When Calls the Heart - S12E08 - The Show Must Go On (2025) ft. Jacklyn Collier

[00:00:00] [SPEAKER_03] Hi, I'm Bran and I love When Calls the Heart. Hi, I'm Jax and I like When Calls the Heart. I'm Dan and I despise When Calls the Heart and this is the Deck The Hallmark Podcast. Deck The Hallmark, it's this podcast. Friends host this podcast. We hope you like this jolly podcast. Yes, yes. Hello everybody. How are we? We're doing it. We're here.

[00:00:38] [SPEAKER_00] Hope Valley, baby. Yes, only, what is it? Four more episodes? Including this one? Five. Eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve. Oh wait, didn't you guys? Oh, okay. What? They're doing a baker's dozen. They're doing thirteen? Are you doing a bit? You're doing a bit. It wasn't even a bit. I just wanted to see the fear of God in your eyes. Oh my God. No, no. So yeah, they're not. But I just really wanted to... Jack, you're the worst. That'd be so weird.

[00:01:08] [SPEAKER_03] Oh, it'd be so mean. So mean. It's like weirder things have happened. I offered... Was it a panda that didn't know what a baker's dozen was? He was. He thought it was eleven. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The baker took one. Yeah. It's one for the baker. It's a baker's dozen. Twelve, one for the baker. That's right. I will say in the spirit of this episode, I tried to let a woman play the role of Dan for this episode, but no takers if you can believe it.

[00:01:36] [SPEAKER_03] And then one mean enough. That's right. No takers. No takers. Oh, right. That would actually be a really fun episode. For when comes the heart, it would be awesome. Wait, should we switch sometime just to add a little spice? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll play the role of Jacks. Oh, I would love to see that. Yeah. It'd be great. Oh, I could go full method. You have to wear a clothes though. I think you could do it. Queen of sparkles. I'm not gonna wear a clothes. I feel like we cross a line there. You gotta wear queen of sparkles.

[00:02:02] [SPEAKER_02] Yeah. Yeah, and I'm just dressed like Dan today. Yeah, you are. See? You're already in it. Very serious. A minute. A minute. Next week, I expect you to be back to normal Queen of sparkles. By next week. By next week. I think we can do that. Shall we talk When Calls to Heart? Would love nothing more, Bran, because we watched it. So we need to talk about it. It's season twelve. It's episode eight. It's called More Salmon, Please. Jax?

[00:02:30] [SPEAKER_02] The truth is rarely pure and never simple. Wow. Okay. No. It is the show. The importance of being boring. That's good. It's the show must go on. The show must go on. Oh, that's actually, yeah. All right. It's not bad. Okay. And I want a little something like. One of their better titles, really. Elizabeth is about to go to, go on the Rose, Rosemary podcast to talk about her new. Rosemary and anti-vaxxer. Yes. Oh my.

[00:02:58] [SPEAKER_02] My gosh. It's crazy. Just kidding. Just kidding. Just kidding. And going to go on the show and talk about her curriculum. But she's going to be going up against a school administrator. You know, because they always have to have like an opposing person.

[00:03:13] [SPEAKER_03] The superintendent, I believe. Yeah. Of the school system.

[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_02] The school admin is very skeptical of this curriculum and basically is like this curriculum couldn't serve anything larger than a one room classroom. And this makes Elizabeth very, very upset. She's very sad by how this goes. The next day, Randall Rockwell's brother comes to town with bad news. Rosemary's radio show is being beat in the ratings by the Moo Minute. It's a tough break. Moo Minute.

[00:03:45] [SPEAKER_02] And he says that they need to figure something out ASAP or else this isn't going to work out. So she decides that she is going to move her play to the radio tomorrow. It's a radio drama. Radio drama. The Cattlemen's Council meets to hear Allie out about the salmon situation. Yes. But they, like Dan, are not interested.

[00:04:15] [SPEAKER_02] One fella in particular is very much against any changes. And Allie recognizes his boots as the guy in the woods who was pulling a tree. Who blocked the road of the way. Yeah, doing a whole thing. She is saddened by the politics of it all. Same, girl. Same. Nathan and Bill interview Edie about her uncle who may or may not have been associated with the garrison gang. With the garrison gang.

[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_02] She knows nothing about it. The cast is very excited about the switch to radio, but all the boys get sick. What are we to do? Girls trip to the radio. The ladies are going to play every role. It is monumental. It is a game changer. It is a big deal. The play is a smash success.

[00:05:11] [SPEAKER_02] Elizabeth then gets some letters of encouragement from teachers who are pro project-based learning. They are seeing the results.

[00:05:21] [SPEAKER_03] They're on board with group projects? They love it. It's unbelievable.

[00:05:24] [SPEAKER_02] She shows these letters to Fiona, who is very encouraged. Maybe she doesn't need a man after all. Maybe she can do good without man. Edie tells Lucas the truth about the Cattlemen's Council and how they all are in debt to the big bad guy, so they can't vote against him or else he's going to make them pay on that debt. It's the whole thing.

[00:05:49] [SPEAKER_02] Elizabeth goes back on the radio to read letters that are the good ones and talk more about unique ways that you can teach and the people love it. And that, my friends, was Wayne Calls the Hard Season 12 Episode 8. The show must go on.

[00:06:08] [SPEAKER_03] We did it.

[00:06:09] [SPEAKER_02] We did do it. Let's do this. Let's take a quick break. I love it. We'll come back and let's break this episode down. Sounds like a great break. Here on Deck the Hallmark. Welcome back, everybody. We're talking Wayne Calls the Hard Season 12 Episode 8. The show must go on. It is time for us to share our thoughts on this episode. We're not going to hold back because it's the hot take. Jax, we're going to start with you.

[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_02] What did you think of Episode 8? The show must go on.

[00:06:41] [SPEAKER_03] Here's some more importance of being earnest propaganda here.

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_00] Yes, and a hot take that is going to surprise no one. Guys, look, you must know how exciting this is for me that I get to see Rosemary, who's forever been my favorite character on this show, played Algernon. The role that I played to critical acclaim at Susquehanna University in Central Pennsylvania.

[00:07:07] [SPEAKER_03] The Susquehanna University Gazette raved about a young Jacqueline Collier as Algernon.

[00:07:15] [SPEAKER_00] Agamemnon. Agamemnon. Algae. Agamemnon. This was fun. Like, look, I was having a great time with this. I was chuckling at Hickam getting sick. I thought it was very cute. Jack Wagner's sick. I wanted to nurse him back to health in a non-weird, non-sexual way.

[00:07:37] [SPEAKER_03] Then why'd you say just him? It's weird that you want to nurse just him back to health if it's not weird and not sexual.

[00:07:43] [SPEAKER_00] Him and Jack Wagner. Both of them. Ben and Jack. I guess Kevin Smith is on his own. Lovely man, though. Lovely man.

[00:07:52] [SPEAKER_03] But don't want to nurse him back to health in any way.

[00:07:54] [SPEAKER_00] Not really. Got it. Got it. Not really.

[00:07:57] [SPEAKER_03] Got it.

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_00] Fantastic actor and wonderful person. But I will say, yes, this episode was a lot of fun for me. Yes, is the salmon plot line still boring? Sure. The content of that is boring as far as what they are talking about. But I love seeing Ali get after it. This was an episode about female empowerment. And anyone who doesn't like it, I would say they're anti-feminist. They don't respect women. What did you guys think of it?

[00:08:26] [SPEAKER_02] Yeah. I loved it. And I want that on the record. But here are some other thoughts about the episode. Much of it did bore me. We are at that part of the season where I begin to look ahead at the end. What have we done with ourselves? And think it's close. It's close, but also isn't here yet.

[00:08:56] [SPEAKER_02] And so, yes, I, you know, I'm happy that the play happened and that they had fun on the radio. I think that's fun. As somebody who played radio a lot as a kid. Yeah, same. You know, inspirational. And, you know, I personally would have liked to hear more of the debate at the beginning of the episode. I thought that that was fun.

[00:09:22] [SPEAKER_02] Maybe it's just fun to see, like, Elizabeth, you know, get it handed to her and just be like, hey, you don't know Jack? I think that's kind of fun. You don't know Jack. Nicely done. You don't know Jack. You don't know baby Jack. Never around. And, yeah, I was a little bit confused about, like, Randall Rockwell's brother and the moon in it and all that. But nevertheless, an episode that happened. And yay. Yay for the women.

[00:09:52] [SPEAKER_02] Yay feminism. We love it. We love it, Jax. You see? Was that good?

[00:09:57] [SPEAKER_00] That was really good. Thanks.

[00:09:59] [SPEAKER_03] Dan? Okay. So after Jax's hot take, we have to do a little bit of foundational work here. The through line of the episode that female empowerment takes many different shapes and forms is a great through line. Whether that is women can do whatever men can do, play any part in a radio program, go off to get married, to create change, even though they don't want to. That's just as much of a hero as the woman who decides to play the man's role.

[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_03] Or Allie taking a big step to speak her mind, even though she's a teenage girl. The through line of that is great. This episode freaking sucks. It is terrible. I love the through line. I wish it was in any package that had any interest whatsoever. The two worst storylines for me of this season have been salmon and play. That is pretty much all we do with a dash of Elizabeth and educational philosophy that's decades ahead of her time.

[00:10:57] [SPEAKER_03] So I love the through line. This is the worst episode of the season because I wanted to throw something at the television screen. I did look at brand and say, maybe next year is our finale. Maybe the season 13 is our finale, even if it is not the show's finale. So I love the fact that When Calls the Heart is doing something which is counterintuitive to the time period, which is women can do whatever they want to do in 1920.

[00:11:24] [SPEAKER_03] Now, there was a few women that questioned social norms called flappers, and that was a great movement for women's liberation eventually that we're still working on. But the idea that When Calls the Heart wants to be a show that is conservative and is school is important and all this stuff, it's just doing whatever it wants to do in the best possible way. But this is still boring as Hades, and I did not like it one single bit. Sorry.

[00:11:55] [SPEAKER_00] Dan, you set that up really well.

[00:11:56] [SPEAKER_03] I did the best I could.

[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_00] That was amazing.

[00:11:59] [SPEAKER_03] Well, I think that if, you know, there are times in this show where I think the plot line is more interesting. And I think if we could marry the ideas of this one with the plot and the, you know, engagement of some of the other ones, I think we might have something. And that said, last week was the best episode of the season.

[00:12:20] [SPEAKER_03] So it's, you know, and last week is very much just, you know, Elizabeth in a fancy flapper era dress, dance. So it's, you know what I mean? Like it's, I wish we could marry some of these things together. But if you think for a second that we care about, I had somebody email me this week, and I just was fantastic email. That just said, the salmon plot line is the most interesting thing to happen on when calls the heart since Hamilton.

[00:12:46] [SPEAKER_03] And I was just like, they said it dead serious, and it made me laugh really hard because it's like, yeah, the salmon plot line is all time bad territory. It is, it's all time bad because it is, I believe, the major through line of this season. But for some people that it works. Who? That person. No, they were joking. Oh. They did it as a bit. They were joking.

[00:13:08] [SPEAKER_02] I thought you said they were being serious.

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_03] They said it seriously. They were like, come on, Dan, get it together. And then they were like, I have to do it as a bit. I've not heard anyone that's like, I need more salmon plot line. Even I think Jax would say salmon plot line.

[00:13:20] [SPEAKER_02] Let us know. If maybe the salmon is calling your heart. Hello at the homer.com.

[00:13:24] [SPEAKER_01] The salmon is calling.

[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_02] I don't know. Brandon, I love you. We're 12 seasons in. I have to imagine that the show knows what their fans want, and they're going to give it to him in salmon.

[00:13:36] [SPEAKER_00] And I'm going to be honest with you guys. I am bored by that plot line. Not by Allie being an activist, but by that plot line. If you were to ask me what the problem is with the salmon, I actually couldn't tell you. Because every time they actually start talking about salmon, I actually don't know what the problem is. They're okay, but the bears aren't okay. I don't actually know.

[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_03] But I think the salmon are dying because their migration pattern has been changed by moving cattle onto the land.

[00:14:02] [SPEAKER_00] Okay, so they're dying.

[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_03] The water's too warm for them now because of the cow manure or something of that. Yeah.

[00:14:09] [SPEAKER_02] That's my understanding.

[00:14:10] [SPEAKER_03] Yeah. But yeah, the poor salmon. They're not going to make it in Canada. Look, I'm not saying it's not sad. I'm saying it's not interesting. That's what I'm saying. And also, and I don't give this show credit ever, but to the show's credit, when you're dealing with an era of history, you have one or two choices. You actually show the actual terribleness of it. You know, we have this idea that America was once amazing and there was problems in every era.

[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_03] So you either show how terrible it is or you deal in a utopian version of that and you show what could have been had we known better. And so I would rather, for Wind Calls the Heart, I would much rather see the version where we, is utopia. The problem is, is where they dip into the other side of it. So I don't, I don't want to see them going, you know, actually most girls weren't allowed to go to school in rural areas of the country. There would have been no reason for them to go to school.

[00:15:08] [SPEAKER_03] And even when schools started to become mandatory, that was mainly for boys. And if it was a farm community, half the boys went, most of the girls didn't. I would much rather them do this version of the show. I want to be very clear in saying that. And so I can't complain that they are doing this version. I don't need, you know, a gritty two-hour Oscar bait movie about the plight of girls not getting a chance to go to school in the 1910s and 20s. I know that. I don't need.

[00:15:37] [SPEAKER_00] Although that sounds beautiful.

[00:15:38] [SPEAKER_03] Listen, it's important, but it's not what Wind Calls the Heart does. And in fact, I'm pretty sure the author of Wind Calls the Heart probably harkens to the time like it's better. So I do appreciate the fact that the showrunners now are showing you what it could have been. You know, maybe we'd actually have the gumption to have a female president now if women were treated with the respect and opportunity that Wind Calls the Heart portrays in the 1920s. So I'm not mad about that. I just want it to not be salmon.

[00:16:08] [SPEAKER_03] That's all. That's it.

[00:16:10] [SPEAKER_02] Just do better. Beggars can't be choosers, dude. Yeah. It's time for All the Feels. This is where we talk about what in this episode gave us feels. Jax?

[00:16:19] [SPEAKER_00] You know, I've already talked about how much I love the play. So, of course. What play? All of that in my feels. The importance of being earnest.

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_03] Nailed it.

[00:16:28] [SPEAKER_00] When Minnie is at the cafe and she knows all the lines. And then, of course, May has been rehearsing with Hickam. And the moment where Minnie, at the end of the play, she's playing Jack. And she's been nervous. But she looks out at her husband. And she says that final line. The vital importance of being earnest. And she takes that pause. All the feels. All the feels. And then I had really serious feels.

[00:16:57] [SPEAKER_00] And Dan was talking about it in the beginning. In his hot take, which I'm so glad he mentioned. There's something about the way Kayla Wallace is playing Fiona. This decision. And I am overcome with genuine. Like, it's overwhelming for me to think about how women who have to make decisions like that. Say about marriage or about whatever.

[00:17:23] [SPEAKER_00] A lot of even modern day feminists and a lot of people I'm friends with would be like, well, that's selling out. And that's not being a feminist. And that's not. But there are all these concessions that people, but especially women at this time, have to make if they want to actually bring about real change. And seeing her grapple with that in a very real way with just such emotional depth. I love it. I wish we were spending more time on it.

[00:17:52] [SPEAKER_03] It's so good. It's so good that they're letting her do this plot line. I know that it's not good that she's marrying just for political stature. But it's so good that they're doing that. Like, it's the best thing on this show.

[00:18:06] [SPEAKER_02] So, it is. I, um, you. You only marry for political stature. Yes. And I want that on the record. While that conversation was taking place, and I, it was, I'm sure it was powerful, but I zoned out a little bit because she mentioned San Francisco. And I couldn't help but think about one of the things I always think about when I think about San Francisco. God almighty. And it's, it's.

[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_03] Are you going to do the rice?

[00:18:30] [SPEAKER_02] Well, it's the treat. It's the treat of San Francisco. You know what I'm talking about, everybody. Say it with me. Rice-a-roni.

[00:18:39] [SPEAKER_03] You know one thing about San Francisco, California. Yes, I know that they have. It's not wine country. It's not Golden Gate Bridge. I don't care.

[00:18:45] [SPEAKER_02] I don't care about the hills. I don't care anything about it.

[00:18:49] [SPEAKER_03] Rice-a-roni is the San Francisco treat.

[00:18:52] [SPEAKER_02] Rice-a-roni is a San Francisco treat. And so my feels is that she mentioned San Francisco, and then I thought about Rice-a-roni for a solid five minutes. So shout out Rice-a-roni. Shout out San Francisco. And if somebody from San Francisco can let me know, like, is Rice-a-roni still, you know, running raven out there?

[00:19:11] [SPEAKER_03] You haven't lived until you had Rice-a-roni from San Francisco.

[00:19:13] [SPEAKER_02] Oh my gosh, forget about it. Is San Francisco still, do you see Rice-a-roni? I would imagine the ground is just covered in it. You kind of like got to, you know, walk through it and it's just all over the place. So is Rice-a-roni. Cable cars. Yeah.

[00:19:26] [SPEAKER_03] Elevation changes.

[00:19:27] [SPEAKER_02] Is Rice-a-roni still kind of wear a tap? Nope, just Rice-a-roni. Yeah. You ride the rice. You know what I mean? Nope. You ride the roni. Dan?

[00:19:36] [SPEAKER_00] Oh, that hit me in a real gross way. Yeah, that's disgusting. Oh, I grossed you out, Jax?

[00:19:41] [SPEAKER_03] Yes.

[00:19:42] [SPEAKER_00] Touché.

[00:19:44] [SPEAKER_03] My feels is how much Jax loves the importance of being earnest. It's wonderful. This is not a joke. She clearly adores it and its nostalgia feels and its, you know, stage performing feels and I'm just so happy for her.

[00:19:55] [SPEAKER_02] What do you think about all the accents, Jax?

[00:19:58] [SPEAKER_00] I think the women's accents were consistently better than the men. Hey! And they also weren't, what I liked about them is that they weren't all perfect, you know, RP British accents as they shouldn't be in a town like this and I thought all the accents of the women were much more in the pocket of what I thought it should be for a play like this in a town like this with women who are talented but they're not, you know.

[00:20:24] [SPEAKER_03] But the women were better given the opportunity is what you're saying.

[00:20:28] [SPEAKER_00] At 100%.

[00:20:28] [SPEAKER_02] You gotta get them in the pocket. That's all we're saying. You gotta get them in the pocket. Get in the pocket. Get in the pocket. You know what's in my pocket? Rice-a-roni. And a break, actually, weirdly enough. I found one of those. We're gonna use it.

[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_03] So now everything you're saying is rated R right now. I don't know why. We'll be right back here and take the whole way.

[00:20:54] [SPEAKER_02] Rice-a-roni. Take it, Jax. San Francisco treat.

[00:21:00] [SPEAKER_00] I can't stop thinking about you saying ride the roni.

[00:21:02] [SPEAKER_02] Ride the roni. Ride the roni, bro.

[00:21:04] [SPEAKER_00] Ride the roni.

[00:21:06] [SPEAKER_02] Whoppa! It's time for Wait What? It's where we talk about... Who? Oh, it's like... You remember that video of the guy talking about waves? And he's like, you get to barrel and you... Whoppa! I don't. Oh, it's a classic, bro. You'd love it. We'll watch it after this. Cool. Let's get to the White Watchers before we talk about what in this episode made us go away what, Jax?

[00:21:29] [SPEAKER_00] This is more of a question for you guys. And I'm thinking now that Faith and Fiona, there is nothing romantic. Correct. There. Yeah, it's just friendship, which is fine. I think I was... I think I was really... And look, we all see what we want to see. Would I love like a Safak love story on One Calls Heart? Absolutely. Do I think it's going to happen? No. But do I think that maybe they would do a little queerbaiting for me? Sure. Like, why not? You know, I know that's not... It's the least they can do.

[00:21:57] [SPEAKER_00] We know queerbaiting is awful and inappropriate, but also like, we'll take what we can get. But in this episode, I was like, oh, they are just friends, and that's beautiful, too. But I was wondering if it was also, you know, solidified for you guys that it's nothing romantic.

[00:22:14] [SPEAKER_03] It was nothing romantic. Same realization. I think that there's... Yeah. But they also... I do believe Kayla Wallace is just out of time on this show because she's a big part of Landman, which I'm three episodes in, and she gets to be more of a character on When Calls the Heart, unfortunately, at this point. But that show's way bigger. It's a bigger deal. So I think she's done or will be very rarely seen.

[00:22:38] [SPEAKER_02] I felt like we hadn't really seen Faith this season, and so Faith is there. And let's just give her... Let's just let Faith cook. You know what I mean? Like, let's see what we can do. You know what I mean? Like, give her the opportunity. That's all I'm saying. Rice-a-roni.

[00:22:52] [SPEAKER_00] Rice-a-roni. I love just thinking of them working around as they should. Kayla Wallace has scheduled because she's on another show. And then we have Andrea Brooks has scheduled because she's having a baby. And again, they should be working around these schedules. But then there's just Paul Green being like, do you guys need me back? Yeah. Is there anything I could do? That's free.

[00:23:11] [SPEAKER_02] Yeah.

[00:23:11] [SPEAKER_00] I love you, Paul.

[00:23:12] [SPEAKER_02] Yeah. You mean Paul Green from Dragon Collier presents Fit for Christmas?

[00:23:17] [SPEAKER_00] Fit for Christmas.

[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_02] That's right.

[00:23:19] [SPEAKER_00] It's still like a plus for anyone who wants to watch.

[00:23:22] [SPEAKER_02] There you go. Classic cinema. Anything else?

[00:23:26] [SPEAKER_00] No, I think I feel like you guys are going to be able to handle that really well.

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_02] I got to be honest. I don't. I just need a status update on the hot springs. Like, I feel like the hot springs are all over the map. Just like the most convenient thing that Wind Calls the Heart has because we will go episodes upon episodes of not hearing anything about hot springs. And then next thing you know, hot springs are basically killing all the boys. And it's like, what's happening? We don't get any hot springs.

[00:23:57] [SPEAKER_02] We haven't seen the hot springs since the hot springs season, where that was the big storyline of the season. We haven't seen them. And so, but they still randomly mentioned them when it's convenient for the show. And I forget about it. I forget that the hot springs exist. And then I'm like, oh, how did everybody get sick? Oh, it's the hot springs. So it's very confusing.

[00:24:26] [SPEAKER_03] They just use it when they need it.

[00:24:27] [SPEAKER_02] They just use it when they need it. And I don't really understand it. Dano? That's all you've got. That's all I've got it. Really?

[00:24:33] [SPEAKER_03] Yeah. Cool. Awesome, dude. Um, so most of mine are the fact that, uh, I, I think what wind calls the heart decided to do the show runners this year was they Googled things that were popular in the 1920s and they're trying to rifle through as many of them as they can in one season of television. Um, which it just is weird.

[00:24:57] [SPEAKER_03] It's like, uh, jazz age flappers, uh, the Charleston sliced bread, 1928. Grilled cheese sandwiches become a big thing during this era. Grilled cheese. Dude, the grilled cheese wave and wind calls the heart is absurd. I like we have to stop someone on the production staff of wind calls the heart did a one, one

[00:25:22] [SPEAKER_03] type research of the 1920s saw that the grilled cheese starting gaining popularity. And now that is all that the queen of hearts serves is the queen is grilled cheese sliced bread. It's still tough to come by in 1920, 21, still tough to come by. But every time you look, somebody is just chomping down on a grilled cheese sandwich. Guys, you blame them. I mean, yes, yes, I can. They have to serve other things aside from grilled cheese.

[00:25:50] [SPEAKER_03] But the problem is, is that the way that they're dealing with education doesn't fit with all of these things they're trying to throw in because in the 1920s, one room school houses basically became a thing of the past. So the problem is, is that Aaron Craiko's character, Elizabeth is butting heads with the superintendent on her project-based learning curriculum. And the superintendent's like, Hey, we can't replicate this for what schools are going to be.

[00:26:19] [SPEAKER_03] Guys, the superintendent is right. She's right. Elizabeth is wrong. What she's doing in project-based learning is way ahead of its time, but how she's doing it is antiquated. It is an old way of doing things. Did you know history lesson, fun fact time. Did you know that universal education was considered a radical idea by education philosophers and education proponents in the early 1900s?

[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_03] People thought it was crazy that the state and the government would fund free education and it turns out really great thing. And when they did it, having classrooms designated for specific ages and demographics made things more complicated, but a lot more holistic and a lot more fruitful for the educational process. The idea that you're going to push project-based learning in a school hall slash church like little house on the prairie is dumb. It's dumb.

[00:27:18] [SPEAKER_03] You're wrong. It's not how to educate children ages five to 18. That's not how you do that. And so the problem is, is like when goes the heart is so desperate to be like, we're doing women's living feminism. We're doing flappers and, and jazz age and Charleston and dancing. You can't just decide that Elizabeth is going to simultaneously be on the cutting edge of education

[00:27:48] [SPEAKER_03] and also dig her heels in on her one, one room schoolhouse for all ages. You can't do it. It isn't progressive. Everything else you're doing is from the progressive age. That's not progressive. You got to pick and choose your battles. And they, they picked and they chose wrongly their brand. That's all I'm saying. They pick and chose. You guys have anything to add there? Were you just cool listening?

[00:28:12] [SPEAKER_02] I was cool. I've learned so much today.

[00:28:14] [SPEAKER_03] Thank you, buddy.

[00:28:15] [SPEAKER_02] But if it was a more interactive way for me to have learned that information.

[00:28:19] [SPEAKER_03] If I could have said like Jax and Bran, you guys are in a group together. Go research the 1920s.

[00:28:25] [SPEAKER_02] Also, Jax and I would just go and play hopscotch. We would not do that assignment. Oh my gosh. Can you imagine?

[00:28:32] [SPEAKER_03] Yeah, it would be the best. Dr. Faith thinks Hickam being sick is hilarious. Either that or Andrew Brooks is breaking during the take. Because when she reveals Hickam to be sick to Rosemary, the director, she has a smile on her face like she is the Joker. She is either, either Andrea Brooks did not know the take included her face.

[00:29:00] [SPEAKER_03] Or Dr. Faith thinks it is hilarious that there is a sickness plaguing all the men who went to the hot springs. It's one or the other.

[00:29:08] [SPEAKER_00] I think my girl knows what a man cold looks like. She's like, uh, LOL.

[00:29:15] [SPEAKER_03] They're sick. They're sick. They're sick. They did it. They have a little bit of a problem here. They're going to be incapacitated for days. And lastly, we have to talk about the Moo Minute. The Moo Minute. What the F, man? But basically, Rosemary has a radio show that lasts an hour. And we hear that there is a show called The Moo Minute that is later clarified two ways.

[00:29:44] [SPEAKER_03] One, it also lasts an hour, not a minute. And two, consists of just animal sounds. So, for an hour straight, there are actual animals making sounds. And that is listened to by more people than Rosemary's radio program that was a smashing success when she started it. Who started the Moo Minute? How do they bring those animals in?

[00:30:14] [SPEAKER_03] Is it a game show? Is it a trivia? Or is it just the soothing sounds of animals? Is it just like this week on the Moo Minute? Is it chicken? Chicken of the week, actually.

[00:30:29] [SPEAKER_02] For an hour straight. Can you imagine? What is it? An hour straight of chicken of the week.

[00:30:34] [SPEAKER_03] Why are people listening? I have so many questions about the Moo Minute. I need to know. I need answers right now.

[00:30:44] [SPEAKER_02] That's all I got, Brent. Thanks, Dan. And let's get to hopes and valleys. This is where we talk about things that are giving us hope for the future and or is bumming us out. Jax?

[00:30:55] [SPEAKER_00] Yeah, I'm hopeful for some more Edie Lucas interactions. Where's that going to go? Bumming me out. Are we, are we, what's going on with Ava? Like, she had a stunning performance as Gwendolyn and the importance of being earnest. Does she just live here now? Are we going to find out what's going on? Is it going to be payoff? Like, what's happening?

[00:31:18] [SPEAKER_03] No show has tried less to stoke the fires of a mystery than Ava on Wind Calls the Heart.

[00:31:24] [SPEAKER_00] It is truly baffling to me. But they, it really, they're not stoking the flames of that mystery. You're exactly right.

[00:31:31] [SPEAKER_03] It's nothing. It's a nothing of a plot line. Yeah.

[00:31:34] [SPEAKER_00] And I don't know, I like her, so she sticks around. That's great. I just, I'm not sure what they're doing there.

[00:31:40] [SPEAKER_02] Yeah, yeah. Same. To that point, that was one of my, the thing, I guess my valley, if you will, is we have these mysteries this season that I can't figure out if they're like all connected or if they're their own thing that they're not giving enough time to. So like the gold thing from last week, is it related at all to the guy, the cattle guy? Is it related at all to Ava?

[00:32:09] [SPEAKER_02] Is it, is it related, like, is any of this related in any way as far as mysteries go? Or is it just a few different things that they're not, that like, they're like this week we're going to focus a little bit on this. And then by the time we get back to the gold, I'm like, oh, I forgot we had the dance with the gold and that's not any way related to the, so I, I would love for it to be all connected in some way.

[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_02] We get some big, like, knives out moment where Bill's like, here's how it happened. Oh, I love that. But my, that's how you know it's not happening. My concern is that it's not, and that they're all just, it's all just disconnected storylines that they're not giving enough time to. So we'll see.

[00:32:58] [SPEAKER_03] Yeah. My Valley, and we've talked about this before, but it's just getting out of hand. My Valley is the fact that this show has no idea what to do with Henry Gowen. He is in one scene again this week, and it's just him talking to Allie and Ollie about salmon. Allie and Ollie. Why? Why? Why? Because I guess they needed to fill his quota or they, he was around and they were like, Martin, Martin, we need somebody. Here are your pages, Martin.

[00:33:27] [SPEAKER_03] And he just came in and I don't know. I don't know. Marty. The most interesting character on the show is consistently doing nothing and he's taking a paycheck. And so I don't know if Marty's happy about that or not, but I think he gets paid the same regardless of how much he's in the show. So pretty easy work day. I mean, he literally talks to Allie and Ollie and that is it. One scene a week. Last week it was with Rev Camfield. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. He, he, what he does has no bearing on the show.

[00:33:55] [SPEAKER_03] And that's sad for us, but I hope he wakes up laughing. I hope he wakes up going, what do you do for a living? Well, you know what I do is I act for 30 seconds, 10 times a year. And I get this check. This is the check I get because it's the best character and they're doing nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing. Best character on television. It's well, let's not, let's not say that, but it is a great character. I said it.

[00:34:20] [SPEAKER_02] We did it, everybody. Congratulations to us. Time for the What's Calling My Heart. I was getting there.

[00:34:23] [SPEAKER_03] Oh, I thought you said, okay. Gosh. I thought you were about to wind up for the Merry Christmas. When you say we did it, everybody, that's the end of the episode.

[00:34:29] [SPEAKER_02] That's the end of the recap.

[00:34:31] [SPEAKER_03] All right. Okay. I think we have a lot of tape that would suggest otherwise, but that's okay.

[00:34:36] [SPEAKER_02] Whatever you say, Dan.

[00:34:37] [SPEAKER_03] You can tell us what's calling your heart by emailing us hello at deckthehallmark.com. This week's email is from Jessica Trinidad. Hello, Jax, Dan, and Bran. And thank you for the countless laughs during your When Calls the Heart episodes. What's Calling My Heart is my 85-year-old mom. She's the most brilliant person I've ever known. My sister calls her Google before there was Google. Whenever we didn't know something, we always knew that mom would have the answer.

[00:35:04] [SPEAKER_03] It was just a question of whether we wanted to hear the entire report on the topic or not. She taught middle school history in Spanish for over 30 years. She is as guerra, Anglo, not Latina, as they come. And yet she learned to speak Spanish perfectly, earning her BA and master's degrees specializing in Spanish literature.

[00:35:25] [SPEAKER_02] That's pretty BA right there.

[00:35:26] [SPEAKER_03] She is a voracious reader, loves all things biography, history, and historical fiction mysteries. She also taught us the importance of doing the right thing at all times no matter what. And being kind and polite works to not burn bridges. Shortly before Christmas, mom fell and broke her leg. She needed surgery immediately, and then she needed to spend time in a rehab nursing home to get physical therapy. My mom spent seven weeks there. She has always been incredibly brave and hardworking, and so it is no surprise that she has been diligent at her PT.

[00:35:56] [SPEAKER_03] And naturally, she passed the time listening to history podcasts and reading a biography of Genghis Khan. Mom is home now and continues on her recovery path. I adore her. I admire her, and I am incredibly proud of the fact, even at age 85, she is still open to working hard to grow and improve. May we all be like Heather, the most brilliant, beautiful, bravest person I know. Much love, Jessica Trinidad. Jessica.

[00:36:23] [SPEAKER_00] Email of the year. That is beautiful. Number one, I hope you share that with your mom. Heather, you sound like an incredible woman. I love your daughter. You raised an amazing daughter. That's very, very sweet.

[00:36:36] [SPEAKER_03] Amazing. Amazing email. We love it. Thanks, Jessica, for writing it.

[00:36:40] [SPEAKER_02] Hello at DeckTheHallmark.com if you would like to send in your own What's Calling My Heart email. We would love to get it. A reminder, you can watch this show and When Calls to Heart as well on Philo. Philo.defeat.h.dth. We would love for you to join us over there. A lot of fun to get to watch the show. Yeah, it is.

[00:36:57] [SPEAKER_03] Each and every week.

[00:36:58] [SPEAKER_02] Not this show we're talking about necessarily, but to watch us talk about it I think is a good time. Yeah, of course.

[00:37:10] [SPEAKER_03] This podcast is produced by Aaron Shea. What? For more information on DeckTheHallmark, you can go to DeckTheHallmark.com. For more information on the DeckTheHallmark family, you can go to BrambleJamPlus.com. DeckTheHallmark is presented by PhiloTV. For a free trial of Philo, go to philo.tv.dth.

[00:37:26] [SPEAKER_01] God bless.

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