The Way Home - S03E01 - You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet (2025) ft. Ryan Pappolla

[00:00:01] Hi, I'm Bran and I once again love The Way Home. Yeah, I'm Ryan. I can confidently say I like The Way Home. I'm Dan. Despise The Way Home. This is the Deck The Hallmark Podcast. Deck The Hallmark. It's this podcast. Friends host this podcast. We hope you like this jolly podcast. Hi everybody. Welcome back. It's great to be here for the show.

[00:00:39] It's a Hallmark Plus exclusive program. Except it isn't. Alright. They tried though. No one can say they didn't try. They technically tried. They tried it for a day. They tried it for a day. The Way Home. It's back everybody. Season three, episode one. We're excited to talk about Ryan. It's been not a week. You were with us last week. But how are you? It feels longer to me personally.

[00:01:08] How does it feel to be off of the Hallmark Plus movie beat and onto the kind of Hallmark Plus TV series beat? I mean, we should pull the curtain back. There was a series of conversations a few months ago where I was like, maybe I'll be the Hallmark Plus guy. And you know what? Really through no fault or intention of our own here, we landed there. Yeah. Landed where we said we were going to land. Yeah. Yeah, we did. We made it. I mean, you're the way home.

[00:01:32] Yeah, we're the way home guy. You're the way home guy first. That's right. Before anything else. Day one. I mean, I guess day two, technically. But I mean, you know, this is officially, I'm two years in now, right? We started to be way home season one. Can you believe that? That is crazy. I thought this Christmas break was the longest in the best way that I've ever experienced in my life. I felt like I wasn't doing anything. Like I didn't have to work. I didn't have to coach basketball.

[00:01:56] I watched you through the window. You weren't doing anything. All right. Well, that's weird. But I stand where my train belitt is where I jump at night. I can see my entire living room. Yeah, you can see your whole living room. Of course. That's how I saw that your dogs were ripping apart your grill. We do each other favors. I was sitting eating food with my kids and I looked outside. You got a new Blackstone grill. Your dogs were going to town. Yeah. Rip the cover off. Theo's in the grease pit. You got to clean out the grease pit. You got to clean out the grease pit. There you go. That's on you.

[00:02:26] Um, but I'll follow it at TV slash DTH. You can see that Ryan's still got his Christmas tree up and rolling. So I know, but the everything else is gone. But if you ran about this earlier, the ornaments are off. Yeah. No, I mean, it's been literally an all day affair to get everything down, but we, you know, we were in the final stages. We had to eat. And I was like, let's say, you know what? Let's just leave the trees up for another week. I just want to thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Ryan. Thank you. Um, you've been such a good friend. You've been such a good friend to me. And I, and I, and I turned

[00:02:56] to Dan for a lot of things. He's my best friend in the world. And I talked to him about everything. Dan knows everything that goes on in my life. That's true. I feel like it's true. Um, I did not borrow a lot of things over the fence. I did not once text Dan about how sad I was that Christmas was over. I didn't once text them on the evening of the 25th or the 26th or the days after about how I was doing, but I did text with you. And I do want to thank you for your friendship

[00:03:23] and for your service, uh, to me over the past couple of weeks. It goes both ways. Uh, you know, we were really there for each other through a tough time, that tough time being, uh, the hours of Christmas night through, uh, the rest of the year. I don't want to say it out loud because I think people get it, but you guys do have it tough. Yeah. You guys both have it real tough. Like there's people out there who are like, you know, live in houses and eat, eat food whenever they want and stuff. But you guys, you guys have a heart.

[00:03:54] I mean, we sure do. As two fellas, we have it tough. I, I've been very transparent and the, uh, the Facebook group, by the way, speaking about having it tough, there's definitely, I have a fireplace on behind me, but there's definitely ads going on right now. So I'm very strategically putting my head in front of my TV. Cause I don't know what the ads are.

[00:04:14] It could follow it on TV slash DTH. You may catch an ad, uh, you know, probably, probably wouldn't have known if I didn't say anything, but I've been very mad. Skip does not control.

[00:04:24] Ryan Ryan's house.

[00:04:25] And now we found that stuff. We found that, uh, but I've been very transparent.

[00:04:28] Oh, it's Facebook group. Yeah. No, we are. We're good now. Yeah. We have probably at least another hour. So we should. Good. Good. I've been very transparent. You know, I'm trying to buy less this year.

[00:04:37] Let's talk about that real quick before we dive into the way home season three. We got nowhere to be. What's that about?

[00:04:42] Well, you posted on the Facebook group that you, you had a, uh, a vinyl of Allie and AJ. It was $110 with shipping 110. Yeah. Which is too much. That's a lot of money. I would all agree. Yeah.

[00:04:56] I told you, but you, you said in that post about that. And I think maybe you were just hoping someone would buy it for you. I don't really know.

[00:05:03] It was already gone at that point. It was already gone. It was a limited release. Um, but that you want to buy less and, and 2025, which goes against our plan to start the eBay podcast.

[00:05:15] Yes. That's right. So what gives Dan Brandon, the eBay kid deck, the hall, H a U L. Uh, listen guys, like, you know, you come up with that right now.

[00:05:23] No, no, that was somebody in the Facebook group. Yeah. That's really good. But that is really good. I mean, for that reason alone, we should do it. Uh, you know, listen, you know, it's at a certain point, how much more do I need? Right.

[00:05:35] But granted the podcast, I feel like an operate years ago. It really is. After you got, after I got the helmet, like what else could I do? I got a previous prop. Like, but I mean, utility, man.

[00:05:50] I think that the, uh, I listen, I can't, I got to tell you though, I'm actively, actively regretting not getting that vinyl every single day. It's not a bit.

[00:05:57] Right. And I've said this, maybe I shouldn't say this on the air, but you know, we, we try everybody that's a regular host. We try to pay them a little something here at deck, the hallmark.

[00:06:04] And we try to pay you a little bit, not a lot of money, but a little bit of money. And I've, I've suggested that you use that as your eBay budget.

[00:06:13] And that's a fun, like limit to be like, Hey, how much can I get for, because knowing that you're, you nickel and dime that, like, you know what I mean? Like you, you're not out there spending a hundred dollar chunks. You're like, I was willing to go $14 for this Kermit flip flop, but I wasn't willing to go.

[00:06:30] Yeah. But like, but yeah, you had the right one already. You need the love, but like, like you, you, by the way, could you stop back and let that wouldn't be a real scenario that you would find yourself in?

[00:06:40] Yeah. You're offended. I never, I never denied it. So like you, like you could make, you know, you could do that. And, but I don't know, I'm not trying to get you back in the game. If you want to get out of the game, the reality is I'm not out of the game. Right. I mean, I'm going to keep, I'm, I'm, I'm keeping a running list of all the things I want. I mean, like, listen, this alley and AJ vinyl alone, once it becomes available on the secondary market, it's probably gonna be triple what, I mean, now I need it. I mean, it's like, honestly, it was like, I should have just fricking bought it. It was stupid.

[00:07:08] It's only $110 is the big deal.

[00:07:11] Well, I'll just say this, this is kind of like your potential breakup song of you and eBay. Here we go. If you think about it.

[00:07:18] I'm going into the rush. You really are. That's exactly right. We'll see what happens on the chemicals. Yeah.

[00:07:24] Yeah. You nailed it. You took two. That's what you did. Thank you. You want to talk about the way home? Let's talk about it. The way home season three, episode one. It's called. You ain't seen nothing yet. Is that a song?

[00:07:36] It's a song from 74. January 3rd, 2020. Taking care of business is the other Bachman tournament. Dang it. They just went two for two. And I'm pretty sure same album. Wow. I could be wrong on that. Man, that's crazy. January 3rd, 2025 on Hallmark Channel. Next day. Hallmark Plus.

[00:07:59] Which you can add on file.

[00:08:00] That's stupid.

[00:08:01] And it went a little something like this. The episode kicks off with what seems like a flashback of sorts. A woman writes a letter and puts it next to a baby in a basket.

[00:08:12] She grabs a man's hand and they jump into the pond. The next cut to present day, Jacob tells Kat that he's sure that he wants to do this. And by this, he means meeting their mom. You remembered how last season ended?

[00:08:32] Yeah.

[00:08:32] And this was not a surprise to you?

[00:08:34] No, no, no, no. This was all. This is all just set up, man.

[00:08:38] I know. He walks in and Del immediately is overwhelmed by this, begins to cry and hugs him. He sees Alice and says, it's you from that one time. And he remembers her from when she traveled back to his childhood.

[00:08:53] Del is very confused. Kat gives her a notebook saying this contains the story of Jacob's life and all of the time travel stuff.

[00:09:02] I'm sure you won't have any questions after you read this. Apparently she doesn't.

[00:09:07] Cut to Elliot, who is continuing the demo of his house, the wall. Remember he did that thing with the wall?

[00:09:14] Inside the wall is a clock and he's confused for a second until Kat arrives with good news about Jacob.

[00:09:24] Jacob goes upstairs to shave. Del tells Kat that he fits into Colton's clothes. That's just crazy.

[00:09:30] They check on him and Del gives Jacob his stuffed bear as they look at the glow in the dark stars.

[00:09:41] The next day, Kat catches Alice looking at her phone, staring at a picture of Casey wearing the necklace with the engagement ring on it from last season.

[00:09:51] You remember it.

[00:09:52] Alice suspects that they're a time traveler, but Kat thinks that Alice is reaching.

[00:09:59] The family comes together to hatch a plan to explain Jacob's return.

[00:10:04] So they take it to the news.

[00:10:05] They claim that a family found him, raised him.

[00:10:09] Took him in off the grid.

[00:10:11] Off the grid.

[00:10:12] And then all their deathbeds revealed the truth to him.

[00:10:19] They're off the grid.

[00:10:20] They're off the grid.

[00:10:21] They're off the grid.

[00:10:23] Fast forward.

[00:10:24] Jacob is working the land like it's the 1800s.

[00:10:29] Here's what happened.

[00:10:30] They took him.

[00:10:31] It was off the grid.

[00:10:32] There's nothing we can do.

[00:10:33] Sorry.

[00:10:33] Go back.

[00:10:34] Back to you.

[00:10:36] Jacob's working.

[00:10:37] Jacob's working the land like it's the 1800s and he's thriving.

[00:10:41] Kat and Elliot's relationship is stronger than ever.

[00:10:44] And she is publishing her new book that includes the chapter that Susanna wrote, which was previously

[00:10:50] ripped out.

[00:10:51] Del receives a suspicious envelope in the mail.

[00:10:55] Inside of it is a note that reads, your lie is known.

[00:11:00] Apparently, it's not the first one of these that she's gotten.

[00:11:03] That night, Kat pulls out one of her dad's old books.

[00:11:07] She accidentally spills wine on it and reveals a secret message.

[00:11:11] No curses in the water.

[00:11:14] Believe in magic.

[00:11:16] Come to the pond.

[00:11:17] I got to be honest.

[00:11:18] Pretty good song there.

[00:11:19] Pretty good song there.

[00:11:20] She wonders if her dad left that message.

[00:11:23] No curses in the pond.

[00:11:26] Believe in the magic.

[00:11:29] Come to the pond.

[00:11:31] Was it pond twice?

[00:11:33] Come to the pond.

[00:11:34] No, no curses in the water.

[00:11:36] No curses in the water.

[00:11:37] She wonders if her dad left that message and if he knew about the pond.

[00:11:42] The next day, Alice returns from Minneapolis, where she's been with her dad during the summer.

[00:11:47] She's looking very fancy, very profesh.

[00:11:51] She notices a sticker on her, Kat notices a sticker on her guitar, which belonged to Colton

[00:11:57] that says, The Coils.

[00:11:59] She realizes that this was Thomas' last name, Thomas Coyle.

[00:12:04] When they asked Dell about it, she says that that used to be what the old point was called back in the day.

[00:12:12] Called it Coyle.

[00:12:14] Kat has been missing the pond, Susanna, and maybe even Thomas.

[00:12:19] Maybe even.

[00:12:20] Maybe even.

[00:12:21] Maybe even guy who faked his death.

[00:12:24] Katong!

[00:12:25] Remember that?

[00:12:26] I remember that.

[00:12:27] She was wearing that giant pan on his chest.

[00:12:29] Katong!

[00:12:31] Gunshot!

[00:12:32] Katong!

[00:12:33] He's dead.

[00:12:35] That's the sound of flesh!

[00:12:38] That's the sound of a grove in his heart being shattered by a bullet!

[00:12:42] Katong!

[00:12:43] That's how they all sound.

[00:12:45] She and Alice visit the pond to reminisce.

[00:12:48] Kat speaks to the pond, telling Susanna about her chapter being published.

[00:12:52] Alice encourages her to just jump back in.

[00:12:54] It's way less weird if you just jump in than it is with you talking to the pond.

[00:12:58] Kat is hesitant, but ultimately decides to give it a shot.

[00:13:01] She ends up back in the 1800s.

[00:13:03] Womp womp for me!

[00:13:04] She finds the line jump, who explains that Jacob had to jump because the British were coming.

[00:13:10] For him.

[00:13:11] For treason.

[00:13:13] Jumping was the safest choice.

[00:13:14] It wasn't exactly the story that he told.

[00:13:17] He warns her to leave because people still think that she's the white witch.

[00:13:21] Before leaving, she visits Susanna.

[00:13:24] Kat tells Susanna that she misses her, but Susanna insists that she has to stop coming back here.

[00:13:30] Kat promises that she will, but asks Susanna to keep writing.

[00:13:34] Keep writing.

[00:13:35] It's going to go somewhere.

[00:13:36] On her way out, Susanna then sits down and looks at the painting she has under her bed,

[00:13:41] the one that we know will eventually be titled My Catherine.

[00:13:45] Fantastic.

[00:13:47] Thank you.

[00:13:48] Dad said you're full of confidence.

[00:13:52] At the pond, Thomas appears.

[00:13:54] Kat tells him it's over between them, and she's moved on.

[00:13:58] Back in present day, Jacob reflects on how his dad told him to never go to the pond.

[00:14:03] Kat confronts him about why he came.

[00:14:06] Jacob admits that it's true that the British were after him,

[00:14:09] but he is happy that he's here.

[00:14:11] He feels like a coward, though, and struggles to adapt to the time.

[00:14:16] He's just working on the farm.

[00:14:18] That's all he's doing.

[00:14:20] At Elliot's housewarming party, he's finished renovating his house.

[00:14:24] Alice announces that she wants to pursue PR instead of music.

[00:14:30] Everybody is shocked by this.

[00:14:31] Del surprises Elliot by handing him a demo record that she has of Colton from 1974.

[00:14:39] As they begin to listen, Alice notices someone running in the fields outside,

[00:14:46] so she goes to check on what's going on there.

[00:14:48] We learn that Del and Sam have been secretly meeting in the barn.

[00:14:53] So do with that what you will.

[00:14:55] Nearly nude?

[00:14:55] Nearly nude.

[00:14:57] We don't have that segment this year.

[00:14:58] Not this year.

[00:14:59] I haven't seen any press, at least.

[00:15:02] Kat confesses to Elliot that she time-traveled back to the 1800s one last time.

[00:15:06] Instead of responding, Elliot plays another track from the record.

[00:15:11] Kat doesn't recognize this song, but it seems to be about the pond.

[00:15:15] She's like, maybe he really does know about the pond.

[00:15:18] Suddenly, another voice begins to sing, and it sounds a lot like Alice.

[00:15:25] Kat searches first.

[00:15:26] Like, oh my gosh.

[00:15:27] Alice has got a time troll back to 1974.

[00:15:29] I've got to find her, but she's not at home.

[00:15:30] Jacob, however, is at home, and he has another flashback of his dad telling him that he loves him no matter what will happen.

[00:15:41] The episode ends with Alice at the pond.

[00:15:43] She finds a sweater, calls her mom, and leaves a message asking her to come to the pond because somebody else is using it.

[00:15:51] And as she's leaving that message, someone runs up from behind her and pushes her into the water.

[00:15:58] I'm going to push her.

[00:15:58] I'm going to push her.

[00:15:59] And that, my friends, was The Way Home.

[00:16:00] The Way Home, Season 3, Episode 1.

[00:16:02] You ain't seen nothing yet.

[00:16:05] We did it.

[00:16:06] Let's take a quick break.

[00:16:07] We'll come back, and we will break this episode down here on Deck the Hallmark.

[00:16:22] Hi, everybody.

[00:16:22] Welcome back.

[00:16:23] It's great to be here again for another season of The Way Home, Season 3, Episode 1.

[00:16:30] We're breaking it down.

[00:16:31] We're going to act like the second season didn't happen.

[00:16:34] We're going to dive right into this one.

[00:16:36] We're going to share our hot takes.

[00:16:37] We're going to share exactly what we felt about this episode of The Way Home.

[00:16:41] It's great to be back.

[00:16:43] Ryan, what did you think of The Way Home?

[00:16:45] Brian, I'm glad you said that and the way you said it because during the opening recap.

[00:16:50] Yeah, the way you said that was important.

[00:16:52] Yeah, well, no, because during the opening recap, two things happened for me personally.

[00:16:56] One, I said, thank God for this opening recap because I need to cover this show and I need

[00:17:02] to remember what I have in Season 2.

[00:17:04] I love a recap.

[00:17:05] Yeah.

[00:17:06] Yeah, previously on helped a bunch.

[00:17:08] In retrospect, we maybe should have done our recap, but listen, there's only so much time

[00:17:12] in a year.

[00:17:13] The second thing that happened, though, is a lot of it came flooding back to me very quickly,

[00:17:18] and I'll be curious to see how both of you feel about how I'm approaching this.

[00:17:22] I think I know how Dan feels, but maybe I'm wrong.

[00:17:25] I didn't agree with a lot that happened in Season 2.

[00:17:29] I mean, I think we all agreed that Season 1 was maybe the best thing that Hallmark ever

[00:17:33] produced.

[00:17:34] Yes.

[00:17:34] And by the end of that season, we just thought it was legitimately a really good TV show.

[00:17:39] Yeah.

[00:17:40] Yes.

[00:17:40] Not a really good Hallmark show.

[00:17:41] Correct.

[00:17:41] And so we were all, even Bran, even though he lied and said he liked a lot of the episodes,

[00:17:46] we were all really let down by...

[00:17:48] Yeah, I believe I said I loved a lot of the episodes.

[00:17:53] That's right.

[00:17:53] Yeah.

[00:17:54] Yeah.

[00:17:54] We're back, baby.

[00:17:55] Per my contract.

[00:17:57] That's right.

[00:17:57] Yeah.

[00:17:58] Signed in blood at the Bramble Jam Network Studios.

[00:18:02] The things that happened in Season 2 were twofold, right?

[00:18:04] On the one hand, I just didn't like a lot of the creative decisions.

[00:18:08] But that's just me.

[00:18:09] That's just us.

[00:18:10] Other people definitely watched the episodes and did like that.

[00:18:13] The other thing we did not like, I think all of us, was that we thought we had a clear

[00:18:16] definition of the rules of the universe, and we thought that a lot of those rules were

[00:18:21] manipulated and changed, and that left us frustrated.

[00:18:23] But after this recap, and as I went through the episode, my hot take is, we are where we are.

[00:18:29] And I really liked what happened in Season 3, Episode 1.

[00:18:32] I thought it was really good, and I thought it was really exciting.

[00:18:35] We cannot change, ironically, given the premise of the show.

[00:18:38] We cannot change what happened.

[00:18:40] Yeah.

[00:18:41] Which isn't to say that at times, I think I'm going to get frustrated because they did

[00:18:45] change the rules.

[00:18:46] And I don't think that Jacob, adult Jacob, should be in present day.

[00:18:49] And I don't know if all of these X, Y, and Z things are working.

[00:18:53] But, but, if I'm just focusing on what happened in Season 3, Episode 1, I thought it was great.

[00:18:59] I thought it was really, really good.

[00:19:00] I thought it was really exciting.

[00:19:01] And I would say the one thing I worry about with this show, we don't have a lot of time

[00:19:06] for lobster socials going forward.

[00:19:07] We had this problem last season, too.

[00:19:09] As much as we love the lobster social, right?

[00:19:11] But like, the toughest balance this show tries to strike is that these insane, otherworldly

[00:19:19] things are happening, but then also, here's just Alice having like a tough math quiz.

[00:19:24] Yeah.

[00:19:25] Like, the show just has to be about mythos at this point for me.

[00:19:29] But, but, in terms of an episode, sorry, this was long-winded.

[00:19:33] I thought it was great.

[00:19:34] I'll be curious to see where you two land in relation to how we proceed.

[00:19:37] Right.

[00:19:38] I got to be honest, and I'm not giving my hot take yet.

[00:19:40] I just want to tell you this.

[00:19:41] Even though I didn't agree with everything you said personally, a great hot take.

[00:19:45] Like, just well-thought-out, articulate, crushed it.

[00:19:49] One of the best, and you always bring it.

[00:19:51] One of the best you've ever given, just in how you laid it out.

[00:19:54] Really, really good.

[00:19:54] Well, let me try my hand.

[00:19:56] We're back, baby!

[00:19:57] We're back!

[00:20:00] This episode freaking rolled from start to finish.

[00:20:04] Aside from the five minutes we were in the 1800s, I was really hopeful.

[00:20:08] We started this episode, and I'm like, we're forgetting about last season.

[00:20:12] We're just going to go trucking on, and we're going to have a lot of fun.

[00:20:15] And then we're in the 1800s for about five minutes, and hopefully that's about the end of that this season.

[00:20:19] I don't know.

[00:20:20] But the potential of going to the 70s, let's go!

[00:20:27] Really excited about that.

[00:20:28] And I just felt like this episode had a great pace to it.

[00:20:32] This episode felt like it was zipping and zapping, which is not the way that a lot of last season felt.

[00:20:38] There was a lot of like, oh, man.

[00:20:40] It used to be season one was like, we knew we were going to have a good time when we were going to the pond.

[00:20:46] And last year when they went to the pond, I was like, please don't, for the love of God, don't go to the pond.

[00:20:52] We've got lobsters to social.

[00:20:54] That was May Dominguez.

[00:20:55] I had a great time with this episode.

[00:20:58] A lot of fun.

[00:20:59] A lot of questions have come up that hopefully are going to be answered in some way, shape, or form over the next season.

[00:21:08] And I will just say this.

[00:21:09] Yes, you're right.

[00:21:10] Do I wish that Jacob maybe didn't come back because it would make a ton of sense?

[00:21:15] Sure.

[00:21:15] But here we are, and I felt like overall, I got to be honest, this is how bad I thought last season was.

[00:21:23] I forgot.

[00:21:24] I forgot the season ended with Jacob traveling back to the future.

[00:21:29] I did remember that.

[00:21:30] And so when he was there, I was like, oh, my gosh, I forgot.

[00:21:33] And they just go boom right away.

[00:21:35] They jump right into it.

[00:21:37] The pacing of this episode was fantastic.

[00:21:39] I can't wait to see where this season goes.

[00:21:42] Last season, I maybe said we're back maybe a couple times.

[00:21:45] You did.

[00:21:46] And it got away from me.

[00:21:47] I don't think this one's getting away from me.

[00:21:49] I think that this is the real deal.

[00:21:50] We are back.

[00:21:51] Damn.

[00:21:52] Yeah, I'm very concerned about the way home.

[00:21:57] Ryan, to piggyback on what you're saying and a little bit about what you said initially, not your whole thing, we're back, baby.

[00:22:02] But what you said initially about like we try to forget season two ever happened.

[00:22:06] I'm with you, Ryan.

[00:22:07] And I like got into this episode with the thesis of, hey, clean slate.

[00:22:15] I don't love that.

[00:22:16] When shows do that, it shows that they're not the greats.

[00:22:20] But every show has to do that.

[00:22:22] They have to pivot.

[00:22:22] They have to turn.

[00:22:23] They have to realize like Friday Night Lights season two wasn't good.

[00:22:26] Got right out of it.

[00:22:27] That whole Landry, Tyra, murder thing gone.

[00:22:29] Let's move on.

[00:22:30] It's terrible.

[00:22:30] God.

[00:22:31] Right?

[00:22:31] So like that was what I was hoping for out of this was, hey, we mulligan.

[00:22:37] Can you give us a mulligan?

[00:22:38] Can you give us a mulligan?

[00:22:40] And early on, Kat goes to Elliot and is just like, hey, I choose you.

[00:22:45] It's over.

[00:22:46] No big deal.

[00:22:46] And I'm like, oh, my gosh.

[00:22:48] I think they just did it.

[00:22:49] I think with one line and Jacob coming back here, they just wiped away the 1800s and we're never going back there.

[00:22:56] And we're going to have a new season with character development and all kinds of great stuff.

[00:23:03] That's not happening.

[00:23:05] Brand, it's not happening.

[00:23:07] Jacob is conflicted.

[00:23:09] He wants to go back to the 1800s.

[00:23:12] The show that I want to see, and I know this is not fair.

[00:23:16] It's fine if you make a show that's not for me.

[00:23:18] The season one was so good because you have these characters in different places in time that can empathize with characters not in their place in time.

[00:23:25] And there's actual loss.

[00:23:27] You tell me this all the time.

[00:23:28] You're always like, Dan loves when show ends more than anybody else.

[00:23:31] I love when shows end when they're supposed to end.

[00:23:34] Like Shrinking Season 2 is one of the best seasons of television I've ever seen.

[00:23:38] And part of me doesn't want them to make more because I just think it's perfect and they shouldn't deal with it.

[00:23:41] I think loss is important.

[00:23:43] I think loss matters.

[00:23:45] Colton dying and the finiteness of Colton dying I think elevates the show.

[00:23:52] And it elevates the feelings that you get watching this show.

[00:23:55] And to find out that he's just zipping around somewhere loses that for me.

[00:24:02] Maybe zipping.

[00:24:03] Maybe.

[00:24:04] Fine.

[00:24:04] Maybe.

[00:24:05] But my hope for Season 3 was let's go back to the 90s again.

[00:24:09] There's more to do there.

[00:24:10] There's still more mysteries to be had.

[00:24:12] Let's continue this back and forth to understand each other better and to move through loss and to be closer as a family and to learn how to get rid of generational trauma and to use the pond as a fun time travel device to do that.

[00:24:23] I am telling you right now, Brand, we're not done with the 1800s.

[00:24:27] The 1800s are going to be a big part of this season.

[00:24:30] It's going to be a big part of what we do.

[00:24:32] And you're going to have to unfortunately watch it.

[00:24:34] That is unfortunate.

[00:24:35] It also strikes me as a show that is trying to just manipulate the deck for whatever they're doing at the end.

[00:24:45] Like the best shows feel like a very natural progression of character.

[00:24:49] This show feels like, all right, what do we want the end of this season to be?

[00:24:53] Let's reverse engineer it back to the beginning.

[00:24:55] So I'm very worried.

[00:24:56] Are there some things that I liked in this episode?

[00:24:59] Yeah, I think there's some fun to be had with the 70s and the fact that she's singing on this track, which there's some weight what's there.

[00:25:07] But like, I think there's some fun to be had there with like, what's Colton up to?

[00:25:11] What did Alice do with him in the 70s?

[00:25:13] You know, there's this book with the wine and, you know, showing this fun cryptic song lyrics.

[00:25:18] Like, there's some fun stuff here, but I don't have any trust that it's going to come to fruition in a way that is qualitatively beneficial and consistent to the characters.

[00:25:33] And so for me, that's important.

[00:25:37] More important than the rest of it.

[00:25:39] And I don't think that, I think I might be alone in that.

[00:25:42] And that's fine.

[00:25:43] And that's fine.

[00:25:44] I just, for me, I'm worried that we're not going to ever get the show we got in season one again.

[00:25:49] And so if we don't, that's fine.

[00:25:52] If it's better than season two, I'd love to watch a great Hallmark television show.

[00:25:56] But season one was a great television show.

[00:25:58] And I love not having to have that Hallmark moniker in front of it.

[00:26:01] And so there were glimpses here, but I'm very, very concerned that those glimpses are going to fade into the darkness that is the 1800s and the love triangle with Thomas and Elliot.

[00:26:16] And that's where I am.

[00:26:17] And I'm sorry that I think that maybe I'm just being too pessimistic.

[00:26:20] I don't want to be.

[00:26:20] I feel like I'm a pretty optimistic person.

[00:26:22] But if you think we're done with the 1800s, I think every clue of every character here says we're not.

[00:26:26] Well, let's just find out.

[00:26:28] If we aren't, though, if the 1800s are going to be a part of this, is that going to be a problem for you, Brian?

[00:26:32] It could be a hurdle.

[00:26:33] Yeah, it could be a hurdle.

[00:26:34] Do you think we're done with the 1800s?

[00:26:35] See how much time has been in the 70s now.

[00:26:37] I think we'll see them at least in a couple more episodes.

[00:26:40] I could do what they did this episode.

[00:26:41] Yeah, I could do five minutes of that.

[00:26:43] Five minutes of the 1800s and a half.

[00:26:46] Megan said something really good in the chat, which is it seems like Dan didn't like the episode based just on his presumptions of what he thinks will happen.

[00:26:52] I never said I didn't like the episode, but everything else you said is correct.

[00:26:55] I am very, very concerned that they don't know what plane they're flying or how to land it.

[00:27:02] So there are some things I liked in this episode quite a bit.

[00:27:06] There are some things I didn't like or I thought were very silly.

[00:27:09] I thought the episode as a whole better than most of season two.

[00:27:12] So I didn't dislike the episode, but I am very concerned about where it's going.

[00:27:17] So aside from that first line, yeah, yeah, that's exactly correct.

[00:27:21] Real quick, real quick, because I know we're running long, but I know I made this analogy last season.

[00:27:26] But there is the fear that like season three of Heroes was just trying to parody season one Heroes episodes.

[00:27:34] So that like but like, you know, it's like season two is really bad of Heroes.

[00:27:38] And then season three, they said, let's just try to emulate what everyone really liked in season one, except the magic was gone.

[00:27:45] And it just it was they were parodying themselves.

[00:27:48] So I don't think that's what this episode was.

[00:27:50] I really enjoyed it.

[00:27:51] But I do think that's the risk a show like this runs.

[00:27:54] And when you're trying to like totally revert 180 the other way.

[00:27:57] But I do think at the end of the day, they know they're comfortable making a soap opera where everyone can always still be alive.

[00:28:03] And we can always go to a different time thing.

[00:28:05] And somebody could have been time traveling.

[00:28:06] You don't know it.

[00:28:07] And like it becomes the Avengers, right?

[00:28:09] It becomes the Marvel Cinematic Universe where every character is still alive.

[00:28:13] And that works for a lot of people.

[00:28:15] And that doesn't mean it's a bad like it doesn't work for me, but it works for a lot of people.

[00:28:18] And I think that's where they're headed.

[00:28:20] And that's fine.

[00:28:21] Let's get all the feels.

[00:28:22] We're talking about what this episode gave us feels, right?

[00:28:26] So to the point of everything we're talking about, I don't necessarily really love the Papa Landry stuff like in terms of like it's like I don't totally hate it.

[00:28:35] There's elements of it that intrigue me.

[00:28:37] I don't know if it's creative choice.

[00:28:38] And again, I will not say this over and over for all the things in season two that I would have done differently with this one.

[00:28:43] I don't know if it's a creative choice I would have made, but I will tell you that if when Dell thinks she's talking to the ghost of Papa Landry and that's actually just time traveling Papa Landry, you know, pulling the strings on his master plan.

[00:28:58] That's a really cool plot.

[00:28:59] Wow.

[00:29:00] And I thought that was really cool.

[00:29:01] That would be something.

[00:29:03] Yeah.

[00:29:03] I don't know.

[00:29:04] I don't know if I love that or hate it, but I'm now thinking about it.

[00:29:08] He's just hanging out under Dell's bed, just ready to scurry out and give some wisdom and then scurry back under.

[00:29:13] I don't know.

[00:29:14] I almost would like Colton to be the horse more.

[00:29:16] You remember that?

[00:29:17] That was fun.

[00:29:19] That was fun.

[00:29:20] Oh, we had last year.

[00:29:21] That was a fun moment.

[00:29:22] A couple of things really quickly.

[00:29:25] When Alice saw that person running through the fields, it did give me signs.

[00:29:31] And anytime I think of signs.

[00:29:32] Oh, it did give you signs.

[00:29:33] Yeah, I can see that.

[00:29:35] Yeah.

[00:29:35] So shout out to signs, I guess.

[00:29:38] We shout out movies from the early 2000s.

[00:29:40] Shout out to signs.

[00:29:41] Shout out to signs.

[00:29:42] That's right.

[00:29:42] And also shout out to the song from the 70s, the one that he did with, we think, Alice.

[00:29:49] I would like to hear that song more without them yapping on over top of it.

[00:29:53] I really liked that song.

[00:29:55] Yeah, mine was them playing that old vinyl.

[00:29:59] That's the coolest moment of this episode.

[00:30:04] And season one has these character moments.

[00:30:06] And so it seems kind of trite for me to say this is my favorite moment of this episode.

[00:30:10] When they put that needle on the vinyl there and they start listening to this song and then they hear who they believe is Alice in the song.

[00:30:20] Pretty cool.

[00:30:21] That was a cool moment.

[00:30:22] And I was very interested.

[00:30:23] The Colton stuff is bothering me more than it's intriguing me.

[00:30:27] But the 70s and Alice and her coming back with a completely changed, you know, we're supposed to believe that like Alice went and stayed with her dad.

[00:30:38] And now she doesn't care about art and music.

[00:30:40] She cares about marketing and being a big business girl.

[00:30:43] And we're supposed to attribute that to her father when in reality there's a chance she's already been a music star or something like it in the 70s.

[00:30:53] And so now she's doing what she needs to do because she's kind of had the ability to live that life or something like that.

[00:30:59] That was the best like thread for me in this episode was the Alice thread.

[00:31:05] Yeah.

[00:31:06] I think we would all be in agreement.

[00:31:08] And I think you're alluding to this.

[00:31:10] But if we spend more time in the 70s than we do in the 1800s, I'll be a happy boy.

[00:31:14] I think early on we will.

[00:31:15] But I think that the 1800s will be a continual thorn in your side.

[00:31:20] And I think Jacob will end up back there.

[00:31:23] That's fine.

[00:31:24] I don't want him anyway.

[00:31:25] I don't want him anyway.

[00:31:26] None of us do.

[00:31:27] Does anybody want Jacob now that we've seen him?

[00:31:31] No.

[00:31:31] Do we want him in 2024?

[00:31:33] We don't even get to see him elf, you know?

[00:31:35] When elf is like walking around New York and goofing off.

[00:31:38] No.

[00:31:38] He just immediately knew like 2024 vernacular.

[00:31:43] We'll see what happens.

[00:31:44] I'll take a quick break.

[00:31:45] We'll come back.

[00:31:45] We'll get to the wait.

[00:31:46] What and the what is it?

[00:31:48] Sink or swim.

[00:31:49] Sink or swim is what we call it.

[00:31:50] That's what we call it.

[00:31:50] Thank you, Ryan.

[00:31:51] Take the hallmark.

[00:32:01] Welcome back, everybody.

[00:32:02] We're talking about The Way Home Season 3.

[00:32:03] It is back.

[00:32:05] We're talking episode one.

[00:32:07] It's time for The Way Home.

[00:32:07] It's where we're talking about what in this episode made us go away.

[00:32:09] What?

[00:32:09] I'll start with you, Ryan.

[00:32:12] Shout out to Jay and Silent Bob.

[00:32:14] Strike back.

[00:32:14] Wow.

[00:32:15] Obviously done.

[00:32:16] Thank you.

[00:32:17] So other than the embrace with...

[00:32:20] He's a bomb and phantom, Joe.

[00:32:21] Yeah.

[00:32:22] Other than the embrace with Del and Jacob, and maybe even really that, I just thought all

[00:32:27] those early Jacob scenes felt like way too casual.

[00:32:30] I mean, just like...

[00:32:31] I know that there's a time lapse early on into the episode, but you've been looking for

[00:32:35] this dude for over two decades.

[00:32:38] And that first night, you wouldn't let him out of your sight.

[00:32:41] It's like when Han comes back in whichever fast that is.

[00:32:44] And the first question isn't like, how are you alive right now?

[00:32:49] It's just like...

[00:32:50] It's the same thing.

[00:32:51] It's just like...

[00:32:51] It's just...

[00:32:52] Okay.

[00:32:53] Again.

[00:32:53] You're right.

[00:32:54] That's a great...

[00:32:55] Wait, what?

[00:32:55] And to your point, tonally, the show, you know, the math quiz was real fun.

[00:32:59] Like, I know there's not an actual math quiz in this episode, but like, they don't know

[00:33:04] how to make it.

[00:33:05] It needs to be all mythos.

[00:33:06] It needs to be all like, just, you know, let's go hard with the time travel stuff.

[00:33:12] That's the way to save it because it doesn't...

[00:33:14] The people's actions don't make any sense right now.

[00:33:16] You can't convince me that Del doesn't know about the pond.

[00:33:19] That is huge.

[00:33:20] By the way that she responds...

[00:33:22] Here's the thing.

[00:33:23] One of my...

[00:33:23] We can do this.

[00:33:24] This should be the whole wait what.

[00:33:25] One of my wait what's is Del is so happy that Jacob is home that she goes and spends

[00:33:31] some time outside by herself on the swing.

[00:33:34] You don't...

[00:33:34] Like, if you...

[00:33:35] If your son comes back, you're not leaving his side.

[00:33:41] Exactly.

[00:33:41] Unless you were just surprised to see him because you weren't...

[00:33:46] Do you think that he could come back because you know about the pond?

[00:33:49] Here's another one, by the way.

[00:33:50] Real quick.

[00:33:51] Sorry, Dan.

[00:33:51] Another one in relation to Del.

[00:33:53] I'll skip ahead on mine a little bit.

[00:33:54] She finds out about a time traveling pond and we don't even see her one time in six months

[00:33:59] be a little curious to go check it out.

[00:34:01] Yeah.

[00:34:01] So, also, she does that.

[00:34:05] Her son comes home after a couple of decades and a half, whatever, give or take a few years.

[00:34:10] Her entire family and some of their friends all know about the pond and have been time

[00:34:17] traveling successfully for years now.

[00:34:21] And her missing son returns from whence he came from the pond and she's just cool, easy-breezy

[00:34:28] about all of this.

[00:34:28] And now, here's the thing is, if you want to say that that's because she knows about it,

[00:34:34] that is terrible show running.

[00:34:37] Like, terrible.

[00:34:39] Because...

[00:34:39] There's so many reasons to suggest not a two-sees.

[00:34:41] Why would she have done this?

[00:34:42] Yeah.

[00:34:42] Why would she have done it?

[00:34:44] Yeah.

[00:34:44] All this time, pining over...

[00:34:46] Like, oh, it makes more sense that she didn't know about it somehow and everyone in her

[00:34:52] house uses it and some of their friends use it on the weekends.

[00:34:56] Sometimes we rent it out to the neighbors.

[00:34:58] Sometimes...

[00:34:58] Is it Elliot's pond day?

[00:35:00] Sunday?

[00:35:00] He has Sundays, right?

[00:35:01] Like, everybody knows everybody, but Del.

[00:35:03] Elliot doesn't.

[00:35:03] Elliot, listen.

[00:35:04] Elliot, time travels?

[00:35:05] He time traveled once.

[00:35:06] Yeah.

[00:35:11] For decades, and to our knowledge, she doesn't know about the pond.

[00:35:17] And when she finds out about the pond, she doesn't scurry down there for a look at the

[00:35:22] pond.

[00:35:23] She doesn't...

[00:35:23] Doesn't put a toe in the pond.

[00:35:24] She doesn't blink an eye that her whole family's using it and got the friends and family plan.

[00:35:28] She doesn't do any of that.

[00:35:30] She just goes, how did y'all not tell me?

[00:35:33] Are you kidding me right now?

[00:35:36] It's terrible.

[00:35:37] And it's worse if I found out she knows about it.

[00:35:39] But that's the problem is it's bad now, and I think it's going to get worse.

[00:35:45] Yeah.

[00:35:46] That's terrifying.

[00:35:47] It's just bad.

[00:35:49] The matriarch of this family who literally doesn't just own the land, but she works the

[00:35:58] land.

[00:35:59] She don't know about this pond?

[00:36:01] And then that's her reaction?

[00:36:02] No, she knows.

[00:36:03] Get out of here.

[00:36:03] She knows.

[00:36:04] I agree with Dan, though, Bran.

[00:36:06] And if she does know, we've come up with countless reasons throughout these two years as to why

[00:36:10] that would...

[00:36:11] Yeah.

[00:36:12] I don't know.

[00:36:12] Again, I think that's the problem the show's going to run into.

[00:36:15] Yeah.

[00:36:15] You would admit that, right?

[00:36:16] If she knows it's worse.

[00:36:17] No!

[00:36:18] What?

[00:36:18] Not necessarily that she could have come up with some...

[00:36:21] You know...

[00:36:22] Listen.

[00:36:22] Why wouldn't she say she knows?

[00:36:24] Well, if one thing we know...

[00:36:26] Her daughter, her granddaughter, her son, her husband.

[00:36:29] Why wouldn't you...

[00:36:30] I think Colton must have...

[00:36:32] They must have talked about it.

[00:36:33] Her and Colton must have talked about it.

[00:36:35] He seems very intense when talking to Jacob about the pond.

[00:36:40] This guy...

[00:36:40] Something's going on.

[00:36:41] Okay.

[00:36:42] Something is going on!

[00:36:43] Yeah.

[00:36:43] You're just...

[00:36:44] You're grasping at straws here.

[00:36:45] That's the weakest link of this show.

[00:36:46] I love straws.

[00:36:46] You like straws too.

[00:36:47] Yeah, the straws are wonderful.

[00:36:48] The weakest link of this episode, goodbye, is the fact that Del doesn't or does know about

[00:36:53] the pond.

[00:36:53] At this point, they're both bad.

[00:36:54] It's worse if she knows about it.

[00:36:56] You're the weakest link.

[00:36:56] Yeah.

[00:36:57] Goodbye.

[00:36:58] You got a few fresh...

[00:36:59] Go on, Ryan.

[00:36:59] You got any more?

[00:37:00] That's my main one anyway, but I got more, but Ryan, it's still your turn.

[00:37:03] I'll rip through mine real quick.

[00:37:04] What's the...

[00:37:05] What is the intern at the archives name?

[00:37:09] Casey.

[00:37:09] What is their name?

[00:37:10] Casey.

[00:37:11] Casey.

[00:37:12] Casey.

[00:37:13] Casey.

[00:37:13] Kat doesn't believe that Casey could somehow in any way, shape, or form be time traveling

[00:37:20] when Kat's entire existence revolves around the idea that multiple people are

[00:37:27] able to...

[00:37:28] She's like, Casey couldn't be time traveling.

[00:37:30] That's ridiculous.

[00:37:31] I know Elliot can do it, but he's on our friends and family plan.

[00:37:34] Casey's never shown up with wet jeans, not once.

[00:37:38] Not once.

[00:37:39] Like she knows not to wear denim.

[00:37:41] So that really bothered me.

[00:37:42] Are we at the lobster social?

[00:37:43] Man.

[00:37:45] I haven't time traveled, and I've been in that pond for years.

[00:37:48] I'll do this next one as a lobster.

[00:37:50] Would they really have needed a press conference for this?

[00:37:53] Would they really need a press conference?

[00:37:55] I mean, they would, but they certainly should have done better than the excuse they came

[00:37:59] up with.

[00:38:00] I'll let you two handle that.

[00:38:02] Holy moly, Brian.

[00:38:03] I didn't have a problem with it.

[00:38:04] Are you kidding me?

[00:38:05] I didn't have a problem with it, is they don't want to lie, right?

[00:38:08] And so they get as close to the truth as they can without saying...

[00:38:12] You think they did that because they didn't want to lie?

[00:38:13] Yeah.

[00:38:14] They're an honest folk.

[00:38:16] They're an honest folk.

[00:38:17] What?

[00:38:18] They lie every episode.

[00:38:19] They're an honest folk.

[00:38:20] Where were you?

[00:38:21] I was dead.

[00:38:22] I was dead.

[00:38:23] They lie to each other, but not to the public.

[00:38:26] They're an honest folk.

[00:38:27] Not to their constituents.

[00:38:28] You think they came up with that story, not because it was the best they could come

[00:38:37] up with, but because they didn't want to lie to the media?

[00:38:40] That's right.

[00:38:42] I wouldn't like me.

[00:38:44] I'd love to be here for a day.

[00:38:45] Maybe not a full day.

[00:38:46] Maybe a half hour.

[00:38:47] Maybe a morning till lunch.

[00:38:48] I liked it.

[00:38:49] I thought it was great.

[00:38:50] I don't want to be post-lunch, Bram.

[00:38:51] No.

[00:38:52] Lord, no.

[00:38:53] No one does.

[00:38:54] It's my biggest cross to that.

[00:38:55] It's like Ryan getting off a plane.

[00:38:57] Oh, easy now.

[00:38:59] In retrospect, I probably shouldn't have brought all that up.

[00:39:02] Listen, so a couple more.

[00:39:04] This is more of a question than a wait, what?

[00:39:07] Elliot and Kat, is it weird that at no point in this entire run of their relationship

[00:39:12] that's now at least half a year old they hadn't talked about moving in together, or is it just

[00:39:16] like Kat really wants to spend time with her long-lost brother and Elliot's respecting

[00:39:20] that?

[00:39:21] What do you think?

[00:39:22] Can you ask it again?

[00:39:23] I'm sorry.

[00:39:23] Go ahead.

[00:39:24] One more time from the top.

[00:39:25] It's after 11 o'clock here on the East Coast.

[00:39:28] Elliot and Kat, they haven't once talked about moving in together?

[00:39:31] Not once.

[00:39:32] Correct.

[00:39:33] Well, he never had a good enough place, but now look at it.

[00:39:35] It looks great.

[00:39:35] He talked with Alice about it.

[00:39:37] Open concept.

[00:39:37] But yeah, but he didn't talk with Kat about it.

[00:39:39] What's up with that clock, you think?

[00:39:42] Oh, we'll get to the single swim.

[00:39:44] Seven o'clock.

[00:39:44] Seven o'clock.

[00:39:45] Seven o'clock.

[00:39:47] And then it still doesn't make any sense that Del doesn't remember Alice from 1999.

[00:39:51] That's really stupid.

[00:39:54] And Alice's cell phone is Zach Morris level big.

[00:39:56] Those are my wait.

[00:39:57] Yeah, precise.

[00:39:58] It's good.

[00:39:58] It's good stuff.

[00:39:59] Listen, to your point about knowing Alice from the 1999s, the one person that does was eight.

[00:40:07] Yes.

[00:40:07] The one person that does recognize Alice from the 1999 was eight at the time.

[00:40:15] She walks in and he's like-

[00:40:17] It's so crazy that no one else recognized.

[00:40:18] I remember you from when I was eight.

[00:40:21] There is no one who watches this show who could think that that's not an inconsistency.

[00:40:26] And we were forgiving of that in season one, but as the years have gone by, I just think

[00:40:29] it's really stupid.

[00:40:30] Like, it's just really stupid.

[00:40:31] Yeah.

[00:40:32] I mean, like, it's just the fact that he just clocks her in immediately.

[00:40:35] He didn't even do one of these numbers.

[00:40:36] He didn't go like, what do you look like?

[00:40:37] I feel like vaguely familiar.

[00:40:39] Oh, it's your buddy.

[00:40:40] It's Kat.

[00:40:40] It's your buddy from high school.

[00:40:41] Yeah.

[00:40:42] That's his buddy.

[00:40:43] Remember when she used to come over?

[00:40:44] It was around seven o'clock?

[00:40:45] Seven o'clock.

[00:40:46] Seven o'clock.

[00:40:48] Thomas.

[00:40:50] Thomas.

[00:40:50] From the 1800s.

[00:40:51] Your boy.

[00:40:52] Your boy.

[00:40:52] Does say this.

[00:40:54] Thomas.

[00:40:55] I'd rather be alive and a liar than an honest dead man.

[00:41:01] Yeah.

[00:41:02] Now, I don't know.

[00:41:03] Do you want to be in cahoots with a fellow like that?

[00:41:07] Somebody who says, I'd rather be, what is it?

[00:41:13] Alive and a liar than an honest dead man.

[00:41:17] How do you trust the thing Thomas says?

[00:41:19] For the love of God, don't go back to the 1800s.

[00:41:22] Don't do it anymore.

[00:41:23] He's a bad guy and he's up to bad things.

[00:41:27] He'd rather be alive and a liar than have the backbone.

[00:41:32] This entire show is built around people lying.

[00:41:35] I don't like him.

[00:41:36] This entire show is built around people lying to stay alive.

[00:41:41] Literally, it's the thesis of the show is we have to not tell you the truth because then it would maybe kill us.

[00:41:48] And so it's weird that that's a problem for you with Thomas unless you just don't want to go back to the 1800s.

[00:41:54] Emily, you're right.

[00:41:55] Thomas is hot.

[00:41:56] Never forget.

[00:41:58] Listen, I stand by the fact that I would rather Cat be with Thomas than Elliot.

[00:42:04] Right.

[00:42:05] But he'd rather be alive than a liar.

[00:42:08] Team Tomcat.

[00:42:09] Is it Tomcat?

[00:42:09] Is that what we're calling it?

[00:42:10] Tomcat.

[00:42:11] Tomcat?

[00:42:11] Okay.

[00:42:12] I don't like Thomas.

[00:42:13] I don't like the 1800s.

[00:42:14] And that line was enough for me to be like, I don't trust you.

[00:42:18] How do you expect me to trust you?

[00:42:19] You said the quiet part out loud.

[00:42:21] You find lying as long as you're alive.

[00:42:24] Dan?

[00:42:27] I'll just do two quick ones.

[00:42:28] One, maybe it's just me, but I don't take out old family heirloom book and put glass of wine next to it.

[00:42:35] Maybe it's just me.

[00:42:36] I mean, it worked out in their favor.

[00:42:37] It did work out in their favor.

[00:42:39] But typically, open container next to old family heirloom book is not what I would do.

[00:42:46] But maybe it's just me.

[00:42:47] And it did work out once again.

[00:42:49] Maybe I should do it more often.

[00:42:51] Maybe I should get out the old family heirlooms and just dump liner.

[00:42:54] Yeah.

[00:42:55] Do you think she pulled out all the old books and just started going to town on them?

[00:43:00] Yeah.

[00:43:00] With wine?

[00:43:00] It was like, give me some more wine.

[00:43:02] Why stop there?

[00:43:04] Yeah.

[00:43:04] Why stop there?

[00:43:05] Maybe there's more to it.

[00:43:06] And then lastly, I can't believe this got to me in the last wait one of this episode,

[00:43:10] but as soon as Jacob shaves his beard, he is a serial killer.

[00:43:14] Like, I don't like, were you guys just going to try to skate by and not talk about the fact

[00:43:21] that as soon as he shaved that beard, he'd murdered multiple people?

[00:43:25] Are we really not doing this?

[00:43:27] You guys are going to stay quiet here.

[00:43:29] Are we really not doing this?

[00:43:31] I'm not doing it.

[00:43:32] Dan, I'd rather be a liar alive.

[00:43:36] You know what?

[00:43:37] I went Thomas on this one.

[00:43:39] Went Thomas.

[00:43:40] There are bodies buried in that pond.

[00:43:42] That guy.

[00:43:44] Are you kidding me right now?

[00:43:48] He shaved that beard.

[00:43:49] If the pond knew that you couldn't get out of the handcuffs, do you think it would time

[00:43:57] travel you somewhere or would it let you sink to your death?

[00:44:00] No, he's just putting them in there after they're already dead.

[00:44:02] Okay, that's interesting.

[00:44:03] Do you think dead bodies are floating up in 1884?

[00:44:06] I don't know.

[00:44:06] I just think it's an interesting thought.

[00:44:08] Would time travel save you if it needed to?

[00:44:11] I just know that there's a reason you and I have beards.

[00:44:13] We shave our beards.

[00:44:13] We look ridiculous.

[00:44:14] 100%.

[00:44:15] I've killed so many people.

[00:44:16] But no, no.

[00:44:18] Jacob, it should be, the law should either require that he's in jail or has a beard.

[00:44:22] Those should be the two options.

[00:44:24] He shaved his beard and he looked like he wore skin suits.

[00:44:27] He just, it is not, I'm sorry.

[00:44:30] He did.

[00:44:32] You guys can act like, you guys can act like I'm alone on an island on this.

[00:44:36] That's fine.

[00:44:37] You wanted to have some decorum.

[00:44:39] That's fine.

[00:44:40] But I'm right.

[00:44:41] You know it.

[00:44:43] Back to you, Brian.

[00:44:44] Let's get to sink or swim.

[00:44:45] It is where we talk about what we're sinking and what we're swimming.

[00:44:50] Brian, you know the segment well.

[00:44:52] Yeah, I'm familiar.

[00:44:54] I've been lamenting for the, probably what, we've been doing this two hours now?

[00:45:00] At least.

[00:45:01] I've been lamenting all the things they have done that I wouldn't have agreed with.

[00:45:06] And I'm going to stop doing that.

[00:45:07] I'm also going to stop doing this, but this is the inverse.

[00:45:09] So for one last time, because this is where I've always done this throughout the few years.

[00:45:14] Man, Elliot as a villain would have been really cool.

[00:45:17] Yeah, there's not a trace of that in this episode.

[00:45:20] Yeah, they should have done that.

[00:45:20] Wow.

[00:45:22] I think it's officially dead.

[00:45:23] I think he's a dead, honest man as a villain.

[00:45:28] His villain is honest and dead.

[00:45:30] All right, let's do, this brings me to mine, which mine was, I hope that Elliot's the one

[00:45:37] that pushed her in the pond.

[00:45:38] But I think we all know that it is unlikely that Elliot pushed her in the pond.

[00:45:43] Yeah.

[00:45:44] So who do we think?

[00:45:45] Who do we think pushed her in the pond?

[00:45:48] Who do we think pushed her in the pond?

[00:45:49] They want you to think it's Papa Landry.

[00:45:50] Yeah, they want you to think it's Colton, right?

[00:45:51] I think it's either the most likely candidates are Papa Landry or Casey.

[00:45:57] I think those are the most likely candidates.

[00:45:58] Casey.

[00:45:59] To bring up Casey towards the beginning of this episode and then not do anything with it until

[00:46:04] the end where a mysterious person pushes Alice into the pond.

[00:46:07] That would lead me to think that maybe Casey has something to do with it, but I don't know.

[00:46:11] All right.

[00:46:11] Maybe a lobster.

[00:46:13] Maybe a lobster.

[00:46:13] Hey, all right.

[00:46:14] Or maybe Alex.

[00:46:15] Yeah.

[00:46:16] Because he pushed the old Landry girl.

[00:46:18] Isn't that right?

[00:46:18] I'm pushing up with my claws.

[00:46:21] Dana?

[00:46:21] Here's a push.

[00:46:22] All right.

[00:46:23] Okay.

[00:46:23] Sorry.

[00:46:24] I'm on camera now.

[00:46:26] I'm swimming, Brian.

[00:46:27] I can tell you why I'm swimming is because-

[00:46:29] Oh, yeah.

[00:46:29] I was sinking, by the way.

[00:46:30] Thank you.

[00:46:31] Thank you, Ryan.

[00:46:32] Thank you.

[00:46:32] I was doing a blow both.

[00:46:33] I was with the hallmarking because I forgot it was the segment.

[00:46:36] Yeah, you were.

[00:46:36] Of course.

[00:46:37] Thanks, Brian.

[00:46:38] I'm swimming because next week's episode is titled The Way We Were, which, if I'm not

[00:46:43] mistaken, is a film from the early 1970s starring Barbra Streisand and Robert Redford.

[00:46:49] And so that lends me some hope.

[00:46:53] Say it again?

[00:46:54] The Way We Were, a film with Streisand and Redford from the 70s.

[00:46:58] So I believe that we are going to be in the 1970s next week, and that makes me happy.

[00:47:05] Do you think Barbra Streisand will be there?

[00:47:06] One producer, Aaron Shea, looked it up, and it's from 1973.

[00:47:09] Do you think Barbra Streisand will be there?

[00:47:10] I don't think Barbra Streisand will be on our TV screen.

[00:47:13] Don't rain on our parade with that news, Dan.

[00:47:14] It's Rina Salzman's favorite film of all time, so I'm glad I got that right.

[00:47:19] How about that?

[00:47:19] We did it, everybody.

[00:47:20] Congratulations to us.

[00:47:21] I've got to be honest.

[00:47:21] I'm excited.

[00:47:23] I'm excited.

[00:47:23] I'm hopeful to do this again next week.

[00:47:25] I'm doing my best.

[00:47:25] I'm doing my best, listeners who think that I just hate The Way Home.

[00:47:28] I'm doing my best.

[00:47:28] I thought we were pretty positive.

[00:47:30] I'm doing my best.

[00:47:30] What?

[00:47:31] Except for Dan.

[00:47:33] Can't win.

[00:47:33] We'll be back for that, and then join us tomorrow for another one.

[00:47:36] Until then, maybe the first to wish you a Merry Christmas.

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