Tyler Perry's Finding Joy

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[00:00:30] Friends host this podcast. We hope you like this jolly podcast. Well, hello everyone. Hello, it's great to be here today. Another festive Friday. Another week closer to Christmas. Oh boy. No? I need it from you?

[00:00:58] We have already reviewed one of Hallmark's Christmas in July offerings. That's exactly right. Yeah. Yeah. So are you just going to rerun that episode? Oh, we will for sure. But we've got a Rosner movie, Christmas movie, coming out Bramble Fest weekend. As though it were pre-ordered. Who knows if he might even be there? You know what I mean? Maybe to see us rip his movie apart in person. That would be pretty fun. It's every actor's dream. That's right. Right?

[00:01:27] It's what you go into the business for. That's right. That's exactly right. So all four of these movies that are on Hallmark, two of them already aired on Hulu and the other two were just made in 2024 and have been in limbo since then. Is that the deal? That is my understanding, yes. Hallmark. Shout out. Hugh! Shout out. I don't know what... It's like somebody never left. Well, this is what I will say, Alonzo. Yeah. This is... I don't love it. I don't love it. No. Not a good look.

[00:01:55] And I will say it's an even worse look when you find out that a certain other network is also putting out Christmas in July stuff, but it's actually new. Oh, no. Oh, what? 2026 new. Oh, ow, ow, ow. Ouch. Wow. A terrible look. A terrible look. I mean, it was one thing to like, you know, give us warmed over leftovers from the plus, but this is a whole... But we are getting season two of Christmas at Sea.

[00:02:25] Hey! We are? Oh, no. Get your drawing hand ready. Get your crayons ready. You don't have to watch it. You're right. That's true. You have a great time. I got a draw. I got a draw. You have a great time. You get to listen to me talk about it. I had a great time watching this show. I'm excited for season two. Yeah. I'm talking about free content. They... I mean, what does that cost them? Nothing. It's so easy. And it's a commercial for the next one. For the cruise. Yeah. It's diabolical. It's the smartest thing they've ever done, I think. Wow. Doing that show. And the cruise does great for them.

[00:02:55] So, what can you do? All right. Shall we dive in? Let's do it. Oh, my God. Okay. Tyler Perry's Finding Joy premiered on The Prime on November 5th, which... And if you're a Prime Ultra member, you can watch it ad-free. Don't get me started. Prime Ultra. So pissed. What you doing there, Alonzo? Yeah, you got... I'm sorry. For the YouTube. Something is in my water glass, and I don't know what it is. Now our hands are in there, too. I'm just going to deal with that later.

[00:03:21] I thought you were doing some sort of symbolic thing for how you feel about Prime. Prime Ultra? We started talking about Prime when you put your hand in a glass. You're like, uh... Everybody knows what that means. This will show them. No words necessary. Absolutely. I can't believe you did it. Uh... No favorite face, 2025. And it went on a little something like this. Uh...

[00:03:46] Joy is a talented fashion designer in New York City, but you wouldn't know it because her mean boss, Patrick, steals all of her designs and uses them as his own. Despite warnings from her friends Ashley and, uh... Latia? Joy is really into a dude named Colton. Lydia, thank you. Uh... They, uh... Don't think that he's all that into her.

[00:04:15] And so when Colton invites her to Colorado to meet his family and hints at asking her a very big question, well, Joy is convinced that the proposal is coming and her friends are wrong. But when she arrives in Colorado, she finds out that Colton's big question is, will you be my best girl? Girl. Because I'm getting married. Heard of best man, right? Yep. Best girl. How about that? Yes. Getting married to someone else, of course.

[00:04:44] Uh... Humiliated and heartbroken, Joy jumps out of her window into the snowstorm that is happening outside, determined to get home. She gets to the airport. The snowstorm is too bad for her to fly out. They're going to be shut down for at least a week. Uh... She gets a... The very last car that is available to rent. Unfortunately, it is just two-wheel drive. And she ends up driving onto a frozen lake that cracks.

[00:05:13] She falls in. She's about to die. Yeah, man. True story. She wakes up in a small cabin and she meets Ridge Phillips. Yeah, she does. A rugged outdoorsman living in a remote mountain cabin. A bit mysterious. A southern... Many murders her. Nope. A southern accent. Southern accent. Uh...

[00:05:38] I think it's safe to say that Joy and Ridge clash over their, let's just say, vastly different lifestyles. But she, uh, fixes a quilt that she accidentally ripped that was made by her, by his late mother. And that causes them to begin to open up to each other about, uh, personal stuff, family struggles, broken hearts, if you will. Joy's friends launch a desperate search for her, trying to find out where she is.

[00:06:08] They call Colton. They get a hold of him, finally. He's like, I don't know where she is. Please get involved. The search is on. Back at the cabin, wouldn't you know it? I think these two are starting to like each other. And after a night of drinking and talking, we're drinking hooch. That's right. They kiss big ones. Mm-hmm. And honestly, who knows what else? Who knows what else? We don't know. We don't get any tennis balls in this one. We don't get any tennis balls. I was about to say. To demonstrate. We don't know.

[00:06:36] Uh, the next morning, the storm clears and she's like, well, I ought to be heading out now. And that makes him real sad, given their night together. So he plays off. He's like, it's whatever. It was just, it was just a night, whatever. Uh, they get to the main road just as the sheriff's office is pulling up in their vehicles with the friends in the car. Colton is there and is like, sorry about the whole mix up where you thought that I was going to, sorry about that. I don't know how you got that idea, honestly, but whatever.

[00:07:05] Um, and she goes to turn around to say goodbye to, uh, to old Ridge, but Ridge is already walking away. Guess he doesn't care. Back in New York, Joy comes back to work and is promptly fired because her friends emailed Patrick's boss proof that he's been stealing her designs. Naturally, they fire her instead of him. More on that later though.

[00:07:31] So Ridge shows up unexpectedly determined to tell her what he wanted to tell her before she left, which is, I love you. We love you. And they kiss big ones. She tells him that she wants to go back to Colorado, live a remote life. This life is behind me. But before they leave, she gets a call to go back to the office. They offer her Patrick's job. Clearly she's the one with all of the skill.

[00:08:00] She's the one with the keen eye. She should have this job. She's going to get her own line. She says, you know what? It's not the life I want anymore. I spent a week in a tiny cabin. I know what I want now. And it's not this. So she goes to leave. She tells Ridge that she's leaving. Doesn't want that job. And he's like, are you kidding me? This is everything you've ever wanted. This is what you've been working towards. We'll make it work. And she realizes, I was just scared.

[00:08:30] So she goes and she takes the job. And then next thing you know, Ridge and Joy are getting married in Colorado. And I guess she's working. And that, my friends, was Tyler Perry's Finding Joy. We did it. Let's take a break. We'll come back. We will break this movie down with four seconds here on Deck the Hallmark.

[00:09:04] We're talking about Tyler Perry's Finding Joy today. A 2025 Christmas movie that we missed that we're getting to now in June. Of course, it's time for us to share our thoughts. If we're going to start with the hot take, I will start with you, Alonzo. Alonzo, what did you think? Did Finding Joy help you find joy? Nice. That might be putting too fine a point on it. I've seen, I mean, look, has anyone seen every Tyler Perry movie?

[00:09:32] Because I feel like there's just so many of them. I don't think it is possible. It's next to impossible. I've seen more than most. I have seen all of his theatrical releases and a good chunk of his, like, Netflix and now Amazon stuff. More than most white guys at the very least. More than most white guys. Probably also true.

[00:09:52] And so I can say that on the scale, on the Tyler Perry scale, this is better than a lot of his stuff. A lot of, better than a lot of his, like, higher profile, big names involved stuff. Wow. It is still pretty average as romances go. It doesn't do anything particularly surprising.

[00:10:16] But it does have the benefit of two very attractive and very charismatic leads. And I think they do a lot of heavy lifting to make this feel more special than it otherwise is. So it's barely a Christmas movie. It is set over that time of year. No, no, no. I mean, yeah, it is technically, it's December, you know, I don't know, what are you going to do?

[00:10:44] But yeah, it is fine, I guess. You know, I'm not mad at this movie, but it's also, you know, he is prolific to the point of just cranking them out. You know, he's, so many of his movies feel like first drafts. And this one is one of them. And this one is one of them. I mean, unless he's, you know, a stealth Patrick and he has like a bunch of people writing this stuff and he just slaps his name on it. I don't know.

[00:11:14] I don't know how things work over there. But yeah, this is fine. He makes so many movies that I think he has a separate deal with the state of Georgia for a different tax bracket because he puts the state of Georgia before the movie starts. Oh, yeah. Well, that's, you get more money that way if you're really good in the opening credits. And he does. Okay, great. I see it all the time, of course, in the end credits. But Tyler Perry's Finding Joy presented by the state of Georgia.

[00:11:43] Let there be no question. He bought the army base near my high school where I used to go run cross country and convert it into Tyler Perry's studio. So he is a major mogul for the Southeast. It's wild. It's wild on there. Yeah. So this movie, I agree. I thought that the two leads clearly had chemistry. This movie is too long. It is what it is.

[00:12:10] The hard part about this movie is that what the character of Colton does is so crazy. It's absurd. That I couldn't get over it. I kept thinking about how this guy very clearly led this girl. I don't know how you think. How long did he be engaged? And he never said anything. Never said anything.

[00:12:36] And for him, like, I know that at the party that is still in New York, he says like, oh, you're my best girl. And the friend is like, who says that? What is that? So that probably like should have been a sign, but she didn't want to believe like she just wants to go with the flow. This guy clearly she is clearly into him. He says, hey, come to Colorado to meet my family over the holidays. Yeah.

[00:13:05] Not my family and my fiance or my girlfriend. Right. Like what he did is die. He's the villain of the movie. Well, honestly, one of the craziest things I've seen in one of these movies and they breeze past it. Even by white guy in a Tyler Perry movie. This guy is a monumental doofus. Oh, yeah. Why? I couldn't believe it. So, yeah, that was wild.

[00:13:32] And then everything around the movie, like there's so much of this movie is them in the cabin just talking and they are good at talking with each other. Like you feel the chemistry. It works and all that. And then like the stuff with the job and all of that. Whatever. It was what it was. But two leads wonderful together. I just think they went too hard with this.

[00:13:59] Like I literally I kept thinking about it as the movie was going on, which is maybe the sign that either the movie itself is too boring or you went too hard. Potentially both. So I kudos or not kudos. I'm not sure. Well, it's a crazy inciting incident. Yeah, sure. I would say you guys are underselling how crazy the first 20 minutes of this movie is. So the last seven minutes of this movie is credits. So we're at an hour 40. There is a stretch in this movie where these two are in a cabin and it's actually their chemistry is great.

[00:14:29] But that that stretch is not very long because not only is there a very weird opening fashion scene and then followed up by a lot of like banter with her and her two friends and they hammer home three things. Number one, one of her friends loves weed like at least 10 times. Number two, Aaron O'Connell calls her one of the guys no less than six times. Like they hammer home these things.

[00:14:56] Then she gets to this cabin and then finds out she's being asked to be best man, which is a crazy conceit as a beginning of one of these movies. Like if homework ever did that, we'd be like, what in the world? And that would be the whole movie. And then we just glaze past it. And then, and I can't believe it got to me. She then takes a car and drives it into an ice river just straight in like the she's a New Yorker. She doesn't know.

[00:15:24] The road ends and she's like, well, I guess we should keep going forward here. Like all of that happens. All of that happens before we get to the actual plot of this movie. And by that point I was out. It was so hard because there was her literally driving a two wheel drive, you know, Ford escape onto ice. And it, she should have died.

[00:15:51] Like part of me, and this is a just for, just for Alonzo. Part of me thought they were going to go full occurrence at Owls Creek Ridge. And she was, she was going to be dead. It was all a dream. The last moments before she suffocates. By the time we get to the, the sexy dude in the cabin, this movie has already given me four or five preposterous plot points that I just can't. But my brain is going, are we going to get back to that? And we don't.

[00:16:21] That is all to get her to the cabin. That's what that's for. And so is there some stuff that does work in this movie? And the two leads I think is part of it. Yes. But I was so just gobsmacked by how they got there that I just never recovered to enjoying this movie much at all. Just fleeting really. So there's that. It's time for all the feels we're talking about. What gave us feels? We'll start with you, Alonzo. Yeah. I mean, it is the, the, the two of them.

[00:16:47] I mean, Shannon Thornton and Tosin Morinfola, Morinfola, just, you know, specimens. Yeah. They are. Another lift. We got another lift too. Yeah. Second week in a row. It's lift week here. It's lift week. Yeah. Really attractive, really intense together. You're right. Getting them together. This movie has to like write itself in, paints itself into any number of corners. It's wild.

[00:17:16] That it never knows how to get out of. But afterwards you aren't thinking about that. You were thinking about the two of them and that quilt and the fireplace. And, you know, they are very, they very successfully set the, like the stage and the surroundings for those two to have a week together. They do that. The problem is, is they've done a bunch of other stuff before. And that is just so wackadoodle bonkers. No, no. I just like, don't know how to process it. Fair.

[00:17:43] You know, you're the, the, the, this line would never fly on Hallmark, but it sure does work. Like her basically looking at him being like, Hey, come sleep next to me tonight. And him being like, I won't be able to keep my hands off you. And then he puts the hat over his face as if to say, I'm going to sleep. And then she gets up and she says, I don't want you to keep your hands off me. Dude. Better moment than Hallmark's ever dreamed of.

[00:18:14] That's a, and then exterior shots. You know what happens? No. We always need it. No snowballs. No snowballs. Can you imagine? Snowballs start flying out the street. Firewood just thrown out. Sometimes it can just be a subtle. Out the chimney. The exterior shot gets the job done. All right. TF1 America. Whatever. Tano. Yeah. I'm not going to use this as a white what? Because I got three big ones and I will use it here in the fields because I just think

[00:18:44] it's impressive. And it speaks to how little Bran and I really do to work on ourselves. This man lives by himself in the snow in a cabin and his beard and hairline are crispy. I'm talking clean. You got no electricity and you line those things up. What? With a knife? What? Protractor? Dude, I'm just telling you right now. We just got to be better as we do. I mean, we just have to be better.

[00:19:13] If his hairline and beard can look that crisp in a snowstorm in the mountains with no electricity, we just don't have any excuse. So kudos to this guy. It's on point. I don't know how he does it. I don't know how he did it. I can't even imagine lining yourself up with electricity, much less without it. But this guy, he's doing it. That's a lot of practice. Clearly. You should have seen his first attempt. His first attempt just crooked. Just straight crooked. Yes. All right. Let's take a break. We'll come back.

[00:19:43] We get to the way, the hummock. And the way what? Backwards, in fact. Stop it. Reverse it. We're back. Hi, everybody. We're talking about Tyler Perry's finding joy today. It's time for The Way What. It's where we talk about what's in this movement. Let's go. What else? I'll start with you, Alonzo. So, yeah. So, putting aside the Colton popping the question nonsense, which is the blimp size

[00:20:12] wait what on the movie. Yes, it certainly is. All right. So, okay. We open with Patrick, who is a hilarious creation. Yep. But the logo for his fashion house is so bad. It's like P-A-T-R-E-E-K. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We pyramid it on top of each other. It's like, okay, if you're a designer, then the design of your logo would be a little better

[00:20:41] than like five seconds on Canva or whatever this thing is that they've created for him. Okay. So, she falls through the ice. He rescues her. She wakes up in the cabin. And, of course, as a very, you know, modern woman connected to things, she asks, do you have any TV or social media? Now, she said, do you have Wi-Fi? Of course. That's a question.

[00:21:11] Easy. Do you have social media? Do you have any television or social media? Are you a robot? Are you kidding me right now? What a weird thing for a human being to ask. Yes. It seemed like she had to plug herself into the wall. Sheesh. There is a moment where, like, after a few days, they're in front of the fire and he tells her, like, how beautiful she is away from everything, you know, without makeup.

[00:21:38] And she probably is very beautiful without makeup. But when he says that to her, she is wearing makeup. I also loved. Yes, this is me without makeup. I also love when he says you're beautiful. She says, but you were so mean to me. Which implies, like, you can be mean to somebody if you think they're ugly. If you think they're ugly. Those all guys had it coming. But you think I'm beautiful. I don't. How dare you? How dare you? You can't do that. It's against the rules.

[00:22:09] I am no expert in the field of heterosexual relationships. But I'm going to posit the idea that after a night of making sweet, sweet love in front of the fireplace, the first thing out of your mouth in the morning should not be, I can't wait to get back to civilization. Yep. And you know what? I think that might be why it hurt his feelings a little bit. Yeah. A little churlish. I think a little rude, maybe not the way.

[00:22:39] In her defense, she has not been around TV or social media in a while. So she's all out of sorts. Neither. So what are you going to do? She's all out of sorts. It's funny. I just reviewed Scary Movie, which is a thing where they'll make a reference to a horror film and then someone will name that horror film just in case you missed what they were talking about.

[00:23:02] Like somebody talks about how, you know, they're clearly implying that, say, the Regina Hall character is supposed to be like Octavia Spencer in Ma. And then somebody will say, oh, I love your hair. It looks like Octavia Spencer. Yes. You know, in this movie, they talk about how the friends who are worried about Joy and don't know where she is or talking about how she's going to wind up in the deep down or whatever it is.

[00:23:32] The sunken place. The sunken place. Thank you. They make several references of this. And then finally, somebody says, like it and get out. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Correct. We got there. Yeah. But thank you. You know, just in case for the for anybody in the back row who missed it. And then just finally, I love that when when she gets fired the first time that not only does Patrick like sneer at her.

[00:24:02] It's in slow mo. Yeah. Yeah. The old slow mo sneer. Slow it down. So you just get every drop of the of his of his villainy. And I'm like, wow. OK. Tyler Perry never won for subtlety and not starting now. I'm still confused, Alonzo. Maybe you can tell me what I missed. What what changed from firing to do? Yes. Yes. OK. When they fire her, the boss guys.

[00:24:30] First of all, she she still lies and says, well, I mean, they were kind of my ideas, but he better. And then they fire her because the the anonymous email that was sent to them came from her computer. Because I guess a high friend does not have TV or social media of her own and borrowed Joy's laptop to send this thing. But then the second time she comes in, dude has done more research and talked to her design

[00:24:58] professor who attests to the fact that, yes, this is the stuff she was creating in 2012. OK. OK. Clearly it was stolen. And that's when he comes to realize, OK, you aren't just a bad apple. You really do earn this complaint. Then you have been ripped off by this hack. All right. Very good. Thank you. Anything else? That's it. I did. When she first gets to the cabin, he says, you're one of those.

[00:25:26] I need my latte New Yorkers as if lattes are exclusive to New York. The cafe latte. It's a New York creation. For sure. Look, it's either that or you're gluten free or you're vegan or you're macrobiotic. You tell your avocado toast. It's a short list of Christmas movie like, you know. You know how Rice-a-roni is a San Francisco treat? A latte is the New York Sunday treat.

[00:25:56] That's exactly right. That's why they can't sleep. As wonderful. They never sleep. Yes. As great as the scene was where he goes and he sits in the chair instead of laying next to her and what happens that follows that happens. I couldn't help but notice that that's the chair he's been sleeping in all week. And brother, I'd be feeling that for the rest of my life. That's right. That's not a sleeping chair. I'd have been in the floor so quickly.

[00:26:26] I just couldn't do it. I couldn't do it. You're not a mountain man with a perfect beard. I'm not a mountain man. That's right. You don't even take care of your beard like that. I know. I don't have a hat to put over my head. Nothing. Man, I just, just kudos. Do better. I know. Does he have money lying around? What's his story? Because he, obviously, he flies to New York so he had some money. But then he, when he's like, when she says, I want to go back to Colorado, he's like, I'm

[00:26:54] going to, I'll get us, I'll get you a ticket today. Yeah. Like, but he doesn't have. He's just sitting on money. Money doesn't mean much to that. Did I miss anything, Alonzo? Like, where does he, did he have a lot of money lying around from like, I mean, like the, the family was like ranchers, right? He talks about that. Yeah. But like, I was never clear what he does. I don't think, I think he lives off of the lake. Like he doesn't have my, the way that they set it up is he's a truly, he's off the grid

[00:27:24] entirely, which wouldn't mean that you don't need money in theory because you, you eat what you catch and you don't have power and you don't have a water. But like something happened to like, like, he didn't have a former wife or something and they died and he made like, the mom is dead. The dad remarried and he's been sort of estranged from his family. My impression was he spends Christmas at the cabin. So as not to be with the dad and the new wife, but I don't understand.

[00:27:54] I don't know where he is the rest of the year, what he does the rest of the year. Oh, okay. I didn't, I wasn't there. He wasn't there. I didn't get that. I got, I got, I just, for some reason I, I assumed that this is the life he lives. I thought he lived there too, but that makes sense. That makes sense. My, we'd have to take it to the tape here. My understanding was the, the dad got remarried. His brothers were on board for that. He resented the fact that the dad moved on. So rather than spending Christmas with them, he comes to the family cabin. So he does, so that would be, he's got some sort of job then.

[00:28:23] I guess, you know, it's, it's, it is apparently not important for our purposes here. And so we don't really find out a lot about that. Yeah. So I've, he's just buying flights left and right. It's really going hard on that. It's a point. Yeah. I mean, they're all on spirit, but yeah. Right. Rest in peace, obviously. Um, uh, my last one is, uh, she, she tells this, the boss, I'm not going to do this. That's right. I'm out.

[00:28:50] And when he's there having this conversation, he is leaning up against his desk, right? She leaves. She has full conversation with Ridge about you should do. And this is probably like on, on screen, like a four ish, four or five minute conversation. Yep. She goes back into the office. This guy has not moved. He is still leading up.

[00:29:16] He's leading up against his desk, which I kind of like to think that he's like, I knew you'd be back. I knew you'd be back. Yeah. I'll just stay. I'll stay. I'll wait for you. He was counting down from a hundred. Yeah. Watch. He said it was assistant. Watch this. She'll be back. Watch this. She'll be back. Uh, Dano. Yeah. I've got, uh, two. We've really got to dig into. I'll do two quick ones beforehand. This guy does not tell her about her being his best man. Like the whole time they're in New York. Best woman.

[00:29:45] But literally once they get there, he cannot wait till she puts her bags down. Like literally she is freezing cold. Hasn't gone to freshen up anything. What? How? How did you? He said, she just got off the plane for God's sake. How is this? Like there's that. And then just the moment. Second of all, she talks to someone at the airport that looks like they're dressed as a flight attendant, but they probably just work at the airport that says there's no flights in or out for a week. What are you doing there? Why are you there right now?

[00:30:14] If there's no flights in or out for a week, that's not, it's a tiny airport. I worked at a tiny airport. You just shut that down. You just shut it down. That's all you do there. Now let's get to the meat of this situation. If you are a mountain man or a man that lives in a secluded cabin with no television, social media, wifi, and you in the middle of a snowstorm, rescue a woman from certain death.

[00:30:38] And you happen to have one pair of women's boots in your cabin. The way to make it as weird as possible is by asking this woman that you save what shoe size she is. Why did you ask that question, sir? Unless you're going to wear her skin like a suit. Thank you. The only way to make it weirder is if he said, I think I know the answer to this. Yeah, that's right. So I just want to make sure I get this.

[00:31:08] You've got a pair of eight and a halves here. The fact that you don't explain that is a little scary. Instead of just going, you look cold. I do have this one pair of women's boots, which would be creepy. Instead of doing that, you go, what's my shoe? Are you? No, no, buddy. That's not what a normal person does. Getting to know you.

[00:31:35] I think that's also, Alonzo, why everything he does early on in the cabin leads me to believe that he lives. Why has he got a pair of women's boots up there? He doesn't interact with people, right? That's crazy. He's somebody who lives remotely and doesn't know that it's weird to ask somebody what shy suit you got to say.

[00:31:57] If this is like the family cabin they would go to for holidays or stuff, and it would make sense if the mom had a pair of boots that stayed there. Yeah. You know, if you had a lake house, you would have like- I buy that he doesn't live there all the time. I'm willing to grade that. Although, while watching, I didn't think that. He just gives a guy in cabin vibes. The way he handled the- He's trying to give the thing where like we're supposed to think who is this creep, and then

[00:32:26] as time goes by, we get context and find out that it was all well-intentioned. I'm just telling you right now, it can't be creepier than how he handled that situation with the shoes. It's not- It's, you know, if you ask that question, you're either asking it because you're about to murder her or because you have multiple different sizes of women's boots. Exactly. I might have a seven and a half or maybe a six and a half. Let me look at back. He says that he pulls a curtain back, and it's just a wall, and you're like, what in the world is happening?

[00:32:57] And that is not as bad as his next move, which is, you have an outhouse with a metal toilet seat, and you didn't give anybody a heads up? There is a scene in this movie where this woman goes to use an outhouse in sub-freezing temperatures, pours water on it first, and freezes herself to the toilet seat. Why is that toilet seat not plastic? Why in the world would you have an outhouse- Ceramic even.

[00:33:26] Ceramic. Why would you have an outhouse with a metal toilet seat, a specific like metal that would get cold in your own house? Much yet in zero degree temperatures. And then to send her out there and to go, best of luck. What in the world just happened? Like, as soon as she walks out the door, he's going to be like, well, her ass is going to get frozen.

[00:33:53] Like, how in the world did that happen? Like, I know it's played for laughs, but brother, you got to give a heads up. You got to. FYI, that seat, cold as the Dickens. And also will freeze with any liquid. Yeah. Make sure you- It did make for a nice shout out to Christmas Story and the flag. Yes. Yes. But like, at first I was kind of like, she's got to know better. But then I was like, wait a minute. An outhouse?

[00:34:20] There's not an outhouse in the world that's like, well, we don't have running plumbing, but what if we made the seat metal? What are you talking about? Get out of here. It does seem like a mistake. Yeah. It seems like a mistake. Who even makes a metal toilet seat? Because it seems like in a hot place, it would also be bad. Yes. That's the thing. It's like Ralphie or whoever gets his tongue stuck because it's something designed to hold something up and withstand the temperatures not to sit on. Yeah. Guys. No. No.

[00:34:51] It's all I got. Hey, what if we do the Ralphie flagpole bit, but, but. Yeah. That's probably how it came to be. Lisa in the chat said the clothes are his mother's, which is fine. That doesn't change my white one at all, but it does explain why he doesn't live there all year long. Those clothes where his mom says mom and dad used to go to the cap. It doesn't explain how creepy he's being when he goes, I think I have an eight and a half or I think I have a like, I don't know if these will fit you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. What the homework? Alonzo? Yeah. I'm curious. What does he do? Where does he live the rest of the year?

[00:35:21] And that's the ultimate one at this point. Yeah. And it's assuming that even, and if she's, you know, working remote, which she certainly should and more power to her, you know, did they finally get social media in that cabin? Yeah. You, I mean, you probably need it. You probably need it. Yeah. Mine is, there's a mini montage that happens in this movie where they show them like having good, a good time. Yeah.

[00:35:46] And one of the things that they show a couple of times is him trying to feed her some sort of like cream yogurt looking thing. She's holding her nose to like try to. And then he's like, yeah, see, what, what was it? What was that? I don't know. What is this thing? This mystery substance that he is trying to get here? He's cooked without any electricity. What is it? What, what, what is it?

[00:36:17] And like the other scenes are just them laughing or whatever. And they, they put this in like three different times spread out. And I was like, this isn't very fascinating thing. What is this? Dan? Yeah. Mine is, is who is this guy? He doesn't live there. We know a little bit of his backstory, but what is, what does he do for money? Where does he live? I think that's the ultimate million dollar question right now. Well, you know, Nathan Raymond, Nathan Rabin, of course, famously coined the phrase, you

[00:36:42] know, manic pixie dream girl talking about the, the love interest in indie movies. The girl who's sort of like, she's kooky and she's there to sort of help the guy like, you know, open up and blah, blah, blah. And our friend, Whitney Seibold, who Daniel and I had on a film and a movie once created the, uh, the male counterpart, which is the flawless rescue stud. Yeah. Flawless rescue stud. I love that. That's what this guy is for sure. One hundred percent. For sure. Uh, we did everybody. Congratulations to us.

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