00:24:19] It's just, it's crazy. Like what's crazy the way home and then them playing Paramour, brand was it like I didn't know what to do with them. Like it was, it was unbelievable. How did we get here? Literally, it's a leader. It's a, bless you, brand.

[00:24:33] Did it attack you? Yeah, it scared me. And bless you, Dan. Bless you. Bless you. Bless you, Ryan. Bless you, brand. Literally, brand. What's happened is first ever use not true button. I do it all the time. Brandon Gray. I mean it all the time.

[00:24:50] What's great though, Dan is I was so far from the mic and the mic hadn't ever, it doesn't matter. The ending of this episode just worked for me and her getting shot, great. Who shot her? I don't know. I mean, I'm excited. I'm excited to see what happens.

[00:25:10] And it's just, you're in a ride and how hard it was. Oh, good job. Good job. Even if you have some problems, like this was an easy watch. Just an easy watch. So thank God they were not struggling about what to do with hay and stuff.

[00:25:29] No, I'm giving an analysis. Like I prefer this to anything we got from Ride on its best day. Absolutely. Ride wishes. Ride wishes. Yes. Is that your? Dan, what gave you feels? Guys, I'll recap because Ryan just talked about Paramore. We got Paramore.

[00:25:47] We got Sister Hazel All For You and we got Lynn Steal My Sunshine and all three original tracks. Like how much money did Hallmark give the way home? We got all three original tracks and then the title of the episode is Dave Matthews Song

[00:26:03] and I thought we were gonna get that at some point for some strange reason. Cause I was like, they are just blowing the budget on songs right now. It's impressive to hear that many tracks in a Hallmark movie. If a Hallmark movie got those three songs,

[00:26:19] I would be like they had to increase the budget. But for a 42 minute episode of television to get those three songs next level. I also feel like it was nice to, if you watch the pilot episode of this show and the premiere of this season,

[00:26:37] they bookend very nicely. So like, I don't know if it was, I'm sure it was on purpose, but the pilot starts with something from a different time period and then ends with them jumping in the pond and then you don't know where they go.

[00:26:52] And then this episode starts with something from a different time period and ends with her getting shot in the pond and you don't know what happens. It's a very, like I don't know if they went, it was like a formula thing.

[00:27:03] And they were like, it worked in the first season. Let's do the exact same thing this season. But I loved it. I loved that they were kind of showing you that they could still craft an episode. Now what happened between those two scenes?

[00:27:16] But they're still doing this thing where they're setting up a bigger mystery while giving you something smaller to care about in the meantime. Right. Let's take a quick break. We'll come back with the Wait What Sink or Swim. Sink or Swim of course. And Nearly Nude here on

[00:27:32] Deck the Hallmark. Deck the Hallmark. Welcome back. I'm about to sneeze again. I don't know what's going on. It's a lot going on. There's just a lot going on. There's a lot going on. Let's get to the Wait What. I'm gonna start with you, Ryan.

[00:27:51] Anything in this episode I'm gonna go, wait, what? Man, a few things. Now, nobody, no, this is, this maybe shouldn't even count. I don't know if I'm outside the parameters of the segment, just let me know. No one would have thought.

[00:28:02] And if anyone didn't watch the coming up that aired right after the episode and the diapologist, nobody would have thought. I didn't watch it. We didn't watch it. I have a real, I have a real, this won't surprise you. If you think I should omit this,

[00:28:14] just let me know. I won't say it. Nobody would have thought, including you two or anyone, that cat was going to die. At the beginning of next week episode. However, I just have a fundamental issue with the 30 second preview that airs immediately after the episode ends.

[00:28:30] Cats just walking around. You see her next week. Like there should be, leave cat out of the 30 second preview that you air right after. Make people think just for a second that maybe. Seven days. Like, you know, like, you know, and not that anyone would actually think that,

[00:28:47] but like you, the moment was amazing that this is no, no bit. No hyperbole. I was like, wow, what an amazing way to end the episode. I didn't think cat was going to die, but like I saw her 10 seconds later cause I couldn't find my remote

[00:28:59] to hit pause before the episode ended. I mean, so that's a miss by Hallmark. That's not on the show. That's on Hallmark. I bet they did it on purpose to remind because you know, this is a big deal for Hallmark to have a serialized show like this

[00:29:10] where the questions aren't all answered, blah, blah, blah. But I also think that that is, that ruins a really great moment because I think. It did for me. The funny thing about that moment is you have enough mythology built up to where there's a series of mysteries

[00:29:23] just about like who shot cat. The pond takes you only where you need to go when you need to be there. The pond took you there to get shot immediately so you would have to stay there probably for longer. Why do you have to stay longer

[00:29:36] to become the white witch? I don't know. There's enough in that one just scene to last us a season's worth of plot and for them to give away is just up walking around. I'm disappointed too. I'm disappointed that that happened. That's terrible. It was a bummer.

[00:29:54] It was a bummer. So all right, so I guess that's a little inside baseball-ish but off that cat saying she wasn't gonna use the pond anymore is like me saying to Dan last night that I'm not gonna bet much what football season is. What?

[00:30:08] One of my favorite parts of any weekend is getting the screenshots of the parlays that Ryan has gone with for the weekend and he and I talk it through and sometimes I'm a cheerleader and sometimes I'm a therapist. It just depends on how it goes.

[00:30:23] And so it's fun. It's a bonding experience for the two of us before we start our Let's Pod at Parley podcast coming to you soon. Coming through real soon. And so it's been up and down here. I can think of literally 15 dozen songs

[00:30:37] that would classify better as the ultimate summer song than the one they chose. Like, I mean like, not on my list at all, but neither here nor there. And last for me, Kat, you talked about it a little. Somebody mentioned the shirt that Elliot was wearing.

[00:30:52] Kat says Elliot has a whole new thing going when she first sees him in that weird scene. But as best I can tell, it's just that he was wearing a different type of shirt that we normally see him wear. The whole new thing is the same.

[00:31:04] It'd be like, Dan, if you wore blue in an episode, they'd go, well, got a whole new thing going. That's right. That's right. I'm trying to set the bar as low as possible and then wear colors and see what happens. Yeah, that's true. It's the whole new thing.

[00:31:17] Like, you know, Brand in the last recording was wearing a different Orlando magic shirt that he's wearing right now. He doesn't have a whole new thing going. Like, you know, whole new thing. That's it for me, Brand. Magic in eighth now in the East. I looked last night.

[00:31:28] Yeah, but we're finally healthy again. Okay. We were really... Now, what is it? Fourth seat? For the cap of that? Six. No, it was fourth the first time and he owes me a... I still feel good about it. We're finally healthy.

[00:31:39] We have the easiest schedule the rest of the season. Six of the highest. Six are higher than it's nothing. If it's under six, he owes me two. Anything from Lids. So... It's gonna be sick. You're gonna get like one of those clumsen hats

[00:31:51] and get your name on the side. Dude, I'm serious. If they don't finish, I hope they do because I want to see them in the playoffs because watching Playoff Magic basketball with Brand is one of my all time purest unadulterated joys in life.

[00:32:03] But if they don't, we're going straight to Lids. I'm gonna grieve with him for the requisite 12 hours and then we're going to Lids and finish the vlog. I only get 12 hours? Yeah, that's all you get buddy. Sorry, I mean the magic have sucked for years. So, you know.

[00:32:17] I know, never mind. Listen, as excited as I was to hear Decode by Paramore to not give us the chorus full volume is a travesty. I'm getting around like, yeah, look, here we go. How do we, and then there's just no,

[00:32:33] they cut back and it goes to like the headphone volume. Get out of here, rude, rude. Hayley deserves better. Hayley deserves better. That's exactly right. I will say to you all now what I said to Brand in this moment, Paramore is just okay.

[00:32:50] I mean, after Ain't It Fun? I'm not a huge fan. And then Brand didn't speak to me for what scene. I'm only doing this for the show. Yeah. And then after this, I'm immediately done. Ain't It Fun is the last good thing they did. You're right. You're agreed. 100%. 100%

[00:33:07] I like Paramore. This is some, I mean, Brand, don't get hot. Too freaking late, bro. Hey, Brand, I need to tell you something. After all this time, I'm still into you. Thanks, man. Thank you. This is, okay. So last year specifically, I think in like episode one

[00:33:27] or whatever, I talked about how I can't think of anything worse to wear jumping into the pond than jeans. And Alice proceeds to week after week, jumping the pond in jeans. And I'm like, I guess this is just her bit. But here's the thing.

[00:33:43] At the end of this episode, they make, they look at each other and they say, I think it's pond time. I think it's time for us to pond. Is it pond time? I think it's pond time. And neither of them change into pond appropriate clothes.

[00:34:00] You, if you are gonna look at each other and go, is pond time, right? Got changed into, you can jump in the pond in jeans knowing you're gonna do it. They could have fixed it. They had a whole season to fix it.

[00:34:13] You had a whole season, they look at each other, they say it's pond time. And neither one of them goes, you wanna change first? No, with pond time. I can't imagine knowing I'm about to jump in the pond and being like, yes, I'll stay in this please.

[00:34:32] Can't imagine it. It's insane. I guess it's just Alice's thing. She loves it. Dan, we were laughing about this early in the episode. Alice gets picked up for the last day of school and they pick her up and they're like,

[00:34:47] the sooner we start the day, the sooner it gets over, which isn't true with school. It doesn't matter if you showed up at school at six in the morning, you couldn't knock off at 1 p.m. That's not how that works.

[00:35:05] Mr. Thompson, I actually got here at six o'clock. I shot. Oh, they get by all means. I shot outside. I made a book. Yeah, yeah, yeah, get out of here. So I'm good to go? You're good to go. Thanks man. I will say this. Your shirt's ugly.

[00:35:19] Thank you. I'm trying something new. They catch the song, Steal My Sunshine on the radio in 2024 from the beginning. So they turn on their FM radio in 2024 and right after they turn the dial on, Steal My Sunshine playing from the beginning, which is the odds are astronomical.

[00:35:44] It's a dream. It's a dream. I just, I couldn't get over that was, you know, that's impressive. You know, no matter how we slice it, that's impressive. You know, Kat hasn't changed much in the seven months besides she's clearly over trying to change the past.

[00:36:02] And she's gotten into running and she wants to carry around the largest phone possible to run. Does she have a tablet on her arm? Is that a Galaxy Note 8? Is that, she is, her, it's all, it's a ginormous phone. I just, I don't know what to tell you.

[00:36:24] Get anything else. I mean, that's gotta be weighing you down there. Yeah, that's all, that's all I got. It's time for sync or slam. That's what we're talking about. You know, what we're syncing and what we're swimming. Ryan? Yeah, as you guys know,

[00:36:46] I've always been very clear on how this segment works. So what, since episode one of season one. So what I'm gonna say is whether it was the, this is both my sync and my swim, whether it was the postcards that were basically taunting

[00:36:58] Kat the seven months while he was gone or brand mentioned it during the recap. He's writing what seemed like a very nefarious villainy text and then he's spying on them through his window while they're running off and he gives just the most diabolical, dastardly look.

[00:37:14] Like whether or not by the end of this season or by the end of the series, whatever that may be, hopefully this show goes for a very, very long, long time. If nothing else, they have heard us and they are playing into it.

[00:37:25] And for that, I appreciate the people that are about wearing the shirt. There are definitely two or three, I don't wanna call them full scenes, but lines or looks that tip the cap to an Elliot villainry. And I thought it was awesome. And I really, really loved it.

[00:37:44] We're changing the world. We are. Elliot for villain 24. 24. Yeah, I mean, I think the thing that I'm most like sinking right now, like sinking my teeth into, am I doing it already? She's totally new. How do we get here? Is that whole like Colton watching in the woods?

[00:38:06] I'm very just intrigued, assuming it's Colton. Listen, it could be a lot of things. Yeah, I really don't think it's Colton by the way. Sorry, sorry. But think of like, so at the time that whoever it is is watching in the woods

[00:38:19] is a time where Jacob is still alive. So it could be that after Jacob dies, Colton finds out that this water exists and he goes back and he's able to see his family again or something like, I don't know why they would show us that

[00:38:31] but it's possible that that's where that's playing. It could be like somehow this is Jacob growing up and he looks like his dad. There's a lot of things that it could be and it was such a random throw in in the middle of the episode.

[00:38:48] Because we had already moved past this night of the start of summer party and we were getting ready to like move on to the next thing and they cut back to this thing for such a quick moment. And it's just so interesting.

[00:39:04] And it's the thing that I'm really just like, this could sink or swim the show. So that can I tell you that's the part of, that's the aspect of the show of that this week's episode that struck me as the most,

[00:39:19] this is something we're going to waste time on that will add up to nothing. And I could be wrong. But like my take on that was like, we've got so much happening between Jacob and Elliot returning and being the bad guy

[00:39:32] and then Kat and Alice going to separate part and separate time like of all the things that one seemed to be the one that we were just gonna like it's just there to try to kind of like steer you off the path of what's going on

[00:39:44] with the rest of the narrative. But maybe I'm wrong. I think you'll be wrong. I feel like the cat painting reveal is probably more in that category for me one, because we already have a decent idea of what's gonna come of that

[00:39:55] and brands having night sweats about that being like one calls the heart. But, you know, I feel like I would have loved that whoever that person is reveal and I would have been a strong end of the episode for me.

[00:40:07] So the fact that we got on top of that I thought was great. I think it'd be wrong on that. It could be that neighbor that we get introduced to for the first time ever who's selling his farm.

[00:40:16] Like maybe he has something more to do with all of this so we don't know. So like little things like that that the show at least last season proved to be pretty trustworthy worthy with of doing these little things that like,

[00:40:30] hey, you need to pay attention to this show. You need to follow along. And it's like these little things that move the story along. It's the thing that happened in this episode that I'm most intrigued by. Nothing else really surprised me,

[00:40:43] so to speak in this episode aside from that. That's the thing that's really like, I'm going to be thinking about heading into next episode. Yeah, the area where I think the show creators and I are in sync the most and I'm pretty sure I'm using that correctly. Yes.

[00:40:57] Correct? Yes. Yeah, is when Alice goes back in time it is once again, it's 1999 or that's what we assume. Yeah, cause we see Elliot. Yeah. As 1990. That's right. Elliot has. Well, I guess technically it's 2000 now because why did you have it?

[00:41:15] Of course, Elliot has said both future and past Elliot that these are all the memories he has of Alice. So Elliot is lying. You with me, Ry guy? Yeah, that's good stuff. But you know what's interesting to that point Dan? Elliot does an interesting thing

[00:41:35] when he comes back into the tree house and Sister Hazel's playing. He says, so you didn't jump in the pond any while I was gone? Which is an interesting thing to say to that point too. Yes. Like, something fish is going on.

[00:41:51] So we can talk about looks and glances and text all we want. Elliot knows about other instances from 1999 2000 whatever that he is not talking about to anyone. And once again being the one person that knows all of the events from the past and from the present day

[00:42:13] and when they're going to happen and how they line up, make him the most powerful chess piece on the board. And so go ahead. Well, I was going to say it also works on both levels is that I think you're right.

[00:42:24] And from a we want Elliot to be the villain standpoint because that would be cool TV. That's great. But also it's really smart because it allows for us to spend more time in 1999 where we're familiar. Like it's a very smart way for the show to be like

[00:42:38] because all we could only move forward in 2000 and beyond but now if Elliot has more memories that he's withholding or what have you we can spend more time in season two in that timeline which I think is really good. Yeah, yeah. I feel like someone in the chat,

[00:42:52] I think that's Kira Romans just said or the past is changing rules out the window Q Dan being pissed. Nothing wrong with what you said there. If the past is changing then I am no longer in sync with the way home team

[00:43:08] and I will be the first to tell you that the show has lost all of its integrity. So there you have it. Well, and to that like yes cause what would have needed to have like what could have been the thing that causes the past to change?

[00:43:22] Like nothing is everything has so far happened the way in which at least Elliot remembers it happening. So I don't know. That's interesting. It can't be that the past is changing. It can't be. I would be so disappointed if the past was changing. Yeah.

[00:43:41] But Dan Elliot is the only one who has told us the past can't change. But we've also seen through myriad attempts like had an Alice trying to change the past and it has not changed. No matter what they do, the results are the same.

[00:43:58] So the show has told us that the past can't change. Not Elliot. I didn't take Elliot's word for it. I took the show's word for it when they told us the past couldn't change because they tried to change it over and over again and it didn't work.

[00:44:10] That is, I'm not getting that from Elliot. I'm getting that from the show. I believe the show has established rules for the time travel and a pattern in my personal opinion. Yeah. Thanks Dan. You're welcome. Interesting. Thank you for that. It's time for Nearly Nude.

[00:44:25] It's part of the show where we talk about whether or not somebody in this episode was Nearly Nude. We're gonna bring in our Nearly Nude- Right, it looks terrifying. We're gonna bring in our Nearly Nude correspondent, Brian. Brian are you here? All right, come on in buddy.

[00:44:43] Brian just grab the mic if you could. There you go, right there it's fine. Just bend down. All right Brian, anybody in this episode Nearly Nude? The way that I interpreted it was we were nearly getting to the idea. It's more of a concept, philosophical concept. Construct even.

[00:45:02] No, unfortunately not. I wouldn't really pass. It's a no for me. Thank you, Brian. Appreciate that. Thanks for putting that jacket on and everything. All right, well there you go. That's just a strong replacement for wrestling to the ground I think that would be cool.

[00:45:16] It is, and I mean, well, Andy McDowell's the one, look they wrote a whole article about it. I mean, you don't want us to talk about it like, you know. You shouldn't have said that. Why not say that until the week it happens?

[00:45:25] Well, we were already gonna be into the show, but now we have this- Now every scene with Andy McDowell is we're gonna be like- We're trying to figure out how is she gonna end up Nearly Nude? That's right in this scene.

[00:45:37] Does it, this wouldn't even make sense here. Byron's not even in this. We're Roy. We're Roy. Well, we did it everybody. Another episode in the books. It's great to be back. Ryan, anything you wanna tell the people? I hope Dan likes Brink. That's it.

[00:45:57] Oh, that's where everything begins and ends right now. That's right. You guys are just, this is, you don't care if I hated the way home. That's true. If I like Brink. That's right. Join us tomorrow for another episode. Also tomorrow night, the Deckys happening live at 9 p.m.

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