The Way Home - S02E09 - Here Without You ft. Ryan Pappolla

[00:00:00] Hi I'm Bran and I love the way home. Hi I'm Ryan and I watch The Way Home.

[00:00:08] I'm Dan and I don't want to talk about The Way Home and this is the Deck The Hallmark

[00:00:13] Podcast! Deck The Hallmark is this podcast. We hope you like this dolly podcast.

[00:00:30] I just want to talk really quickly Dan. We talked about this a little bit off. Yeah. There's

[00:00:38] a dude perfect smoothie. It's a dude perfect smoothie. It feels personally. I got it.

[00:00:44] I got the dude perfect smoothie. It sits not bad. It's exactly what you would think

[00:00:48] it's not my favorite. It's like it's got pineapple which it's blue but it's got

[00:00:53] a little bit too sweet and a little bit too heavy on the pineapple. A little pineapple

[00:01:00] goes a long way for Bran. It's a really pineapple flavor. Dan and I have gone on the record

[00:01:07] saying we're doing a thing where we have two smoothies a week, a week and we've been

[00:01:12] doing it all year and it's been going great. And then I wake up one day and that's been

[00:01:17] going great. What do you mean? No I just everything Bran said then Dan echoed it was

[00:01:22] just I was just laughing. Was it too much? No, it's great. Okay. I enjoyed it. All right.

[00:01:27] Thank you. Oh great. Thank you. So I wake up one day and I find out that they've partnered

[00:01:36] with another male centered creator team called Dude Perfect. Does Dude Perfect have way

[00:01:45] more viewers and listeners than we know that for sure. I think we do. I do know that

[00:01:52] for sure. We don't know that. That's true. We have no idea. We don't get those numbers.

[00:01:57] It could be millions. Yes, it could be. I just want to say what gives and if we could

[00:02:06] flood smoothie king social media and just be like I don't care about Dude Perfect, give

[00:02:11] us the homework contest but what would our smoothie be Bran?

[00:02:14] I was going to say like what's the flavor? We'd have to I want to know what one of the

[00:02:18] creating of their flavor did the four of them or whatever many dudes are all wait. It

[00:02:23] would be it would so I know it's not super seasonal but it has to be like like an egg

[00:02:27] nog smoothie, right? Bran's not a big egg nog guy. I mean peppermint smoothie. If you could

[00:02:32] try to make the pep if we could try to make a peppermint milkshake but be healthy in smoothie

[00:02:36] form. Yeah, that sounds great. Yeah, right. Let's get into the lab. Let's get into the lab.

[00:02:42] Yeah, so just get on the pizza and wings while we're at it. Let's get let's let's get

[00:02:48] into the lab and make this to the lab. The peppermint smoothie. I like the

[00:02:53] laboratory to make the peppermint smoothie. You're all white chocolate peppermint smoothie

[00:02:57] because they have the chocolate smoothies in smoothie king are really healthy for you.

[00:03:01] Yeah, I was going to say I don't think there's any way that can cock a peppermint smoothie

[00:03:05] without other things going on where I think a peppermint smoothie would be just as much

[00:03:10] as too much. No white chocolate peppermint smoothie. That's pretty good. That's pretty

[00:03:15] good. Now we're talking here some almonds in there maybe you won't even taste them. I promise

[00:03:19] no, I'm fine with that. I try to throw as much stuff in my smoothies as possible that

[00:03:23] will help me. Yeah, but without tasting. I gotta be honest. I how have you felt? We're

[00:03:28] three months. I feel good. Yeah, we've been doing this. I feel good and I just feel

[00:03:35] like if any, but if there was any dude team that was that would be perfect for smoothie

[00:03:42] king and this is no knock on dude perfect. I'm sure they're swell, but come on now.

[00:03:47] Oh, God. We've been doing a thing as possible. They've also been doing a thing. We didn't

[00:03:51] check with the guys. Check about those dudes. But you guys made a joint New Year's resolution.

[00:03:57] That's adorable. That's like, they're holding hands on fire.

[00:04:03] Oh, that TV slash DT. I just want to know why we weren't considered. Maybe they didn't

[00:04:10] know. Maybe they didn't know that we've been consulted. But so everybody just do your part

[00:04:14] here. Do your part just home or podcast smoothie king collab message them don't be mean

[00:04:21] but like politely be like, Hey, what the are you doing? Basic. Don't be mean about

[00:04:29] it. It's all trying to say. Yeah, we're talking about the way home today guys. We only got

[00:04:32] two or episodes this episode and then one more next week and then we're done. Already

[00:04:37] but in the past week, we did find out that the way home season trace is going to be happening

[00:04:45] my car to come back this time next year. So that's exciting because I know involved.

[00:04:49] It's good to know that we'll be back in the ponds. Gotta hit on their hands. We'll be

[00:04:52] back in the pond in no time. I do think the show I don't have really looked at the ratings

[00:04:56] but I do see a lot of buzz about the show. So I think it's doing what it's created to

[00:05:02] do. I would imagine right? Yes. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Really quick before diving Ryan, how

[00:05:07] are you? You had me smoothies this week? No smoothies. But yeah, no, I heard that way home

[00:05:12] news too. And I think like do you guys know or it's more that I think generally speaking

[00:05:17] were more down on it than the rest of the world. Right. And by we, I mean myself and Dan

[00:05:22] because brands back baby will can I tell you we'll see if he's still back. We didn't

[00:05:27] watch this together but can I tell you what's happened when I think it's happening? This

[00:05:31] is pure conjecture on my part. I think that the people that love hallmark things are very

[00:05:40] much as on board if not more so a season two than season one. I think those of us that

[00:05:46] enjoyed season one as a departure from what hallmark typically is into the world of like

[00:05:52] more prestige television. I think the most people that I've seen from that lot are disappointed.

[00:05:59] Yeah. Correct. No more questions at this time. Thank you. Back to you Ryan. So well,

[00:06:07] for instance, before you get going right, the IMDB user ratings, like the thing about

[00:06:13] WinCalls the Hearts is if you look at before Jack was killed on WinCalls the Heart, it's

[00:06:19] one of the I know. Listen, listen, listen, I'm just taking my go way. Jack's dead. Jack's dead

[00:06:27] goes Jack maybe RIP obviously. But if you look, wow, Brian broke his guitar. I know, I know

[00:06:34] before season six of WinCalls the Heart, it was one of the top 10 IMDB highest user rated shows

[00:06:41] of all time. The user rating was higher for WinCalls the Hearts than any other show that's

[00:06:47] ever been made safe for a handful. That is because these hallmark folks go out in force and they put

[00:06:54] tens on everything. And so if you look at the user ratings on IMDB, the user ratings for season two

[00:07:00] are really, really high. Last week's episode is like a 9.2. It's insanity. But I don't think that

[00:07:08] those of us that really love the first season because it represented a departure from hallmark

[00:07:13] are thrilled. And I don't want to speak for everyone, but that's been the vibe that I've gotten.

[00:07:17] No, and that's all I was going to say. And I know we got to dive in. I know pun. I'm having it.

[00:07:21] But that's all I was going to say is I remember Dan a few weeks ago you cited a comment where they were

[00:07:26] like y'all give a pass these Christmas movies but are being really hard on this. And I think I

[00:07:31] speak for Brandon, but definitely myself here, but definitely someone who enjoys the Christmas

[00:07:36] film genre. And I think it's two totally different discussions. Like, you know, it's like,

[00:07:40] I the best version of a hallmark Christmas movie is still working within the genre of what we're

[00:07:47] expecting where season one of the way home was just doing something that we did not expect and

[00:07:52] we thought they did it well. I don't think they're two comparable entities. And so again,

[00:07:56] I don't know if people are mad at me about this, I'm sorry, but I'm judging this on a very

[00:08:01] well-earned curve. But with that is expectation and expectation can sometimes be tough to reach.

[00:08:05] You got absolutely. And also I did find this article on a quick Google search that halfway

[00:08:11] through the season, the first five episodes of season two of the way home were ranked as among

[00:08:18] the top two most watched entertainment cable programs of the week. Fantastic.

[00:08:24] Now that says with women 18 plus. So I don't know if it's the way home season two is the number one

[00:08:30] most watch program overall and entertainment cable among households, total viewers and women

[00:08:36] 18 and over. So it's clearly doing well. It's clearly doing very well for them.

[00:08:42] And the last thing I'll say season three fantastic that's great. Yeah.

[00:08:45] We want to like I want everyone to keep working and we all really want this show to be good. So

[00:08:49] this is great. This shows bad compared to season one. It's amazing compared to ride and wind calls

[00:08:54] the heart. That's all we're trying to say. We've said, let's see how this goes here in a few minutes

[00:08:58] and then the way home season two episode nine without you. Without you.

[00:09:04] A really wonderful.

[00:09:07] March 24th, 2024 and it went a little something like this. So cat is underwater. And I know that

[00:09:13] happens a lot in this show but this is this is young cat. Yes. She's underwater. Brady rushes in

[00:09:19] to get her out of the water. Elliott calls 911 Nick makes Elliott leave and go back to his place and

[00:09:26] Elliott freaks out and is like, I've ruined everything tonight. Pum punches the wall.

[00:09:34] Which I think we all assumed that his dad had punched the wall. Yeah. At least I did. He's

[00:09:39] wanted over something more important. I ruined everything. Back to the present. Nick is

[00:09:46] demanding answers if you recall last week ended with him finding the book of all of the information

[00:09:52] about all the time travels that have happened. He's like, I want answers. Cat is very surprised to

[00:09:56] find out that Elliott has written down every trip that Alice has done and looking at it and

[00:10:01] through that lens. Bit creepy. Yeah. You're right. Then Nick is like, do you need to tell me that

[00:10:08] Alice and your daughter are the same person? My Alice and your daughter cats like, yeah dude keep up,

[00:10:14] bro. Come on. Dell has a flashback where Jacob is in bed with them showing him a drawing

[00:10:22] of what he's going to grow as a farmer when he takes over the family farm and dad is like, well don't

[00:10:28] forget the pond is off limits. And Jacob's like, won't be when I'm in charge. Gotta be honest,

[00:10:35] not a lot of notes. Back in the past Alice goes to visit Cat in the hospital where she's still

[00:10:42] unconscious and she apologizes for how things went tonight. She's crying and is like you never told

[00:10:48] me what actually happened on this night. So I don't know if I caused everything that happened

[00:10:54] tonight and somehow I'm breaking the rules. I don't know what's going on. I'm all out of sorts.

[00:11:01] Then back in the present Brady shows up unexpectedly. He's here to help Dell with the sale

[00:11:06] of the farm. He's like, can I see my daughter please? And Cat is like, maybe I don't know when but maybe

[00:11:16] Nick and Elliott are talking about how crazy it is that no one recognized Alice.

[00:11:23] He's like, dude, why do you let me fall in love with her? If you knew that she was in the

[00:11:30] feet and you knew all this stuff and he's like, what did it have helped? Oh no man, maybe you should

[00:11:35] try. I don't know. In the past Cat comes to Brady is there. She's confused. The last thing that she

[00:11:44] remembers is being with Elliott and planning on getting to that midnight pick up and run in red eye.

[00:11:53] And she doesn't remember Brady showing up at all at the party and just then the doctor comes in

[00:12:00] and tells her that you and the baby are going to be just fine. Neither of them knew that she was

[00:12:06] pregnant. They're both happy. He asked her, hey, I want to be with you and I want to be here for

[00:12:11] this baby. Will you marry me? She says yes. She tells him that she had a dream about Alice

[00:12:17] and wants to name their kid Alice if it's a girl. Alice is overhearing all of this and so is Elliott

[00:12:25] who is standing outside the room with flowers. He's heartbroken, sad boy. A present day Cat

[00:12:30] decides that she needs to try to get Alice back to the present when she realizes that she went

[00:12:37] back or where she went back to. She tries to go get Alice and ends up back in 1814. She's only

[00:12:44] bothered by that for a second until she is greeted by the gang who tells her that Thomas is struck

[00:12:49] a deal and they're going to go home and by home they mean the 1814 home is where they're going to go.

[00:12:55] Alice makes it back to the present, tells Elliott off really yells at him we all know why

[00:13:01] and then talks to her dad about why he and Cat actually ended up getting married and she's

[00:13:09] like both of you gave up so much for me. You know, you gave up your plans. You know mom gave up

[00:13:14] grad school in London. We all know about that. And he's like I knew about that. And he just he's

[00:13:21] like what he tells her that they love her so much. Cat watches as Jacob reconnects with his family,

[00:13:29] sees how much he loves them. Elliott finds Nick just looking at the pond touching the water like

[00:13:35] he's in an emo music video. He tells Elliott that he doesn't believe him when he says that he hated

[00:13:40] keeping the secret. He tells him that he thinks it made him feel important and then when he's

[00:13:46] liked that he reminds him of Elliott's dad. Elijah talks to Cat and tells her a story about how

[00:13:56] everything actually came to be. Her wife was with child. They lost the baby that night she went

[00:14:03] to the pond was so sad and that's when Jacob appeared. And so she considered Jacob a miracle baby

[00:14:10] and just kept the baby and kept that story from Elijah until she was dying. He didn't understand

[00:14:17] how this story could possibly be true but he did manage to write it all down. He wrote it all down

[00:14:23] and he's like this may be coming a handy one day. But then Cat comes into their life and it's

[00:14:29] like oh wow all of this suddenly makes so much sense. And at this point that Jacob comes in and

[00:14:35] freaks out and is like you knew mom knew too everyone knew and kept this from me. Tears the page out

[00:14:44] of the journal and we see a rip that looks awfully familiar. Look at that little rip there.

[00:14:53] Cat and Jacob talk down by the pond he talks about how the pond has been calling to him

[00:15:00] and how all of these years he's been playing a role. Cat asked him to come home and he's like

[00:15:06] I'm not going to come home this is where I've spitt my life and if I jump I don't know what's

[00:15:11] going to happen. He tells her to visit whatever she wants to but that's going to have to be enough.

[00:15:18] She asks what to tell mom and he says don't worry she'll understand I'll make sure of it. That's

[00:15:25] when he goes back and he writes that message in the margins which looking at it now if that was your

[00:15:31] message to mom maybe be a little bit clearer. She's and it tells Cat that she wants to come with her to

[00:15:40] come with her in Jacob's place they go to jump in and it doesn't work now. Then the worst possible thing

[00:15:49] happens in my estimation they talk about Jane Austen we were having such a good time we were

[00:15:55] loving life and then the unspeakable happens Jane Austen month continues. She's in talks about how

[00:16:01] she wants to be an author. Cat says that she needs a friendship like this in her time just then

[00:16:07] Thomas shows up walks her back to the pond she says that she says that she will be back and Thomas

[00:16:15] says well perhaps I can hold a piece of your heart with me until you come back and Thomas is just

[00:16:23] over here shooting to spin this you shoot a shot spitting the game. She makes it back to the present

[00:16:28] Brady is like hey you're soaking wet no one cares so Alice and Cat catch up and she asks why

[00:16:34] she stopped talking to Dell after that event she does not really answer that question so Alice

[00:16:41] then goes downstairs demands an answer from Dell when she walks away Dell tells Cat that there's

[00:16:47] nothing to lose by telling her what happened now and Cat is like well especially since she's

[00:16:52] selling the house and it's like you don't owe the good ones anything and then we do get a flashback

[00:16:59] we see Evelyn telling Dell you owe me everything so that might be why Dell feels that way then she says

[00:17:08] as if you don't already so clearly there's a lot going on here. Niggit Elliott patch things up and

[00:17:14] Nick says that he's gonna go try to make things right with Claire Alice goes back to see what had

[00:17:20] happened that time between Cat and Dell since no one's actually gonna tell her the truth she comes

[00:17:25] back to the house and Cat is there talking to Dell and says hey you don't have to worry about Evelyn

[00:17:34] pressing charges I talked to her Cat gives Dell a check to save the farm from Brady's parents

[00:17:40] Dell says I don't want it if you're not coming then she says that she wished Jacob was here he's

[00:17:45] the one who wanted the farm he'd be here to help save the farm it should have been him obviously

[00:17:52] Cat up and man I know it's a missed opportunity for a title of the show obviously Cat takes this to

[00:17:58] mean it should have been him it should have been you that went missing basically it should have been

[00:18:02] him that's here so she does not like that she grabs Colton's guitar it says I'm taking a piece of

[00:18:07] dad with me and she leaves outside Brady asks if she told Dell about the baby Cat says she doesn't

[00:18:12] deserve to know about the baby obviously Dell she resolved this for the door so she rushes back to

[00:18:18] Elie it's in the present that she knows everything that happened that day and that she forgives them

[00:18:23] but that's when he says maybe you won't because Nick knows about what's going on so Nick comes out

[00:18:30] and they talk about you know them and they basically say hey this was fun

[00:18:35] I'll still leave east of baby um she then goes to talk to Dell and tells her that she knows what

[00:18:40] happened that night Dell tells her that she saved the land for her originally oh we're still going

[00:18:47] but uh family now she knows thanks to Jacob that land comes and goes but family families forever

[00:18:55] the episode ends with cat talking to Elliot and having the realization that Thomas is going to be

[00:19:00] executed in exchange for getting Jacob set free Elliott says yeah you know you can't change

[00:19:06] things and she says I could at least say one more goodbye and now my friends was the way home season two

[00:19:15] episode nine here without you baby yeah just doing my dreams we're gonna say a quick break we're

[00:19:23] gonna come back we're gonna break this episode down here on deck the hallmark

[00:19:34] you know there wasn't a lot of like bits during your synopsis I think that's the first time ever

[00:19:38] in a 40 minute television program you've run out of uh runway there for your synopsis yeah a lot

[00:19:44] happened yeah a lot of trying to fit it all in you're doing a great job you're a great

[00:19:49] fresh and try let's start with the hot take let's share exactly how we filed about this episode only two

[00:19:56] more of these remaining this season one more after this well but two right now starting right now

[00:20:02] when we all have two hot takes left yes that's what I'm trying to say that's when the episode air so

[00:20:07] rock so Ryan let's burn burn your hot take right now what'd you think about burn it burn it burn it

[00:20:16] uh so I thought this episode was really really bad yeah I thought it I thought it was really

[00:20:22] and like honestly brand I wish there had been more bits because he's hearing you lay it all out

[00:20:27] just like that just now I think it's even worse like Joe genuine I um I do this very rarely but

[00:20:34] I think for the most part I'm just gonna kind of read directly off my notes because I had a lot of

[00:20:37] stuff I'll try to go through it quickly I had accepted that adult Jacob was actually Jacob a few

[00:20:43] weeks ago but like this episode firmly firmly very clearly sealed it and just want a massive bummer

[00:20:49] like it was like it just wasn't the creative direction I ever would have taken this and maybe

[00:20:55] so again I want to be fair maybe that means other people are like well it is the creative direction we

[00:20:58] wanted it's cool but for me uh it ruined the season even if everything else had been good and

[00:21:04] everything else hasn't been good to that point we went from thinking that Dell in season one was maybe

[00:21:09] the white witch and all knowing now by the end of see now by the end of season two not just a bit

[00:21:16] doofy but also now like really really mean wait I mean like here's like this very likable actress that

[00:21:23] everyone likes and respects a character in season one that we all thought was super intriguing and now

[00:21:28] we're just like yeah she's really mean and also how does she not know that all of this is going on

[00:21:34] the cat being anything but irreparably distraught that Jacob tells her he's not gonna come home with

[00:21:42] her when that's what the whole first 19 episodes of this series have been like and Dan you brought

[00:21:48] this up with something last week I don't remember what it was but like a terrible thing happens in 1814

[00:21:54] like this tradition wrecker and then she says oh you know what I gotta make Alice a sandwich

[00:22:01] I got like like it's just like that's bad writing and like it also showed me that like all of

[00:22:07] this was just way too ambitious that like I give I genuinely I give these uh you know showrunners

[00:22:13] credit for trying but like the needles that we were trying to thread needles plural throughout

[00:22:19] this season it was just way too complex way too complex for any show with a 42 minute with commercials

[00:22:26] 10 episode order on any platform but especially hallmark it just wasn't gonna be possible uh and

[00:22:32] then Nick finds out that he that time travel exists and the vast majority of his life isn't what he

[00:22:37] thought he gets over it in two days yeah this episode was really really really really really really bad

[00:22:43] brand tell them how much you loved it I wouldn't say I love okay I will say I like that more than

[00:22:50] you guys I do think that this episode has too much going on there and clearly they got to the last

[00:22:57] two episodes and they're like uh oh we done did it now because we didn't really do much to start

[00:23:02] the season and now we gotta do all of it and uh that's unfortunate and maybe the goal here is

[00:23:08] we're gonna try to do so much and hope that nobody asks any questions about a lot of the things some

[00:23:13] of which Ryan brought up but unfortunately our job is to ask questions so here we are today uh

[00:23:20] which we will get to in the way what but yeah just overall it just felt like too much and none

[00:23:26] of it was especially exciting to me I think I have come to terms with the fact that this up this

[00:23:34] season by and large is gonna just kind of be a wash for me and I'm gonna have to go in the next

[00:23:38] season and just kind of be like I hope we're starting over let's start you didn't win calls the

[00:23:43] hard every year yes it's exactly right that's it that's unfortunate now I will say our guy Elliot's

[00:23:49] the guy the actor who's name I'm Evan Williams tweeted whatever you think is gonna happen in

[00:23:56] the finale it's not gonna happen I think it's gonna be good that's how I know it's not okay so

[00:24:02] well he's basically saying all the things you think you know you don't know and whatever you

[00:24:09] think the finale is gonna be it's not and so I am both very intrigued by that is I'm just I'm

[00:24:16] just trying to wrap my head around this this thought is there anything that could happen in the

[00:24:23] finale that would make what happened in this season worth it which as of right now I would say

[00:24:30] definitely a disappointment of the season I don't know the answer to it I would be very surprised

[00:24:36] if there is something that could save the season but I will say this season one gave me enough faith

[00:24:42] in the creators of this show and so if there is a group of people that can save the season I do

[00:24:48] think it's this team and we'll see what happens Dano if this episode was a friends episode it

[00:24:55] would be titled the one where the writers try to fix everything with boat loads of timely

[00:25:00] exposition heavy dialogue there are this is the worst episode of the season one two it's the

[00:25:08] worst episode because of all the things that Ryan said and the fact that they took time out of

[00:25:14] their busy busy day to write scene after scene of explaining character motivations the stuff with

[00:25:24] Nick finding the time travel journal is the most disappointing unfortunate stuff maybe this show

[00:25:32] has ever done the fact that he finds out town travels real and he's like whatever big the fact that

[00:25:37] he asked all the questions that all the viewers are asking and and then Elliott gives him all the

[00:25:43] answers that the show wants us to have terrible the fact that he's like oh cool awesome we're good

[00:25:49] hug it out and he leaves town maybe the worst of all um this shows a mess the character of

[00:25:55] Dell played by the venerable uh uh uh anti McDowell has started as a a a a matriarch who knows more than

[00:26:04] she's letting on who's been tasked with with carrying great grief and great strife and keeping her

[00:26:11] family together has become a two-bit de facto villain who's not smart enough to know where her

[00:26:18] family is traveling throughout time because she thinks the pond is a sinkhole because Colton said it

[00:26:26] one time in 1999 it is embarrassing what they've done to that character this shows a mess they've lost

[00:26:35] the plot it is crumbled under the weight of everything they've thrown on top of it it doesn't make

[00:26:41] sense characters we thought important for the first seven episodes they haven't appeared in ages

[00:26:48] haven't seen the intern or the new boy and uh two episodes three episodes that was my sink or swim

[00:26:54] is like where the heck is this intern that we all think it's from the future like and also

[00:27:00] and this is going to make people happy the best the the most sane like stand up character on

[00:27:06] the show probably Brady probably Brady the guy who's there for his daughter maybe wants to take

[00:27:13] her out of town seems like there's a lot of drama there's a lot of trauma with with with with cat

[00:27:19] and with Dell this guy seems to be above board across the board this is unfortunate i felt like we

[00:27:27] had an opportunity to maybe give us something to hope for i can't imagine brand i've been racking my

[00:27:33] brain of what possible twist could lead us to say okay i can see why we got a little loss in the

[00:27:41] weeds but it's worth it and i can't think of one this is a mess sorry um let's no no i thank you

[00:27:50] thank you Dan sorry brin no it's okay thank you uh it's thank you thank you it's time for

[00:27:56] uh all the fields is where we talk about one this episode gave us feels really any kind uh

[00:28:02] Ryan what do you got i have two quick things i thought it was cool that adult Nick is the only one in

[00:28:08] this show that takes place in Canada that sounds like he's from Canada at times definitely fun um

[00:28:13] but then it's a shame my real one it's a shame that the devices of this show don't allow and

[00:28:19] don't want cat and Alice to have those scenes where they have the slumber party because those are

[00:28:25] usually among the best scenes in the show and we never do them because because of how they've

[00:28:30] constructed this season specifically we can't have those scenes because then there would be no show

[00:28:36] so i thought that scene was nice and enjoyable and it was one of the very very few times during a

[00:28:41] 42 minute runtime i thought that way brin um i listen i should have been able to do the math but i

[00:28:47] will say when the doctor came in and said you and the baby i i was surprised i if you did not

[00:28:54] math it would not have added okay great we'll get there later but i uh i was like oh wow

[00:28:59] it didn't see it coming so that was like a the one kind of nice little twist which i it kind of made

[00:29:07] it all that's part of it kind of made it all made sense like how she ended up back with Brady

[00:29:12] and all all that happened finally got some clarity there so that was the one thing in this episode

[00:29:16] where i was like whoa okay a little bit something there uh dana um i do have two uh and these there

[00:29:23] are two things i took from this episode that are legitimately good as you can see on screen with the

[00:29:27] thumbs up uh and and maybe maybe like they'll ruin these in the finale i think they might ruin both

[00:29:36] of these but as it stands right now they establish once again that people from the past can't

[00:29:42] time travel forward and that Jacob is not going back to the present i think both of those are

[00:29:49] really strong structural choices with integrity now are they gonna change that in the finale

[00:29:56] probably uh if a character says i'm not going home in episode nine in episode 10 they're probably

[00:30:04] going home i but at this point as it stands those two things make me happy in a in a complete

[00:30:12] way you can utter world that is just falling apart and not living up those two things are do make me happy

[00:30:18] so i got it's time for us to take a break we'll come back and we'll get to the weight what

[00:30:23] and the sink or swim here on deck the homework

[00:30:36] welcome back everybody uh i'm having fun are you having fun of course i'm having fun

[00:30:40] have fun i'm having a great time i really like how declaratively you said we were gonna take that

[00:30:45] break a minute let's get to the weight what is where we talk about all the things in this

[00:30:56] episode that maybe uh didn't make sense made us go uh huh right now uh Ryan what stuck out to

[00:31:04] let's talk about this proposal guys uh it was it was it was incredibly peculiar uh i just

[00:31:10] thought it was it was it was blocked peculiar um i thought it was strange also my big thing there's

[00:31:15] two more prongs to this is the first being that all of cat relationships have been toxic her

[00:31:20] her her relationship with Elliott is toxic she was about ready to get on the red eye

[00:31:25] with Elliott to england chip chip cherry oh and then she's getting engaged uh to this guy and

[00:31:30] then Dan i agree with you Brady especially in present day stand up guy but he he proposes

[00:31:36] not just mere moments after moments after finding out their pregnant but also mere moments after

[00:31:42] this woman had just awoken from a severe head injury yes and it almost like i mean you know

[00:31:48] not really i thought i do think the emotion overtook him there when he found out that he was

[00:31:53] gonna have a baby but when she still has some some definite memory loss maybe not maybe not the

[00:31:59] best time i think i think he was taking his lead there from the doctor who decided to spring that

[00:32:05] big news on the person who just walked up from the injury it's a doctor can do what i can do

[00:32:10] it right yeah that's fair uh and then only two more for me believe it or not

[00:32:16] at one point Jacob says i think this is when he was like really angry uh he's like he spent more

[00:32:21] of his life in 1814 than in present day but like only by like a few years right yeah not by a lot

[00:32:28] like 15 to nine yeah i think it might be closer like uh and so that one wasn't great and then

[00:32:34] i kind of touched on this in my heart take um but i wouldn't i want to be very very clear about

[00:32:40] this i wouldn't have wanted nick and Alice to resolve and pretty much any other way because of the

[00:32:46] complexities of it and it was all very icky for all three of us throughout the whole two seasons

[00:32:52] here so far but what they do just end up doing and i think Dan you kind of touched on this too

[00:32:57] is they have approximately a 90 second conversation where they were like you know what that was

[00:33:03] kind of weird but all cool we're good and uh that's just bad that's just really bad

[00:33:08] it's really really bad yeah and again i don't know what my alternative would have been

[00:33:12] because i wouldn't really have wanted them to so to be fair to the show it's like i don't know

[00:33:15] what the flip side of that is but i do know that what they did was bad i think when you find out

[00:33:21] that your lifelong crush is still a minor it's the best you got you got to get out of there as fast

[00:33:26] as possible yeah yeah nine seconds is too long yes it's almost too long but brant like why

[00:33:32] why did we do this yeah i don't know why we know why he should have just left town and then

[00:33:38] Ellie should have been like a hey dig nose he jetted and i bet she would have been like thank god

[00:33:44] but even then like the way they resolved it in season one was good enough why bring it back up

[00:33:48] in season two because if the end goal is just a 90 second conversation it's just like

[00:33:54] we got the shock value in season one i just think this was way too much overkill dude's coming back

[00:33:59] on our 18th birthday right in it down right here i'm telling you what's gonna happen oh i hope

[00:34:08] i'm at both states i hope that's not what we talk about we air and shay pulling for that let me

[00:34:14] we had a discussion about this on the phasor group i was pulling for current day nika and Alice

[00:34:19] only because so far in the season they're the only couple that has had a conversation that lasts

[00:34:24] longer than 90 seconds and did not end in an argument so it just oh wow there you go

[00:34:29] it was the only like healthy relationship we'd seen all season he's gonna try to repair so that is

[00:34:35] that is simultaneously a great reason to pull for Alice and Nick and also not nearly enough

[00:34:43] well listen listen it's a shame that that's true this guy is saying it's a shame that that's true

[00:34:49] yeah it's not great but i'm i can't i'm not really rooting for cat and Elliot any more no

[00:34:55] no no no if you're still cat and Elliot who are you

[00:34:58] I'm not really rooting for cat and Thomas and you know like no whenever was no whenever was

[00:35:04] correct right oh you were because of the attack on that i mean i have some you know they're just

[00:35:09] staring at each other yeah they were staring at each other real good they were laying there

[00:35:11] and they were horizontal um i didn't i didn't say that part yeah that was brand i just say

[00:35:17] there was sparks so i'm saying when they were horizontal there was sparks so horizontal spark

[00:35:21] situation so i'm live i all i'm saying is this guy found out that the that the long lost love of

[00:35:28] his life does exist yes and he's gonna go back and try to repair things with his fiancee forever

[00:35:36] that's not gonna happen no because he's now like oh she's real she i thought for the longest time

[00:35:42] she was a would not real you guys have to uh i have to stumble back into town right around the time

[00:35:48] she turns 18 calling it right here right now i hate that i hate that for all of us uh Ryan anything

[00:35:55] else that was it for me brand take it away i have a question and i think i think i think i was just

[00:36:00] thank you i think i was just missing it they get it i think i was just missing it but she so Alice

[00:36:06] comes back from um you know the hospital incident she she sees she has that conversation with cat

[00:36:15] and then she sees a cat find out that she's having a baby and blah blah blah she she then comes back

[00:36:20] to the present goes to Elliott and yells at him and says you tried to erase me yeah absolutely not

[00:36:27] i don't know what no i'm okay good fundamentally dumb because i don't i didn't know it

[00:36:32] Aaron do you have anything there for why she said that yeah i don't understand Elliott knew

[00:36:37] that cat is supposed to know what's Brady and that's how we get Alice but at the party he said like he

[00:36:42] says i know that by running off with cat it would mean no Alice and i was also also contrary to

[00:36:49] what the show is trying to smoke and mirrors you to believe they have established time and time again

[00:36:56] that the past remains unchanged you you cannot still unwritten yeah standing here's the thing

[00:37:02] hey oh yeah i'll put up the dirty window at the sun aluminum and the ones that you cannot find

[00:37:10] reaching for something in a distance close we can almost taste it release your inhibition

[00:37:18] you're right now you're asking thank you i wish we could harm it properly man i know you just

[00:37:25] need to be down here this hashtag get get Ryan to to jeep i don't know what's really log in a weird

[00:37:32] half the end of life yeah some brilliant kid that can plot get all i'm saying is is that the idea

[00:37:39] that cat and no excuse me Alice who has traveled back in time more than anyone in the show that we

[00:37:46] know of still thinks that anything can change like Elliott doesn't Elliott isn't high school

[00:37:53] and he knows that he loves cat that's it all this stuff with Alice showing up that is all secondary

[00:38:00] to his it's his life he doesn't know he doesn't know he doesn't know for sure what's going to happen

[00:38:07] he knows that the love of his life is cat he's not out there trying to be nefarious and Alice has to

[00:38:14] know you coming on here and saying Elliott's not being nefarious is great no show time out time out

[00:38:23] time out high school Elliott I just want someone to take you being like no you could

[00:38:31] yeah it's a villain yeah Elliott this is what the media does that's exactly forget about the 40 years

[00:38:37] are good stuff so yeah you like that right yeah um yeah I don't know who all that was for but it

[00:38:45] was for a few of us out there for sure um I just feel like them trying to act like like these

[00:38:53] characters haven't experienced enough of the past to know that it's not going to change is crazy

[00:39:00] and it's like they're trying to have their cake and eat it too also right in the comments

[00:39:03] they're saying that Jacob has been gone for 24 years so he is he was nine he was gone for 24

[00:39:10] so he actually has been gone almost three times as long than he's been there and he's 33 years old

[00:39:14] which I thought I thought he was 25 I thought he was 24 total that's on me yeah also one other

[00:39:20] quick thing to your point on top of it just being a logical from a story perspective this episode

[00:39:25] didn't need those two scenes of Alice being mad at Elliott there was already so much going on

[00:39:30] yes but just unnecessary thank you guys so that was helpful thank you thank you I do have two more

[00:39:38] I did love when she and thank you when when Kat and Susanna try to jump in the pond it doesn't work

[00:39:47] yeah they go back and Kat's just basically like I can't believe the pond didn't take you you

[00:39:52] write backwards it's the best like oh I can't like I thought the pond would take your ability to

[00:40:00] write backwards into consideration the pond didn't even think about it the pond note knows it

[00:40:07] can you slip that one past the hole knows that you write backwards and said not good enough what is

[00:40:14] and then I also love that Thomas didn't shows up at the farm seas cat there and it's like

[00:40:20] thought I might find you here where else would she be there's two places two places she would be

[00:40:26] there or the pond or back there back up the one in the future so pretty pretty good odds there pretty

[00:40:33] pretty good he is right I did think I did think I would find you here because where else

[00:40:39] where I find you here you weren't in the other place you were in the one other spot that you would be

[00:40:44] so good fifty fifty I nailed it Dan we've covered almost everything stem to stern here um I have

[00:40:51] to draw attention to the one scene with Colton not as horse but as human in this episode where he

[00:40:58] casually says to young Jacob remember we don't go to that we don't farm around the pond

[00:41:06] it's a sinkhole we don't farm farm around there I it couldn't have been more ham-fisted

[00:41:13] unfortunate writing to have this character after us for two years going why don't they know about

[00:41:19] the pond have this dead guy go and that's why we don't far it's like when kids I would teach in

[00:41:26] history in an essay with and that's why history is the way it is today no you can't just tack

[00:41:32] that on there and and act like we we should have known that all along and give some sort of like

[00:41:40] foundation as to why Dell doesn't know about it real bad I think all of that is setting up

[00:41:46] a next next season storyline where we get to see uh Colton time travel I think he has to know

[00:41:54] yeah someone saying that Colton said in the first season that's true because he does say remember

[00:41:58] before it remember we don't farm there but sinkhole come on guys like just be bet like you had such an

[00:42:05] opportunity I'll get to my sinkers when I'm like that's all I'm that's all I'm gonna tell oh also

[00:42:12] cag is pregnant in 2007 she has Allison 2008 we just have a problem with what year it currently

[00:42:18] is we don't know we don't know because the show starts in 2022 and go ahead

[00:42:25] somebody in the Facebook group said there is a calendar hanging in the kitchen that says 2024

[00:42:30] currently okay then if that's the case she is she is now it's only 16 at oldest

[00:42:39] yeah what the problem is in 2022 she was 15 she cannot be 2016 in 2024 which is the age she needs

[00:42:47] to be and if she's born in 2008 yeah there's there's some math up there too yeah so math works but

[00:42:54] then it messes up last week so Kathie's math works if it's 2023 right now if it's 2023 then she's

[00:43:01] 15 currently and she's 15 when the show starts that would work if the calendar says 2024 she's not

[00:43:08] the correct age if it says 2023 last week when Del says she hasn't spoken to Katyn 17 years

[00:43:14] that's a bunch of garbage like guys just get it together also she has to be at least one year older

[00:43:21] because it's winter again like there's technically she comes to she starts school as school started

[00:43:27] again so she has to be at least 16 in 2023 I think so but again I but if she was born in 2008 she can't

[00:43:35] be 16 in 2023 that's what I'm saying awesome man I kind of this is on me I thought this whole time

[00:43:41] she was like already the character was 17 or so that this just makes the whole Nick thing but also

[00:43:46] the character we lost like the actor's like 26 I mean it's it's it's it's say she's 15 still is

[00:43:52] crazy and then lastly I know that we've got places to be things to do but I'm just gonna keep

[00:43:58] harping on this you have yet to tell your mother who arguably did say one of the meanest things

[00:44:05] of all time to you but you've yet to tell your mother that you've met her son again you found him

[00:44:12] you've yet to tell her there's no excuse there's nothing more important you've yet to just go I found

[00:44:19] him the fact that Nick knows about time trouble before dad he's that was the hardest

[00:44:25] to build this wallow here yeah that was the hardest pill to swallow in this episode like once it gets

[00:44:31] out it's like all right we gotta tell we gotta tell Del now right like nicks out there knowing

[00:44:38] and he's gonna tell care bear yeah care bear is gonna know before Del I know it's ridiculous

[00:44:44] tell me it's time for sinker swim it's where we do a little of this and a little of that and then

[00:44:48] we called the sinker swim Ryan what are you singing and what are you swimming yeah I said it

[00:44:53] earlier it's just like I feel like this this time traveling intern thing isn't gonna pay off till

[00:44:57] season three but then like I don't even think we'll see the intern in the finale like what

[00:45:03] why not just wait then it's just it's a no I really quick give this your brief prediction for

[00:45:09] the season finale you got it I mean I wasn't aware of that post I can't fathom what it could be

[00:45:16] I also feel like maybe he's just trying to be a good hype man yeah the episode like you know

[00:45:21] it's like oh you can't believe what you're gonna see we're gonna do the same thing we've done for

[00:45:24] the first nine uh I think Del will uh meet Jacob in 1814 so she'll take a little trip

[00:45:31] to a lot yeah I think she'll take a little I think that that that would be for me the nicest way

[00:45:37] to do all of this she finally she there's no if she ends this season not knowing that time travel

[00:45:45] is a thing and that her son is alive it's gonna be hard for me to watch it's gonna be it's

[00:45:50] that's gonna be tough she cannot in season two not knowing those things I don't see a way so we

[00:45:58] have to tell her about time travel and we have to say hey if he's not gonna come here let's try

[00:46:02] to get you there like let's you have to see your son and that I think will be great and then

[00:46:09] I you know I don't know what I don't know what they're gonna do to set up season three I don't

[00:46:14] know what the cliff hanger is but I I think my my my gut is saying that Colton scene is kind of

[00:46:23] being like hey don't forget Colton knew about this something shady going on at the pond there's

[00:46:29] no way he just thinks it's a single I think he knows something and I think that's kind of what we're

[00:46:33] gonna begin to tease out a little bit maybe towards the end of uh next week's episode leading into

[00:46:39] season three I have a sink but prediction first of all this is a pretty vague prediction but my

[00:46:44] prediction is is that someone that has not time traveled before urgently at the end of season two

[00:46:51] urgently jumps into the pond and much like inception and the top we just see them disappear

[00:46:58] in the water and do not know if they're coming back up or if they're time traveling or not that is

[00:47:02] my prediction for how the season ends some of that was a commercial break with Susanna so someone

[00:47:09] that has not time travel before jumps in and you know that there's a lot of ramifications to it

[00:47:16] and that is where we end season two that's my prediction my sink is and this is maybe the biggest

[00:47:20] sink of the season for the first time ever I did let my mind wander as to what this show would

[00:47:26] have looked like in season two had it still been on Netflix and that hurt my soul

[00:47:31] and it was unnecessary but I felt like I'd share it with the group

[00:47:38] uh Lisa saying can deltime travel since she's not Landry by blood we don't know

[00:47:41] that if that's a rule or not yeah that is seem to be the dog would technically not be

[00:47:46] I mean she's she's signing books at the other autumn fast I mean stop to look for

[00:47:53] oh Kathy says I think Jacob goes back but Kat gets stuck in 1814 that's my biggest fear

[00:47:58] like that we have to spend more time there next season I don't want anything to do with 1814

[00:48:04] maybe they could find another more boring time period for you maybe like Frinch and Andy and more

[00:48:11] or maybe the quasi-war in 1798 yeah I you know that's but that's the fun like if we do the thing

[00:48:20] next season with Colton time traveling we could we could we could have fun in like what the 70s 80s

[00:48:27] something like that I don't know this is Jessica in the chat Braimeljohn plus dot com mentions

[00:48:32] an important point which is if Colton knew about the pond then that's how he would have searched for

[00:48:38] Jacob all along right like he wouldn't just be going to these like what like that seems like a

[00:48:46] pretty big thing to walk back that's good that's a good point so good point hey lots of questions

[00:48:52] and unfortunately this season hasn't given us a lot of answers but we'll see what happens

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