When Calls the Heart - S12E04 - Dancing Teens (2025) ft. Jacklyn Collier

[00:00:00] [SPEAKER_02] Hi, I'm Brandon. I love When Calls the Heart. Hi, I'm Jax and I like When Calls the Heart. I'm Dan and I despise Footloose. I mean, When Calls the Heart and this is the Deck The Hallmark Podcast. Deck The Hallmark, it's this podcast. And friends host this podcast. We hope you like this jolly podcast. Now, Dan, I don't want to put you on the spot. Hi, everybody. Welcome. Hi, welcome. Yeah, just dive right in. Fun episode today. We're talking about dancing teams.

[00:00:37] [SPEAKER_01] Is this like a hooded button, like a hooded corduroy shirt? That's exactly what it is. I love it. It is actually super stylish. I love it. My wife got it for me from Timu. I think she paid all of $2 for it. Yeah. Thanks, Timu. Shout out, Timu. Shout out. Guys, Timu, I've only gotten one thing from them and it was maybe like a day late, but still very, very much on time. And they keep sending apology emails with discounts. It's a day late, but on time.

[00:01:07] [SPEAKER_01] It's a day late, but still very much on time. They're saying it was late. It seemed on time to me, but they keep sending emails like we're so sorry it was late.

[00:01:17] [SPEAKER_03] I refuse to download the app. I refuse to download the YouTube app.

[00:01:20] [SPEAKER_02] What you don't know about Timu is everything is a way for you to get onto the app and then do some more sort of weird like wheel thing. And it's like you're getting 100% off one item and you're like, well, I might as well get more than one item now. Yeah. And then it gets out. They're a fully lost leader is what they are. But I'm not on the app. I think I've saved money that way too.

[00:01:42] [SPEAKER_01] I didn't even know there was an app, so I guess I'm not.

[00:01:45] [SPEAKER_03] There's an app.

[00:01:46] [SPEAKER_01] There's an app for that.

[00:01:47] [SPEAKER_03] The one time I saw something I liked, I clicked on it. It was like, you got to download the app for this. And I was like, no, I'm not going to.

[00:01:52] [SPEAKER_02] Yeah. I'm out. See you. So, uh, oh, Dan, you were a teacher once. I was a teacher once. And you would do a full lesson about the Charleston. Oh, listen. And you would stand up and you would do the Charleston to teach the kids how to do the Charleston. So are you willing to? We don't have the camera angle for it here.

[00:02:16] [SPEAKER_03] And that's unfortunate. No, no, no. It's fine. It's fine. We don't. See, I could do just this one. You could still shimmy. There you go.

[00:02:21] [SPEAKER_02] Now, the thing about the Charleston. You swing your hips a little bit. I'm joshing a little bit. You would do a little bit of a thing about the Charleston. I would. That's true. But the reason why the Charleston works for Dan is because it is one, uh, it's in the. One step at a time. It's in the, the, the ska space. It is. It's basically skanking. Skanking minus. The skanking minus. That's all it is. So it's right in your wheelhouse. You see Charleston and you get a little excited.

[00:02:45] [SPEAKER_01] Were you guys skanks when you were growing up?

[00:02:48] [SPEAKER_03] I was, I was not a skank. That's a different thing. I was a big ska fan that would go and skank. He was a skanker. Regularly. He would skank. Yes, I was. He would skank. And I'm proud of it. But he wasn't a skank. Most would say they're not proud of it. I am proud of it. And I also will say, do a little bit of a bit, but we, every year in my US history class, we would do something called teaching the decades where every, every group would have to pick a decade, 20, 30s, 40s, 50s. And they had to teach the entire class period. So not a 10 minute presentation.

[00:03:15] [SPEAKER_03] They had to teach 50 minutes and basically make us feel as though we're in that decade. That was an assignment that I came up with.

[00:03:21] [SPEAKER_01] That is magical. That is magical. I love it.

[00:03:25] [SPEAKER_03] And it allows people to remember the culture and the wherewithal of the decade and not just from memorized dates. I know. Teaching. Right?

[00:03:30] [SPEAKER_02] And Charleston would take about 30 minutes.

[00:03:32] [SPEAKER_03] I had, well, I had some, you know, there was a rubric. You couldn't do that. But most groups that did the 20s did teach the class to Charleston. It was like at least half the time I did that assignment, the 20s group was like what we're teaching in the Charleston. So have taught the Charleston in class technically.

[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_02] Technically you have. Yes. That's exactly right. Jax, what's your experience with, with the Charleston?

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_01] Um, so I learned the Charleston probably when I was six or seven and I used to do it at all the dances in high school. Needless to say, not, not very popular.

[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_03] In high school.

[00:04:12] [SPEAKER_01] And not very, you know, I, and I'll say this.

[00:04:14] [SPEAKER_03] Pennsylvania behind all the times.

[00:04:17] [SPEAKER_01] And the polka, and the polka.

[00:04:18] [SPEAKER_03] Just a mining town in Pennsylvania.

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_01] Just a mining town.

[00:04:21] [SPEAKER_03] Doing the Charleston in the 2000s. Can I ask you this?

[00:04:26] [SPEAKER_02] Uh, Jax, did you in, um, in PE, did you ever have a, uh, like a, uh, square dance. Yeah. You had to learn square dance. Classic.

[00:04:35] [SPEAKER_01] We did.

[00:04:35] [SPEAKER_02] What was that about? What was that? Why did all of us growing up in physical education learn, learn to do that?

[00:04:42] [SPEAKER_01] Wait, actually, I never thought about it. Why did we do that?

[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_03] I think it's a good, I think that physical education curriculum was designed to be physical activity, not to be sports. And so the idea was to have a well-rounded education, including the presidential physical fitness award, uh, dancing and then some sports and then some other physical activities. I think it was a part of like making it to where it wasn't a jocks club or a club where it's like, if you didn't love sports now, what's funny though, is all PE teachers are just

[00:05:13] [SPEAKER_02] like coaches. And so having the football coach be like, all right guys, it's hoedown day. Dude, I remember. It's funny. It's just a funny thing.

[00:05:21] [SPEAKER_03] At Shannon, they remember when Hap did a dancing unit and everybody gave him such a hard time. And I was like, this is part of the curriculum. You don't just chuck a few dodge balls at kids. And like, it's mainly that. Like I shout out to good PE teachers because there are not enough of them. And it should be like my kids this year in PE learn how to do a cup stacking, which doesn't sound like physical education at all, but it is, it is.

[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_03] And like learning how to, yeah, basically. But it's like they had to, like, we bought them like cups at home and they would work on it and they loved it. So shout out.

[00:06:01] [SPEAKER_00] Go ahead, Erin. Hi, Erin. Hi. Can I ask a question? Good morning. Did you guys just do square dance or like other styles? You did the Cotton Eye Joe. We, cause we had a whole dance unit where we did swing dance, square dance. We learned the electric slide, Cotton Eye Joe, Wyatt. Like we did all these dances you would have to know for popular culture at the time, but then also like swing dance, square dance, Cotton Eye Joe, like, um, cha-cha slide. Like we did all that and also swing dance, square dance.

[00:06:30] [SPEAKER_03] Yeah. We definitely didn't do any of that growing up, but we are helping out soldier boy.

[00:06:34] [SPEAKER_02] We did your boy. Yeah. Dougie.

[00:06:37] [SPEAKER_03] You're helping. You are helping out the awkward middle school boys at the dances. Like you are helping them so much by teaching them the basic cha-cha slide electric, just the basic ones. So they can dance a little bit at these dances and not stand there awkwardly the whole time.

[00:06:53] [SPEAKER_00] So that's if you want to.

[00:06:54] [SPEAKER_03] Yeah. You leave your friends behind.

[00:06:55] [SPEAKER_00] Spoiler alert. They still stood there awkwardly. Yeah. They still do.

[00:06:58] [SPEAKER_03] And they knew the dance. Unbelievable.

[00:07:00] I know.

[00:07:00] [SPEAKER_03] That doesn't sound.

[00:07:01] [SPEAKER_00] We gave them everything.

[00:07:01] [SPEAKER_03] That doesn't sound like middle school boys that I know.

[00:07:04] [SPEAKER_02] No. Um, all right.

[00:07:05] [SPEAKER_00] Shout out to my swing dance partner, Ryan. You were great. Shout out to Ryan. Ryan, if you're listening. Wow. What's Ryan up to these days? I don't know, but if he's listening, call me. Wow.

[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_02] A lasting impression.

[00:07:18] [SPEAKER_03] And Aaron's phone number is.

[00:07:22] [SPEAKER_02] Wouldn't that be wild? Ryan. That would be so romantic. Your swing dance partner. Heard you on a podcast. What a time.

[00:07:30] [SPEAKER_01] Oh, we'd play this at the wedding. We would play this at the wedding. The whole thing.

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_02] Yeah. We'd play this at the wedding. For sure. Ryan, we love you, bud. Shout out to Ryan. We love you. Hey, take care of her, okay? God.

[00:07:41] [SPEAKER_03] Now we've made it all the way back to the 20s.

[00:07:43] [SPEAKER_02] That's right. That's right. Hey, hey, have her back before nine. All right, bud. That's right. All right. Let's do one calls the heart season.

[00:07:49] [SPEAKER_00] Which one of you is chaperoning?

[00:07:50] [SPEAKER_03] 9 p.m. I think we're both chaperoning. We're both chaperoning. I'll be there. 9 p.m. No way. All three of you are chaperoning? Yeah. We'll sit at a different table. I mean, it'll be adjoining, but we'll sit at a different table. That's right.

[00:08:00] [SPEAKER_02] You'll barely know where they're from. Probably the best. I'll walk my wits and crack my knuckles. That's right. Then we'll put where's Hall's shirt.

[00:08:10] [SPEAKER_00] If the day doesn't go well, I do leave my table. Join your table.

[00:08:14] [SPEAKER_02] You hear that, Ryan? That's on the table. When Calls to Heart Season 12, Episode 4. It's called Dancing Teens. It originally premiered on January 26, 2025, and it went a little something like this. Bill is playing mediator between Lucas and Lee. They're still at odds. It's not going well. Elizabeth catches wind of Allie's dance party. She's very excited about this and offers to teach them how to dance. And they're like, well, do you know the Charleston?

[00:08:42] [SPEAKER_02] And she lies, and she's like, of course I know the Charleston. I'll teach you in a couple nights. Allie tells her that Nathan doesn't know about the dance and wants to keep it a secret for now because not sure how he's going to respond to the dance situation. Bill and Rosemary bring the case of the coin to Nathan, and he encourages them to take the lead on this one.

[00:09:09] [SPEAKER_02] He tells them it's nice to see them working together again. Yeah. I agree. Speaks for all of us. When the topic of the dance comes up with her parents, Angela seems uncomfortable about this. They assume that it's because she's never been to a dance like this before, but maybe there's more to it. But Allie is all in on Wyatt, and her friends invite him to the dance. She's nervous that word is going to get back to her dad since everybody in town is talking about the dance.

[00:09:38] [SPEAKER_02] Just then she sees Oliver coming, who works with her dad, and she invites him to the dance. I think there might be a new love triangle in town, everybody. It's very exciting. Elizabeth goes to the library to get some books about dancing. When she sees Angela is in there looking sad, she opens up about how she's worried about how her friends are going to view her at the dance. And also she's kind of nervous because she's blind.

[00:10:08] [SPEAKER_02] And so what if she doesn't know what she's actually doing? And so she finally goes and she talks to her dad about this, and he tells her that dancing isn't about how you look. It's about how you feel. Amen? Mm-hmm. Nathan finally just asks all the ska heads out there. Nathan finally finds out about the dance, and he gets into a little bit of a fight with Allie. He doesn't think that she's ready to throw a party by herself, seeing as how she's somewhere in between 12 and 20 years old.

[00:10:36] [SPEAKER_02] Elizabeth comes in with a crazy idea, one that we also have in regards to Ryan and Aaron. We have a chaperone. What if we chaperone? What if we chaperone? Apparently, Mae Sue knows about dancing, specifically the Charleston, so she teaches Elizabeth and Rosemary, and they have quite the time. Lucas goes to take a look at the land that he's fighting with Lee over, and wouldn't you know it, Edie is there.

[00:11:02] [SPEAKER_02] She offers to show them around and talk about cattle and stuff. Molly's very nervous about how the kids are going to be dancing. Someone's going to get hurt. She wants the party to be canceled, and she requests a town meeting to talk about the dance. They all agree, the town does, to let the dance continue if there are more chaperones. So, same thing. Same thing. We're going to need more.

[00:11:28] [SPEAKER_03] Three chaperones for two people dating. I think that's fair.

[00:11:31] [SPEAKER_02] Angela tells her dad that she wants to go to a school for kids who are blind so that she can feel and learn with kids that are like her. And he just kind of listens, and that's nice. Lucas and Edie try to capture a calf. Luckily, he has a lasso. Edie had told Lucas that she was engaged to be married, so when he notices that her ring has fallen off, she's like, it's not a big deal. The ring actually doesn't matter. I'm not engaged anymore.

[00:12:00] [SPEAKER_02] I just wear the ring to keep boys at bay. Got to keep the boys at bay. Got to keep the boys at bay. He takes that information and immediately goes over to a goat and picks the goat up.

[00:12:10] [SPEAKER_03] Yeah.

[00:12:11] [SPEAKER_02] Very impressive.

[00:12:12] [SPEAKER_03] Just lifts a goat. Just dead cleans a goat.

[00:12:15] [SPEAKER_02] Whenever you find out that the person that you're digging is not engaged, you go and you pick up a goat. You pick up a goat. It's nothing. The person's going to be like, wow, that's amazing. It's time for the dance, but no one is dancing, so Oliver gets out there and begins to cut a rug. Allie goes out there and joins them. The dance is now a smash success. Molly and Judd dance. You remember Judd? Yeah. I don't really care about them, and I want that on the record, but Judd does say something that I had to include,

[00:12:45] [SPEAKER_02] so I had to get there. He says that he paid for hazelnuts with a gold coin. Yeah, he did. That's a big deal because of the gold coins. Now you like me now. That's exactly right. Oliver is about to give Allie something that he made, but Wyatt shows up and asks her to dance, so they start dancing, and Oliver sits back and watches real sad-like. And that, my friends, was...

[00:13:08] [SPEAKER_03] When Calls the Heart Season 12, Episode 4, Dancing Teens. We did it. We did it. Yeah, we did.

[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_02] Let's Charleston our way to a break. We'll be right back here on Deck the Hallmark. So you're not Facebook friends with him or anything? Nothing.

[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_03] You don't know anything about him?

[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_02] We don't know the last name of Ryan?

[00:13:38] [SPEAKER_00] Oh, I know the last name of Ryan. I'm not shouting out that.

[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_02] You're just not going to shout out the last name of Ryan. But you're not friends on...

[00:13:43] [SPEAKER_00] We were Facebook friends in college. I don't know.

[00:13:48] [SPEAKER_02] Did he unfriend you?

[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_00] I can't remember who unfriended who. I did at one point have way too many friends and unfriended about people.

[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_02] Yeah, we all had that.

[00:13:56] [SPEAKER_00] Because we haven't spoken.

[00:13:59] [SPEAKER_01] Aaron, it sounds like there's a little story there. Like, was there like a drunken night of Facebook messaging and then people got embarrassed?

[00:14:05] [SPEAKER_02] Uh-huh.

[00:14:06] [SPEAKER_00] There was not, actually. All right.

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_02] Maybe just friend them again and see what happens. See what happens. And just keep us posted. Maybe by next week we'll have an update. Let's talk When Calls the Heart Season 12.

[00:14:18] [SPEAKER_03] I can sense a weekly bit. Uh-oh. You guys feel that in the air? I got excited. What's calling my heart?

[00:14:25] [SPEAKER_02] Ryan sent in an email. This is crazy. Man, wouldn't that be nice? If that's how he did it?

[00:14:32] That'd be nice.

[00:14:33] [SPEAKER_02] Man. When Calls the Heart Season 12. He lives in Greenville? This is crazy. Dancing teens. Let's get to it. Let's share our hot text. Sorry, I'm still just kind of processing everything we've learned today. Let's get to the hot text. It's where we share our thoughts on this episode. Jax, Dancing Teens. You for it? Against it?

[00:14:53] [SPEAKER_01] Guys, guys. I want to... Do you agree with me? This was definitely the best episode of the season so far.

[00:14:58] [SPEAKER_02] Oh, heck yeah, man.

[00:14:59] [SPEAKER_01] Okay. Dan?

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_03] I think that... Yes. Yes. Do you agree with 100%?

[00:15:10] [SPEAKER_01] Okay. Because I think that we're getting back to in this episode the reasons that I loved When Calls the Heart in the beginning. Like, there's things happening. I'm not saying it needs to be big drama. I'm not saying that this is like reinventing the wheel. But I'm really enjoying this. And most importantly for me, there are beautiful moments with each character. Do I think that this is like hugely and excitingly plot driven? Not really, but I don't really care about that as much.

[00:15:43] [SPEAKER_01] I love that we get Bill and Rosemary doing their thing. Dan, you said it in the... When Bran was recapping. And that was in my notes. I said, Nathan's saying, I love seeing you two work together. He speaks for all of us. That's right. Yes. We're having so much fun. Come on. Seeing these two together. And Dan, I think you said if we got more than 50 minutes of that for the rest of the season, you'd be happy? I think we're going to.

[00:16:09] [SPEAKER_03] I'm clocking it, Jax. Don't worry. You're clocking it. We only got about three minutes this episode. Wait for real?

[00:16:15] [SPEAKER_01] But it felt longer.

[00:16:16] [SPEAKER_03] It felt longer. That's how they get you. We only got about three in episode four. That's all we got. But in...

[00:16:22] [SPEAKER_02] But they were basically just getting back together in this episode.

[00:16:25] [SPEAKER_03] To get to 50, you only need about five and a half minutes. So I think there's a chance that... I don't think we're going to get 50, but I do think...

[00:16:35] [SPEAKER_02] To get to 50, basically all you need is five and a half. And you guys can write that down because it all made sense to me when you said that.

[00:16:43] [SPEAKER_01] Well, and I said 23 minutes or something like that.

[00:16:45] [SPEAKER_02] Five and a half minutes per episode. Per episode. That was the piece I was missing. I was like, what is he talking about? To get to 50, all you need is five and a half.

[00:16:52] [SPEAKER_03] I said there's only three this episode, but you need about five and a half.

[00:16:55] [SPEAKER_02] Great. Got it. Yeah.

[00:16:56] [SPEAKER_03] Okay.

[00:16:56] [SPEAKER_02] To get to 50, all you need is five and a half. You get it. And you've said a million times.

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_03] I've said a million times.

[00:17:02] [SPEAKER_01] South Carolina Hampton.

[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_03] It is not. I don't know.

[00:17:07] [SPEAKER_01] Look, Edie and Lucas, what is even happening when his hair is all wild? And like you said, he's picking up that goat and it's all sexy. She's in her glasses. And she can wear those pants like mama. Tell me.

[00:17:23] [SPEAKER_02] Like mama. Tell me. Mama.

[00:17:25] [SPEAKER_01] Tell me. Also, I love seeing Nathan wrestle, not physically, but metaphorically with the fact that his daughter is growing up because he hasn't had the normal trajectory to come to terms with each stage of her life. You know what I mean? Like he's, he's had to sort of get used to this in the last, I mean, yes, he's had seven years, but is that right? Has he been?

[00:17:52] [SPEAKER_03] Sure. Let's go with seven. Seven years.

[00:17:54] [SPEAKER_01] Um, so I think that this is all a lot of fun. I think what was extremely moving about this and I'll get more in my feels, um, getting to see Angela really be like, no, I, I am different. You guys like, and we're not going to like put a bandaid over this.

[00:18:13] [SPEAKER_03] And even though the best part of this episode.

[00:18:15] [SPEAKER_01] So good. But yes. And like her dad doesn't get it at first and the way he doesn't get it, that's okay. It's not, he doesn't mean to be dismissive, but he is. And he's like, well, I just want her to be like everyone else. And then, oh my gosh, we get a moment with Martin Cummings and I think it's going to turn into more and it doesn't, but it's lovely what it is. So I really think that this episode is 20 seconds. Guys, I was just settling in. I was like, oh yes, sir. It's such a good acting moment.

[00:18:45] [SPEAKER_01] And then it was gone. Um, and then yeah, brand new set it in the, in the, um, recap. I cannot believe we have another life love triangle. I'm not sure this is a good idea, but look, I'm, I was loving this episode. I was excited the whole time. I felt like they put packed a lot in and I hope that episode five lives up to it.

[00:19:04] [SPEAKER_02] Yeah. I agree with everything that Jack said, uh, this week, which is nice. I did think this was a strong episode. I felt like everything that happened happened for a reason. It wasn't just to fill time. And so I appreciate that. And, uh, I thought the Angela storyline was, uh, as good as it gets, uh, on this show in regards to dramatic storytelling. I thought that it really worked. Um, I thought she crushed it and I thought, uh, yes, Gowan's little, uh, one-on-one there Gowan's cameo in this episode.

[00:19:34] [SPEAKER_02] That's exactly right. Gowan's cameo in this episode. I mean, come on. I don't know how you see that and don't go, let's give him the full. The only thing I can figure is either they're stupid or he doesn't want any. We need, we need him to be on.

[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_01] He must not want.

[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_02] We need him to be on screen for at least over half of the show. He's so good. And just that 20 second conversation. I mean, come on as good as it gets. So, uh, a really strong episode of one calls to heart in my opinion, Dano.

[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_03] Uh, yeah, I, I, I'm not as excited as these two, but it is the best of the season. And Brian last week said, can we just have an episode that just focuses mainly on one thing? And that was the secret here. There are a few tangential storylines. We get three minutes of Bill and Rosemary. We get a few minutes of, of, uh, Chris McNally Lucas out in the field with what's her name? Like, but basically this episode is about a dance.

[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_03] It's about, and the, I would contend that the best and worst episodes of when calls the heart or when the whole town decides that it's about one thing. Like when they do a potluck, shoot me square in the face. I don't have any desire for a potluck and they're the worst episodes, but there are parts of this that do work. Uh, I, I mean, compared to what we've gotten this season, it is miles better. Is it, you know, still a slog sometimes? Yes. Brain was big on the hazelnuts for the last two weeks.

[00:20:58] [SPEAKER_03] It's really like one line of nut talk in this whole episode. Uh, but the, the stuff with Angela and I'll get to it in my fields. I'll let Jack's go first, but I will get to it in my fields as well. I think that's the first thing that I'm like, you know what? I'm glad when calls the heart doesn't exist in the real world. Like this, the first time that I'm glad, like, I feel like when calls the heart tries to have their cake and eat it too. When it comes to, is it 1920? Is it, is it 1920 or not? Right? Sure.

[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_03] They try to do that. They try to have it both ways. It's like, yes, we're 1920. It's the roaring twenties, blah, blah, blah. But then it's like, this town is all kinds of different people of all kinds of different, uh, you know, races, creeds, classes, religions. And we all just live happily together.

[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_02] That probably not different religions.

[00:21:43] [SPEAKER_03] Uh, I mean, there's one church and everybody doesn't go. So, okay. I would, I would say the very least different levels of religion. Sure. Um, I, I just like that bothers me in this show because I think it keeps them from dealing with real life issues in a way that I think when calls the heart could tackle and still be a soothing balm on Sunday night for people that just want to escape the first time that

[00:22:06] [SPEAKER_03] I, I've been happy that they have decided to make it this not real world is this storyline. And I think the story, that storyline is great. I'll get to it more in the fields, but I think that alone does. Does elevate this. Is it still a dance that we spend too much time on? Is the pushback on the dance utterly ridiculous? Yes. But compared to the first three episodes, definite step up.

[00:22:32] [SPEAKER_02] Uh, it's time for all the fields. We're talking about what in this episode gave us feels Jax.

[00:22:36] [SPEAKER_01] Um, I just really, it just hit me. Um, when Nathan said, um, I didn't realize that the last scavenger hunt was going to be the last scavenger hunt. I think we've, we've all had those moments where, you know, I've heard that before where it's like when you were going out to play with your friends, you never realized like that, you know, last time, last time you guys with your kids, like

[00:23:01] [SPEAKER_02] especially if you kill them. What?

[00:23:03] [SPEAKER_01] What in the world?

[00:23:06] [SPEAKER_02] I didn't, but like just imagine. Yeah. You would certainly know. Yeah. Well, that'd be a bummer. You know, especially.

[00:23:13] [SPEAKER_01] Fran, thank you for saving me. I felt my emotions really begin to overtake me. And that really broke it up nicely.

[00:23:19] [SPEAKER_02] I never want, I never want, uh, things to get too, too real here.

[00:23:23] [SPEAKER_01] No, you never want to get too real.

[00:23:25] [SPEAKER_03] Well, um, undercut all the emotional momentum Jack's had with a dead joke. What if you kill him?

[00:23:30] [SPEAKER_01] No, no, no. That's no, that's actually okay though, because I can't, I can't, I can't get, I can't get, uh, too emotional here. But I really thought that that was really sweet and a part of, of watching kids grow up and just a part of life. You don't always know when it's going to be the last time. And that, and that really hit me.

[00:23:46] [SPEAKER_03] You don't know what you got till it's gone. Yeah. They paved paradise. They put up a parking lot.

[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_01] That's right.

[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_02] What were your rules growing up? Jackson, did you have to be home by the, by the, the streetlight?

[00:23:54] [SPEAKER_01] What was your, I wasn't, I wasn't, I wasn't allowed to go out. I was, I'm not kidding. Is it, was it religious? Um, no, it was, it was, it was, I don't know exactly what it was. My parents are great, but there was some over protectiveness and it wasn't like that. Like I wasn't allowed to go out without them. And so when I would play outside, it would be at the baseball field when my brother was having a practice and my parents were sitting in the stands watching. Yeah.

[00:24:22] [SPEAKER_02] Gotcha.

[00:24:22] [SPEAKER_01] What about you guys?

[00:24:23] [SPEAKER_02] Were you just allowed out till I did what I, yeah, I did whatever and whenever I had,

[00:24:27] [SPEAKER_03] we had one other house near us and then a bunch of woods with like wild blackberries. And at four or five, I'm in the woods, just put on an extra pair of sweatpants for the briars and just running around eating blackberries. It was literally like something out of a Mark Twain novel, but it happened in the 1980s and nineties. Uh, yeah, we had, yeah, we had nothing near us, but woods and one other house and the, there are three kids and my brother and I would just meet up and go, go run out in the woods.

[00:24:56] [SPEAKER_03] And my dad would whistle when it was time to come in. My dad had a whistle that was so loud and we could be a thousand feet away easy. And he would, couldn't see us and just would whistle. And we came running. That's exactly right.

[00:25:09] [SPEAKER_04] We all survived. Yeah, we did. We just did it. We were all here. Yeah.

[00:25:12] [SPEAKER_02] I grew up in a cul-de-sac with a ton of kids and it was awesome. Yeah. We would just, we would just, just do whatever we wanted to do. It was awesome.

[00:25:18] [SPEAKER_01] I kind of wish we were friends when we were. Well, yeah.

[00:25:20] [SPEAKER_03] But you're so much younger than me, Jack. Let's be honest. That would be, you, I wouldn't have been friends with you anyway. You could have been friends with Bran, but not me. Yeah, I'm a little younger than Bran. But I was, I was too popular.

[00:25:29] [SPEAKER_02] I was too popular for Jacks. McNasty?

[00:25:31] [SPEAKER_00] Oh, he would have been sweet to me.

[00:25:32] [SPEAKER_02] I was so popular.

[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_03] You couldn't have, you couldn't have hung out with McNasty.

[00:25:36] [SPEAKER_02] That is true. You were what, three, four, five grades below me, so. Three, four, five.

[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_01] I think just, I think just two.

[00:25:42] [SPEAKER_02] Just two. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Got it. Got it.

[00:25:44] [SPEAKER_01] I would say that the other, the other two big feels I have, and I'll leave most of the Angela feels to Dan, but when Elizabeth is talking to Allie and she says there are some things that just us girls get and that's okay. I was really touched by this. This girl that's grown up without a mom, without really, you know, a female figure in her life that she can relate to. I thought that this was really beautiful and sweet, and I'm excited to see where their relationship goes.

[00:26:10] [SPEAKER_01] And then, yeah, of course, Angela, everything about that storyline and when she thanks her dad for trying again. Rupture and repair, baby. That's what it's all about. That's what my therapist is teaching me. It's okay to make those mistakes, but you got to repair them, so.

[00:26:25] [SPEAKER_03] Fail forward.

[00:26:26] [SPEAKER_02] Fail forward. Yeah, obviously the Angela stuff was great, and I'm happy that it worked for all of us. That makes me feel good about it. And also, shout out to my guy. I guess he's my guy now, Oliver, for realizing he's in the friend zone at the end of this episode and been there. And that's tough, you know? It's tough. It's never good when you make something like a handmade craft, you know?

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_03] You've made a handmade craft for- Lord, no, I haven't. Okay, okay. I was about to say.

[00:26:54] [SPEAKER_02] But maybe like a song or something. Maybe I made a- I don't know if I did or not, but maybe I made a song or something. And I'm sure there were instances growing up where I was like, this is really good. This is going to be the thing. I think- And I've suppressed it. Oh, boy. And this is going to be the thing, and then it wasn't the thing. It just wasn't fair.

[00:27:11] [SPEAKER_03] Brandon, I'm sure being who you are, having to figure out who that was until you were about 18 or 19 was probably very difficult.

[00:27:19] [SPEAKER_02] Yeah. Right? So you know what? It all worked out.

[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_03] Okay. Yeah, it did.

[00:27:22] [SPEAKER_02] You're right. Found my boo thing.

[00:27:24] [SPEAKER_03] You found your boo thing.

[00:27:25] [SPEAKER_02] Yeah, that's exactly right.

[00:27:26] [SPEAKER_01] And Caitlin told me a little bit about your courtship, and it sounded like there was some confusion in the beginning of that for her, too. Yes.

[00:27:34] [SPEAKER_03] Yes.

[00:27:34] [SPEAKER_01] But look, it all worked out.

[00:27:35] [SPEAKER_02] It all worked out.

[00:27:36] [SPEAKER_03] It did. It all worked out. Dan? Yeah, so two things. First of all, it's been a while since I've gotten a chuckle out of anything when Cause the Heart is done. I laughed real hard at all of these adults realizing they were old for the first time with the dancing. I thought that was really funny. I thought everyone that is excited about the dance, all the adults, they hear about it and they go, oh, fantastic. And they proceed to wax poetic about something kids don't care about at all, which if you've

[00:28:04] [SPEAKER_03] taught school, it happens to you when you're a lot younger than when Elizabeth and Rosemary figure it out. But it was really funny to see them realize that they're old for comedic effect. It was funny. It was like for her to go, yeah, I can teach you some of the waltz. And they're like, uh, could you not? That was really great. And I did enjoy that. And then second of all, that what I love so much about the Joseph Angela stuff is, is that,

[00:28:31] [SPEAKER_03] you know, when you encounter people who, uh, have some sort of disability, uh, you know, to the two typical natural reactions are to fix it or to ignore it. So it's either, okay, let me try my best to like, oh, you can't, you can't see well. Well, what, what, what are all the things we could do to just change how you're biologically made or how you function? Um, and that's terrible. That's the, you don't know. It's terrible. It comes from a good place.

[00:28:59] [SPEAKER_03] I can speak from experience that, uh, that was, that's my natural wiring is something's wrong. How do I fix it? That's my natural wiring. And I think it comes from a good place, but make no mistake. It's terrible. Um, it's not honoring people as, as human beings who are equal. It isn't. And understanding that's probably the first step to fixing it. And it's something that I have to work on every day of my life. Um, but that, that is the first thing. And then the ignore it is the other side of it.

[00:29:28] [SPEAKER_03] I think that's where a lot of people end up falling. They can't think about not having some faculties that they currently have. And so they just go, I hope somebody else has taken care of that. And I just can't possibly change what I'm doing. I can't possibly think of a status quo that would include everyone, um, because it would change my status quo. And that hurts too much to think about. And so I'm going to ignore it.

[00:29:53] [SPEAKER_03] And this episode has Joseph Canfield with his own daughter go through both of those things. Um, and does so incredibly well. Like we've, I've talked on this show and I know we're now in a weird sermon space and I'm sorry, but here we are. I've talked about impact over intent. Like Joseph Canfield means well, he means well when he initially is like, you know what? It's no big deal. I'll teach you how to dance. He means well when he can't fix it. And then he's like, well, she should just go to the dance anyway.

[00:30:23] [SPEAKER_03] He means well, but the impact is still, you're not seeing someone for who they are and you're not empathizing with someone and treating them as an, as an equal. You're not doing, you're not providing space for everyone to live and excel and thrive in their least, you know, in their least restrictive environment, uh, to use an educational term. And so this father of a daughter who's probably 17, 18 goes through this on an episode of television

[00:30:50] [SPEAKER_03] and realizes that he's wrong and realizes that he's sorry and realizes that if you love your kid, you learn to, to, to apologize. And you learn to realize that you got to do it a different way. It was moving. It was touching. It was wonderful. Thank you. When caused the heart. Excellent job.

[00:31:09] [SPEAKER_02] Really, really good stuff. Um, let's take a break. We'll take a break and we'll, uh, come back. We'll get to the way. What in the, what the hallmark here on deck, the hallmark. I said like, did you put Ryan in the friend zone or did he put you in the friend zone or was it like there's something we're not, there's, there's something there.

[00:31:35] [SPEAKER_00] I have not seen this guy in like 20 years. We went to different high schools, different colleges, you know, high school is pre social media.

[00:31:45] [SPEAKER_02] Yeah, but you can't break the bond of the swing dance partner.

[00:31:50] [SPEAKER_01] Also imagine, imagine Ryan one day. He finally gets up the courage to send you a message on Facebook and he realizes he's no longer friends with you because you unfriended him. Not to make you feel bad.

[00:32:09] [SPEAKER_03] Jax, that's fantastic.

[00:32:10] [SPEAKER_02] Let's get to the way what's in the, what the hallmarks is where we talk about what in this episode made us go, wait, what? Huh? Huh? No way. Uh, Jax, anything?

[00:32:20] [SPEAKER_01] You know, okay. So I didn't actually really have a lot for this episode. Um, I, I did a couple of things and they just made me laugh when Rosemary walks in on Elizabeth, you know, doing the dancing, um, the shimmy and the Charleston and she looks at it and it's like, this is, you know, more complicated than the choreography I'm used to as a musical theater performer. This is more complicated. Like, I think this is exactly what you would be doing. Yeah. Yeah. This should be, this should be your thing, Rosemary.

[00:32:49] [SPEAKER_01] Um, oh my goodness. I love Oliver so much. This is more, wait, what on myself that I was pulling for Wyatt at what point? Wait, what is wrong with you, Jax? I have no idea. I hate now when he calls her pigtails. I feel like he's some sort of predator, even though I know he's like her age. I don't know if he is. I don't know what age he is. Okay. So that, the actor is actually only 18. So I'm going to stop talking about him.

[00:33:12] [SPEAKER_03] Oliver's doing an apprenticeship to be a Mountie. So I'm like, I don't.

[00:33:15] [SPEAKER_01] But he seems so much younger and isn't sweet. He does. He does. He does.

[00:33:18] [SPEAKER_02] But how old is Wyatt? Like, how old is the character of Wyatt?

[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_01] The character of Wyatt, I think he's the same age as the character of Oliver, which we still don't know what that is. Does that make sense?

[00:33:27] [SPEAKER_03] Sure.

[00:33:28] [SPEAKER_01] You know what I mean? I think they're the same age now.

[00:33:30] [SPEAKER_03] I would agree with that. I think that Oliver and Wyatt are supposed to be the same age in the television program. Yes.

[00:33:35] [SPEAKER_01] I think originally I felt weird about shipping Allie with Oliver because I thought Oliver was supposed to be a lot older and I thought Wyatt was okay. But anyway, I'm team Oliver all the way now. And then, um, finally excited about it. But like Jed and Molly, I think his name's Jed Bran.

[00:33:53] [SPEAKER_02] Jed? I think so. You said Judd. Okay. Judd.

[00:33:56] [SPEAKER_01] Which Judd is an iconic character from Oklahoma who is very misunderstood. He is abusive, but.

[00:34:02] [SPEAKER_02] Sure. That's what I, that's.

[00:34:03] [SPEAKER_01] Interesting.

[00:34:03] [SPEAKER_03] Yeah, I knew the Oklahoma reference.

[00:34:06] [SPEAKER_01] For sure. Oh my gosh.

[00:34:07] [SPEAKER_02] Oklahoma with us.

[00:34:08] [SPEAKER_03] Na na na na na na na.

[00:34:10] [SPEAKER_01] Oh my gosh. You guys together would make a great Judd Fry. He thinks this song called Poor Judd is Dead. Poor Judd is Dead.

[00:34:19] I agree. I agree.

[00:34:19] [SPEAKER_02] Okay. Sorry. You're muted, Aaron. Do you want to agree on record?

[00:34:23] [SPEAKER_01] I did want to agree on record. Great.

[00:34:26] [SPEAKER_02] Okay. Are we the abusers?

[00:34:27] [SPEAKER_01] Should we lose Jacks?

[00:34:28] [SPEAKER_02] Yeah. We might have lost.

[00:34:29] [SPEAKER_01] Sorry, it froze for a second. Say that one second again, Aaron.

[00:34:33] [SPEAKER_03] She said she agrees. We've lost your video. She said she agrees. We got it. We got it. We're coming. We'll get it. We, uh, and does that make us terrible people? Yeah.

[00:34:43] [SPEAKER_02] I thought you said that he was an abuser.

[00:34:45] [SPEAKER_00] I think the song, I don't think you guys would be good in like the whole play, but that song would be funny. I mean, what the heck? I mean, I think that we have range. Go play an abusive character. That's fine. It's called acting. It doesn't mean anything. Is it acting, Brand, if it's my everyday life in here? I think you could dig deep and do it. I could dig deep. Dig really deep. Well, I guess if you call back to Brand killing his friend earlier, he could play Judd. That's true. That's true.

[00:35:13] [SPEAKER_03] We're in a hurry.

[00:35:15] [SPEAKER_01] He went, he went dark and he went dark. That's right. Yeah, he did. Um, but Judd and Molly, I guess I didn't realize this was going to be a thing. Now it is. And, um, Sheila did let me know that Judd is the dad of the girl that used to nanny for Jack. So I am supposed to know Judd. Let them get together. Let Molly have some romance. Why not? Lawrence got it.

[00:35:38] [SPEAKER_03] So important. So important. Judd Molly is so important to this television program.

[00:35:43] [SPEAKER_02] Yeah. He's a big deal.

[00:35:46] [SPEAKER_03] Yeah.

[00:35:46] [SPEAKER_02] Um, and apparently like he's been around, like, uh, I want to say Sheila corrected me and was like, he's been around for a while. And I, so I apologize.

[00:35:54] [SPEAKER_01] She made us come correct.

[00:35:55] [SPEAKER_02] For not.

[00:35:56] [SPEAKER_03] Sheila is in a tough spot with this because she doesn't want to listen because we're hating on the show. But who's going to tell us we're wrong if she doesn't listen? She has a responsibility.

[00:36:05] [SPEAKER_02] She's in a very tough, this is a tough spot to me. Yeah, it's tough. She's a fact checker. Um, and she has to listen. Listen to us. That's right. Yeah, that's right.

[00:36:13] [SPEAKER_03] If not, nobody's going to fact check.

[00:36:14] [SPEAKER_02] Yeah, that's right. Um, I have a couple. One, I, again, I said it during the synopsis, but if you want to keep this dance a secret from your dad, don't tell the guy who was working with your dad. Yeah, it's pretty straightforward. It seems like.

[00:36:28] [SPEAKER_03] I think she didn't. I think she said it and I think she's like, I just want him to find out some other way. Like I, in my head, it's one of these, I don't want him to know, but I clearly do want him to know situations. Okay. All right.

[00:36:38] [SPEAKER_02] Fair enough. Wow. That's really your. Dean Allie over here. You're really doing it. Giving Allie a lot there. She's really working through it. She doesn't even know that she is. Um, this is another case of where the heck they get those decorations. Uh, there's some amazing dance decorations. Here that I just, I have a hard time believing that they just have a line around at the old mercantile or whatever. Like this is really, it's really, really well done. Really well decorated. So shout out to the crew that decorated it.

[00:37:07] [SPEAKER_02] Uh, really great job. Um, so the dance is like getting ready to start and she's like, where is everybody? No one's going to show up. And then they all show up late at the same time. At the same time. Where, where were they?

[00:37:21] [SPEAKER_03] This is, this is called, we didn't think this through as filmmakers.

[00:37:24] [SPEAKER_02] Where were they? What were they? Uh, did I, it's like, I thought it was going to be one of those, like we bought a zoo thing. There was a tree that fell down. They couldn't get there.

[00:37:32] [SPEAKER_03] No, they just, they all went to the cafe and they're like three, two, one, go.

[00:37:36] [SPEAKER_02] Hey. Uh, um, and then I did get a kick out of this is something that adults would do. And so it's true, but I just thought it was funny. They, all of the chaperones are like, you're not even going to know we're there. And then they just sit there very close to just watch. They're just blanketing this thing. That's tough. That's tough. You just look right at them.

[00:37:53] [SPEAKER_03] One to one ratio in there. It's crazy. Uh, Dano? Uh, yeah. I hate to be that guy. The Charleston was not a thing in 1920 or 1921. Oh, no. It becomes popular in the late twenties. I don't think it's even invented until 23 or 24. So the problem is, is they decided they went in all in on Charleston. Uh, there was a dance they do mention called the shimmy, which was outlawed in a lot of towns that would have made a lot more sense for this particular television program. But they thought, nah, we're going to lose people if we don't say Charleston, even though it wasn't invented.

[00:38:23] [SPEAKER_03] Sorry, not sorry.

[00:38:24] [SPEAKER_00] Um, would you have wanted to watch them shimmy?

[00:38:28] [SPEAKER_03] I don't want to watch any, any when calls the heart shimmy at all. But they do say it and they do mention it.

[00:38:36] [SPEAKER_04] They do.

[00:38:37] [SPEAKER_03] They, they don't, you know, they only do the, I would, I would have been fine with them doing the shimmy as much as they did the Charleston in this episode. I think that would be fine. I just think you are trying to make something that is of the time and you chose something that didn't exist yet. And I have to point that out. There's no way.

[00:38:52] [SPEAKER_02] There's no way it like started in the North.

[00:38:54] [SPEAKER_03] Because I did that project every year in my class. I was pretty confident in this. I checked the Charleston wasn't invented until either 23 or 24. It did not become mainstream until you couldn't have found it on a record or like found it to someone who knew it well and to teach it in a small town until 26, 27. Um, so there's that, uh, I gotta be honest. One of my, one of the hardest parts of this for me was as good as some of this episode was we find out why Molly doesn't want to shut down the dance.

[00:39:23] [SPEAKER_03] And I wanted to throw my TV through a window. It has nothing to do with morality reasons, which would have been the reason in 19, like 19, 20 is shimmying like a big pushback of fundamentalist and evangelicalism. It's a, it's a big pushback of conservative rule following in small towns for her to just go, the reason these kids shouldn't dance is because my heart was broken at a dance made me so angry.

[00:39:50] [SPEAKER_03] Like that is, you called a town hall meeting because your heart was broken at a dance. Not cause you don't have, like I thought for sure it would have been like, I have a problem with dancing and that would make sense. That's a footloose thing. That makes sense for the time period. And then we find out that the reverend in town is pro dance, which was mind blowing to me. And so they try to make this thing and then they realize they don't have, they can't

[00:40:15] [SPEAKER_03] make anybody anti-dance and no one is actually anti-dance in this small town in the Pacific Northwest that has a church. Anti-hurt feelings. They are very much anti-hurt feelings from their own childhood, but they're not anti-dance. No. No one wants to go on the record and say that they think dancing is wrong, which in 1920 in a small town, if you had pulled the city, it would have been at least 50% that would have said dancing is wrong in most of these places.

[00:40:42] [SPEAKER_03] So I wish they would have actually made someone a villain for an episode. That would have been nice. Instead, it's like, well, my heart was broken in my dance back in the 1800s. You know all those dances that took place in 1890? Molly's what? 40, right? This dance took place when she was 28 years old. I mean, 28 years ago when she was 12 years old. Like, was she dancing in 1892? Like, yeah, live music. She now has a problem with dancing with a record plate.

[00:41:11] [SPEAKER_03] Like, get out of here. Stop it. It was really, really bad. But that, and I do want to point out.

[00:41:16] [SPEAKER_02] The record burning service is coming up, though, in a couple episodes.

[00:41:19] [SPEAKER_03] Yeah, record burning is going to be big. Coin Mystery, about three minutes. Hazelnut Talk, about six lines total. So not looking great on those two fronts. That's all I got.

[00:41:29] [SPEAKER_02] It's time for Hopes and Valleys, where we talk about what has given us hope for the future. And we're bumming us out. Jax?

[00:41:36] [SPEAKER_01] I mean, of course, I'm hopeful that Rosemary and Bill will continue to crack this case. And I'm hopeful that Edie is going to run her long, slender fingers through Lucas's gorgeous hair.

[00:41:51] [SPEAKER_02] Can we air that? Yeah, I don't know if we can air that. Very graphic.

[00:41:57] [SPEAKER_01] What's bumming me out? Allie, what the actual heck are we doing? Not Wyatt. Oliver. What is, Wyatt's a bad boy, not the fun kind of bad boy.

[00:42:09] [SPEAKER_03] Well, you think Oliver is a fun kind of bad boy, or you're saying that Wyatt is not the fun kind of bad boy?

[00:42:15] [SPEAKER_01] I meant Wyatt is not the fun. Okay, got it. Oh, Oliver's not a bad boy. Not even a little bit. He's going to be if he tries. He's so sweet.

[00:42:20] [SPEAKER_02] This gets me to my big, I guess it's a valley, is I'm concerned because I think we have the potential to do some real Gilmore Girls stuff here. And we have a Wyatt who's a Jess, and we have an Oliver who is one of the other ones. And it's like we could do something fun with Wyatt, and instead it's just like, hey, pigtails. And there's nothing to him. And if you're going to have a bad boy, make him a bad boy, but then give him something that's like, oh, he's not just a bad boy. That's right.

[00:42:50] [SPEAKER_02] I think that we could have had something there, and now I'm concerned. We're not going to. Now I'm concerned about him. And so I am putting it in a valley that could become a hope. I think we'll see how the next couple episodes go, but I don't have the – based off of how he talks.

[00:43:07] [SPEAKER_03] You don't have a lot of hope in your hope, and that's why it's a valley.

[00:43:09] [SPEAKER_02] That's exactly why it's a valley. That's right. We nailed it.

[00:43:11] [SPEAKER_03] I think it's clear as crystal. That's right, Dan. So I can't believe I'm saying this, but as much as the high school dance was a nice distraction from what this show normally is, I still don't know what we're trying to accomplish as a whole this season, and we're a third of the way through the season. So I think it's going to be the great Rocky Mountain train robbery, which I don't think ever happened, and the park.

[00:43:38] [SPEAKER_03] Those are our two big things still, and that's a huge valley because you can't possibly think that Wind Calls the Heart is going to bring this again next week because they're just not. They're fundamentally not, and we are now stuck without this thing that's holding all of our attention. The dance had to be what? 30-plus minutes of this episode, Bran?

[00:43:58] [SPEAKER_02] Big dance talk.

[00:43:59] [SPEAKER_03] I mean, like probably over 30, and it's gone, and so I don't have a lot of high hopes moving forward, and it's all that.

[00:44:07] [SPEAKER_02] Another dance next week.

[00:44:08] [SPEAKER_03] Another dance next week. We do it every week.

[00:44:10] [SPEAKER_02] We do it every week. It's time for the What's Calling My Heart. It's where someone emails in and lets us know what they're feeling right now. What's calling their heart? Dano, who do we have today?

[00:44:18] [SPEAKER_03] We have Kathleen Arzaias. Okay. Kathleen Arzaias, who wrote in and said, Hey, Bran, Dan, and Jax. What's Calling My Heart is the hope that this season will get better, that perhaps they will find belongings of Jack that will lead to a storyline of him possibly not being really dead. Oh, your lips to God's ears, Kathleen. Also, what's calling my heart is you all. Getting to see you all again at ChristmasCon New Jersey recently was amazing. You all bring joy to my day every time I hear your podcast.

[00:44:47] [SPEAKER_03] What's also calling my heart is I finally watched the unwrapping movies. That's not what's calling my heart. But the podcast reviewing them with Rye and him talking about the lost Muppet finger puppets was the best. Now I feel bad I didn't vote for that for the Deckies. I had no idea what that was referring to, so I voted for two peppermint mochas, which I actually really enjoyed Jack's Dekie winner. But still, Rye's Muppet finger puppet bit. It just says Rye's Muppet finger bit. I don't know if I like that.

[00:45:17] [SPEAKER_03] Really put me over the edge and would have made me think long and hard on that Dekie award. I mean the decision to finger a Muppet or not had me on the edge of my seat. If you can't read that last part of the pod, I understand too late. Anyway, thanks for being you. You all are great. Until next time, I really hope that when calls the heart gets better, but at least I always have the pod to lift my spirits. It's Kathleen Arzals. There you go.

[00:45:43] [SPEAKER_02] How about that? Very kind.

[00:45:45] [SPEAKER_03] I got to go listen to that episode with Ryan.

[00:45:48] [SPEAKER_01] I mean, fingering a Muppet, that's what Kathleen. I would have voted for him too.

[00:45:52] [SPEAKER_03] It's a funny bit. You should go listen. It also, weirdly enough, that and an episode with you aired and then we got a review in the iTunes that said the show has more sexual innuendo in it. And I don't know how that happened. I don't know how that, I don't know how those things are correlated, but it happened.

[00:46:10] [SPEAKER_01] Just leave it to me and Ryan.

[00:46:11] [SPEAKER_03] Just you and Ryan, guy. Just like PG-13 in the show up. You perverts.

[00:46:16] [SPEAKER_02] We'll be back next week with another one. We'll be back tomorrow with another episode. Until then, maybe the first to wish you a Merry Christmas.

[00:46:23] [SPEAKER_03] Deck the Hallmark is a Bramble Jam podcast is produced by Aaron Shea. What? For more information on Deck the Hallmark, you can go to deckthehallmark.com. For more information on the Deck the Hallmark family, you can go to bramblejamplus.com. Deck the Hallmark is presented by Philo TV. For a free trial of Philo, go to philo.tv slash DTH.

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