When Calls the Heart - S12E12 - Must Be Gold (2025) ft. Jacklyn Collier

[00:00:02] Hi, I'm Bramble Jam and I love When Calls the Heart. Hi, I'm Jax and I like When Calls the Heart. I'm Dan and it's over. We did it and this is the Deck The Hallmark Podcast. Deck The Hallmark, it's this podcast. Friends host this podcast. We hope you like this jolly podcast. Do you want to tell them Jax or you want me to tell them? We did it guys. What did they ride off into the sunset to fix baby Jax.com?

[00:00:39] Diabetes and that, my friends. Jax, I don't think he knows. You know the good news though, right? The good news, like the word of God? Yeah, of course I know the good news. Who doesn't? You know what I mean? You tell them, Jax. Lucky number 13. Lucky number 13 coming back 2026. I'm beginning to think both. Let's go! So first of all, that's not good news and I'm beginning to question the good news. Because of this, because of this, because of this, I'm not going to say.

[00:01:12] This news. Why, guys? At least he proposed this season. We'll definitely have a marriage and it'll be done next season, right? It's full Debbie Downer. You should have gone more or whatever that was. I don't remember. Also, Brian Bird is setting us up. He was like, well, it took, I was talking to Sheila about this. He's like, it took Jack and Elizabeth five seasons. So, you know, she and Nathan need their time.

[00:01:36] Is this buying them four more seasons? Good gosh. No! Brian Bird? The answer's no. How long has she known Nathan? It wasn't a how long had she been dating Jack. They met in season one. That was when they met. She met Nathan in what? Seven? Six?

[00:02:02] It's so ridiculous. She met, she has known Nathan for half the run of the program. Half the run. Needs time. Get at it. I don't want to get to the hot take, but spoiler alert. Get at it. I'm excited. I'm excited about another season. And I'm excited to, that also, even though we're going to be done with a little heart, when calls the heart. You got it.

[00:02:27] We're not going to be done talking to Jax because Jax is coming back in just a couple of weeks to begin going through the Love Club Moms franchise. It was her request and we couldn't say no. No, is this like my demotion of not doing Chicken Sisters? To be fair, Jax, anytime we've done an Up TV movie, I believe you have either covered it with us or you have been in it. That's right?

[00:02:57] Yes. From that perspective, it does work. I don't know if that works, but you're our Up girl. What's Up Girl? I'm our Up Girl. What's Up Girl? Yes, I'm happy to cover the Up TV content with you. Yeah, because we cover so much of it. Yeah. So much. I mean, you've been on When Calls the Heart for six years now, right? Is that correct? Seven years? Five years? Yeah. I've walked this journey. 21, 22, 23, 24, 25. This is, she did five seasons of When Calls the Heart.

[00:03:26] And I did it for Hallmark. Oh, she did more than that because she watched two seasons in 21. That's right. I think you've done it since season six for us. Yeah. Yeah. How about that? And before that for Hallmark. With Bubbly Sess, of course. Every chance Jax gets to mention the Bubbly Sess, she does. Never stops talking. Wait, do you guys know that we spoiled the love triangle? What? No, what do you mean? No one was really paying attention, so it's okay. Thank God more people didn't listen to our podcast.

[00:03:53] We promoted that we were having an interview with Chris McNally two days before the finale aired. Oh, no. Oh. And it was, some people caught on. People were like, well, why would they be interviewing him? It doesn't take a detective to figure it out. You can find all that content on bubblysess.com. Oh, except you can't. It's described from the internet. Well, just give it a shot. See what happens if you go to bubblysess.com.

[00:04:23] Oh, that's right. Yes. Yeah. Just find out. Just find out. Do a little detective work. Let's talk about When Calls to Heart, the season 12 finale. Finale. It's called? We're doing it. No. Diabetes Strikes Back. Oh, that would have been good, but no. Return of the Sugars. Do you know it? Return of the Sugars. No, I don't. It's must be gold. Must be gold. Must be gold. That's a dumb name.

[00:04:52] It originally premiered on the Hallmark Channel on the 23rd of March, and it went a little something like this. Wrong one. Sorry. Crickets are correct. That's not wrong. That is accurate. Starts with crickets. How long are the crickets? Okay, they're done. Baby Jack is back and better than ever out there throwing the baseball with Nathan. It's almost as if the ordeal of diabetes is behind him.

[00:05:21] Elizabeth's words, not mine. Graduation is quickly approaching for the first time in 12 seasons. Nathan and Elizabeth are as in love as ever, matching outfits and all. Rosemary's talking to Bill about how she isn't going to publish the story about the gold situation without knowing where the gold is. I want to know where the gold is. I want to know where the gold is. Bring me the golds. Could be a leprechaun. Could be a crackhead. We got a hold of the wrong stuff.

[00:05:51] She suggests interviewing Edie. Maybe she'll open up more to her than she did to Bill. Nathan is talking to Oliver and gives him a form that's telling him that he's going to be stationed in Fort McNeil after he graduates. And Nathan is confident that he's going to do well on his final exam. Oliver does not seem thrilled. Rosemary goes to talk to Edie and notices a map behind her. Edie tells Rosemary that her uncle drew it. Silly uncle.

[00:06:21] Silly. Always drawing maps. The kids all present. Picture for kids. That's right. The silly uncle. The kids all present their project-based learning projects in front of parents. And Lucas is impressed by this. He tells Elizabeth that he's going to talk to the district about implementing this at other schools. Elizabeth gets a letter from her grandma telling her that Kate Fullerton has great doctors. Kate Fullerton's here?

[00:06:48] Kate Fullerton is here and she has great doctors and is essentially encouraging her to move for the sake of Baby Jack. But Baby Jack is fine. I'm sure there's nothing to worry about. There's no reason to move. Lucas and Edie are playing cards again, talking about her uncle. And they decide that maybe they should try to find the gold coins and return them to their owners.

[00:07:12] Bill, Rosemary, and Nathan are looking at the map when they suddenly notice on the map is a giant well. Maybe it's a clue. Maybe the map is actually a treasure hunt. And the X that marks the spot is actually a giant well. Oliver fails his final exam on purpose because he doesn't want to leave and because he has the hots for Allie. Hi, I'm Allie. I'm Allie.

[00:07:39] And Elizabeth goes to talk to him and then they play tack. Edie and Lucas decide to go dig at the well when Rosemary, Nathan, and Bill show up as well. As well to the well. They all start digging together and they find a chest full of coins. They go back to the office to discuss.

[00:08:02] When Edie realizes that the map that they were looking at, the one behind her desk, is a treasure map, she figures that there might be a secret message on it from her uncle. Once again, silly uncle. She holds it up to a candle and a message appears. He explains that he found the gold and used it to pay for Edie's law school. And he says that the rest of the gold is hers to do with what she wants. There's a sweet storyline about the townsfolk rallying around Angela and Minnie.

[00:08:32] It's very nice. There is a quilt involved. We love to see it. It is graduation time as we go on. And since it's being held at the saloon, as you do hold graduations, there's a dance afterwards. Lucas tells Elizabeth that the school board is interested in hearing more about the curriculum, but she's not sure about leaving Baby Jack right now. Fair. The season looks to be ending peacefully until late that night when Elizabeth notices Baby Jack lying motionless on the couch. She screams,

[00:09:01] Take someone out! Faith rushes over and says, We got a bad batch of insulin. It's a bad batch. It's a bad batch. She tells Elizabeth that maybe Kate Fullerton would be best for Baby Jack after all. So they hop in a car to go to Kate Fullerton to get him some good insulin. She gives Rosemary a note to give to Nathan because they don't know where Nathan is. Nathan's doing his rounds. Yeah, big town, man. Big town, big rounds.

[00:09:30] Nathan and Allie find out and they go after them, honking the horn when they find them. They all get in the car together. And Nathan tells Elizabeth, wherever you go, I go. And then they kiss. And now my friends with us, When Calls the Heart Season 12 Episode 12 Must Be Gold! Must be gold! Must be gold! Must be gold for us right now! We're going to take a quick break. Thanks, Trace.

[00:09:56] And talk about this episode here on Deck the Hallmark. Welcome back, everybody. We're talking When Calls the Heart, the Season 12 finale. We're going to share our thoughts on it with a little segment we like to call the Hot Take. It is where we share our thoughts on this episode. We do not hold back the takes. They are hot. Jax, what did you think about it? Season 12 finale.

[00:10:26] It started off very, very excruciatingly. Oh my gosh. Slow. Like almost so much that I was like, oh, okay. Like this actually did surprise me that it started off so slow. With that being said, there were a lot of great moments. I'll get into more of them in the feels. But Minnie absolutely does a gorgeous job in this episode. There's a beautiful scene with Elizabeth where she says, you know,

[00:10:55] the miracle isn't someday that it goes away. The miracle is that you can learn to handle it. You can carry more than you think and you will for him. You know, from one mom to another. This is really, really beautiful work that we're seeing here. I thought it was really lovely. Edie and Lucas. Okay. It's heating up. It's hot. I'm into it. It's heating up. It's hot. I don't even think Jax believes what she's saying. It's heating up. No, I mean, it is heating up. It's hot. Those two are hot. Those two are hot, hot stuff.

[00:11:24] I cannot wait to see her take those glasses off and that hair down. I'm just saying. You set it up, girl. Rosemary and Elizabeth's beautiful friendship that we get to see. You know, she cries out for Rosemary. I think that it is interesting. You know, we're doing like the whole thing of like, if I'm a bird, you're a bird kind of thing that they do in the notebook. Like, if you jump, I jump from Titanic. When I move, you move just like that. When I move, you move just like that. That's right.

[00:11:53] Actually, that's my favorite. Yeah. It really is. You did, too. Bring that back. So good. I think that it was interesting that we don't end with an engagement in this episode. However, it's very solidified that they are a family, which I think is really beautiful. And as someone who's been engaged for, you know, over three years, what is an engagement anyway? Right. You know what I mean? Just a fancy way of saying boyfriend. You know what I mean? Exactly. Exactly.

[00:12:18] So I think that, you know, I'm cautiously optimistic about next season. I pray, I hope and I pray that we get to see the Hickams in Miami because those two are not going to fare well and I need to see it. There's no way they're going to show us. In Miami. I mean, it's a whole season. They probably won't be there by the time next season starts. It's a spinoff. How about a spinoff? Hickams in Miami. Frickams in Miami. It's going to be a lot of fun. Frickams in Miami. Frickams in Miami.

[00:12:48] Listen, it is what it is at this point in regards to the engagement. Frustrated doesn't begin to verbalize how I feel about the lack of engagement. And I think that the Hardys are with me. I think the Hardys are like, come on. Are you kidding me right now? You think the Hardys are with you? I do think so. I think the Hardys are frustrated at the lack of engagement. I don't know either. I'm not over there like... My finger's nowhere near the pulse of the Hardys.

[00:13:17] I don't know. I have no idea. I was told I'm not allowed to read a Hardy reviews anymore, so I'm not going to. Oh, to protect your heart? No. Remember when I used to read the Hardy reviews? Oh. And then the Facebook group got mad at me. They got really mad. And they said, you can't do that. And I got kicked out. It was a really fun time. Oh, yeah. Maybe not our Facebook group. No. The Hardys Facebook group. But maybe that's why my Facebook... It's almost like they can't stand behind what they're saying. What? Get out of town. But then my Facebook got deleted.

[00:13:46] And now I have a new one. And so maybe I can get back in. Maybe you can get back in. Anyway. I will say they are such sweet people. So sweet. Most of them. And maybe they felt like they were being mocked. And I hope they didn't feel like that. Do you feel... Have you seen anything about the Hardys being a little frustrated at no engagement? People seem like they want an engagement. Yeah. People want an engagement. People want an engagement. But in typical Winkals to Heart fashion, they take things and they say, how long could we possibly go? And then they go longer than that.

[00:14:17] Love triangle. Masters and edging. Yes. They say... Yes. Yes, they are. And so this was a frustrating episode for that reason. And then, you know, I'm getting whiplash. I care about Baby Jack. And as a friend of the show, like to have this whiplash of, oh, the diabetes is behind us. Uh-oh. Bad batch. Was whiplash for me. And I care about my buddy. And so there's that.

[00:14:45] But yes, what does it say about me that the thing that I'm most invested in right now is Edie and Lucas? I don't know what that says about me. Maybe it means that I've been Team Lucas this whole time. But that's the relationship that I'm looking at and being like, that's interesting. Let's do more of that next season. I hope Edie comes back next season because I thought she was a wonderful addition to a show that already has too many characters. Dan? Worst finale of the worst season in the history of the worst show that's ever been made.

[00:15:16] All right. I'm going to tell you why it's the worst finale. You guys have already touched on a few things. Number one, understand Baby Jack, we didn't know he had diabetes until episode 10. Yeah. Okay. So this is not a product of a season of character development. What did we have that was a season of character development? Five people showing up at the same burial site that happened to be in the same woods where every shootout takes place. That's one. Nathan didn't propose.

[00:15:46] What are we doing? Two, that's very important. Number three, I'm going to say this one time. I'm sure I'll say it again, but I'm going to try not to. I know Elizabeth and Baby Jack are coming back to Hope Valley. They shouldn't. They shouldn't. No one in that situation who cares for their child to any degree is not moving immediately. They're moving immediately. They're going to Cape Tolerat.

[00:16:15] Especially with a sickness that doesn't just go away and with a medication that is very new. You need to be as close as possible to the tap, so to speak. Season 13 is happening, so what do we know is happening? They're going to make some excuse. They're going to come up with an insulin factory at the water tower. Lee's going to start a new business. So, stupid, stupid, stupid. Nothing of this season really mattered until the last three episodes. No proposal. Elizabeth leaving.

[00:16:43] And no Gowan in this episode. He's not in it. The best character got maybe 40 minutes of screen time, and I'm being kind this season. This is the worst finale. He's neck deep and nuts, man. This is neck deep and nuts, and that's on his own time. There's no other weekend. It's above board. Listen, this is the worst finale of the worst season of this television program. Hey, Dan, can I intervene? Yeah, go ahead, baby Jack. How you doing, baby? I'm doing all right, man. How about you? I'm doing good. I've got to be honest with you. I'm going to talk to you during the wait once. You need to know that. Well, I just want to say this.

[00:17:13] I take a little bit of an offense, if you don't mind, a little bit of an offense that your least favorite season, least favorite season finale is one where I really get to show my stuff. I know. I'm sorry, baby Jack. I thought we had something. You did a really good job. No, you did a really good job, baby Jack. How you doing up, girl? Would you? Good. I think you did a really, really good job dealing with that baby Jack, and I was feeling for you. How do you think you did in those scenes, baby Jack? I thought I knocked out a puck 10 out of 10. Great. Awesome. I'm glad.

[00:17:43] You look at me. You look at me. We will not. If you look at. No. I put that on the top of my IMDb. How would you rank this season, baby Jack? One of one. One of one? One of 12. I was about to say. Thank you. One of 12. I think it's the best one. I really get to show my stuff. Remember when I did this thing with my neck? Yeah, I do.

[00:18:13] I do remember when you just honked right over the punk. People knew. That's what acting is, right? Jack, I'm going to get to you more in the way what I promise. Jax, where would you rank this season? You guys are all thinking I'm crazy. Where would you rank this season? Like, think of the other. Out of the 13. Out of the 12. Out of the 12. Yeah. Jax has already ranked season 13. Seven. Seven. Okay, yeah. It's not. Look.

[00:18:39] But it's not fair for me to rank it because I honestly can't remember one season for another. But I know that, you know, like the Hamilton season is still up there as my least series. Hamilton would be the one it's battling with. Yeah. This season, I felt like we had some, you know. There were some episodes of movement. Since Lucas and Nathan have been introduced, we have a season where she chooses, a season where Lucas proposes. We have an oil, like complete explosion. We have the switch at the train station.

[00:19:08] We have the government. All those sound like freaking Jerry Bruckheimer produced action movies compared to what we got this year. I do think, though, as far as frustrating seasons go, the season where she breaks things off with Lucas is probably more frustrating. But it was from a, we have this potential. But it was must watch TV. Sure. They end with them sitting on that log out there where they said, be safe for the first time or whatever. I don't know. But like it was, we all, it was like watching a train wreck. Yeah.

[00:19:38] This is like watching nothing except I don't get to watch nothing. This is better acting though. But it's not good television. It's just not. But I think that this season is like a sweet spot for when it calls the hearties. This is a show where not a lot's going to happen and occasionally we'll get a little couple bumps in the road. I'm just saying if you rank the six seasons since Nathan and Lucas have been around by finales only, not by seasons as a whole. Finales only. This would be the worst finale of those six seasons.

[00:20:07] What was last finale? Last year's finale was their kissing. Yeah. And that was great. That like, this is the worst finale of the modern six seasons. And so if you want to go back to the previous six seasons, yeah, Hamilton may, you may be right, but there's six episodes that are like an hour 20 each. I think I save a few minutes. So I think that alone gets me a little bit. I'm just saying, guys, this is even for this show, like no Gowan, no proposal.

[00:20:36] It just, it was just none of these storylines clicked for me. Last year we had Bill and Rosemary who are like solving a real crime. That felt like it mattered. This was, this was a tough watch. It was a tough watch. And I hated it. Yeah, it's fair. I think the argument is no, no swing is safer than big swings. And so you can kind of watch this season and feel good and calm. And if that, that's, you know, I want to be very clear.

[00:21:05] Like the season where she chooses Nathan at the end or choosing Luke chooses Lucas and they kiss with all the candles and the, wherever they are that season, I'm sure there's a large contingent of people watching this show. That is their least favorite season. Yeah. I'm not talking about what season is my favorite or least favorite. I think this is the worst qualitatively. I'm not saying this is my least favorite season. I'm saying that. I understand what you're saying. Yep. That's fair. They didn't build very well.

[00:21:34] They didn't develop character very well and they didn't give us anything. And so I just, yeah, it's real bad. Let's get to all the feels. Jax. And I was about five years old and I was watching Grease for the first time and stalker Channing as Rizzo was making out in the back seat with a Knicky, I believe. And I felt something funny that I didn't know what it was. Just this tingling. And I felt that same tingling when Edie said the word abscond.

[00:22:04] I was like, oh, okay, my girl. So I really enjoyed that. She got abscond feels. I got abscond feels. Now this is a completely different feel I want to make very clear because I'm about to talk about someone who's underage. Oliver, I mean, the fact that he, when he said about never getting to be a kid, it really, really touched me.

[00:22:29] And I mean, it's a little bit silly that everyone's running around thinking that he's trying to stay in Hope Valley for Allie. Yes. Does he love Allie or does he like Allie? Sure. But this man never got to be, or this gentleman boy, never got to be a kid. This gentleman boy never got to be a kid. And I was very touched by this.

[00:22:55] And then, of course, as I mentioned in the hot take, Millie, Millie, Millie, Millie. Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful. And Rosemary being there for Elizabeth. There were lots of feels for me as well as the end when Nathan got, you know, if you move, I move just like that. And also baby Jack, you guys, his sweet little face. Thank you. Yeah. You were really good. We really ran the gamut there from the abscond to ludicrous.

[00:23:24] It was impressive. I contain multitudes. Yeah, you do. You sure do. So, listen, I don't really know how to feel because I felt about halfway through this episode, I was getting concerned. And I told you, we went into this episode, we were like, we're getting a proposal. Yeah, we knew it. We were pretty convinced of it. Yeah. And about halfway through, I didn't feel like we were- Proposal vibes. We weren't moving that way. You know how you can kind of just feel it? I didn't feel like we were moving that way.

[00:23:53] And then when the whole thing happened with baby Jack, we begin to realize that uh-oh. Uh-oh. It was a lot of uh-oh feels in this one. Yeah. That's the only way I can describe it. Uh-oh feels. Because I just felt like, listen, we're not the showrunners. We don't know the conversation that goes into in the writing room about proposal versus non-proposal. It does seem like this show more than any other show that we cover is why do this season what we can do next season or in two seasons from now.

[00:24:22] Um, and so a lot of uh-oh feels while we were watching this. Dana? Uh, yeah. I think I'm just going to abscond from this segment. Okay. Fair enough. Fair enough. You abscond away. Wait, can I steal one of yours then? Because I was too busy thinking about absconding. And uh, when they read Edie's letter from her uncle, out of all the Martells, he wore the brightest with the biggest heart. I actually did tear up at that show. Oh. Come on. Well, that's nice. I'll take that one? Yes.

[00:24:52] And we'll move. You teared up too. I did. Oh, yeah. That's beautiful. Big tears. Uh, let's take a quick break. We'll come back and we will, uh, not eat. We're not going to eat yet, Dan. We're not going to eat yet. We're going to come back and make it. We are not eating lunch yet. Even though it smells so good. It smells so good. We're not going to do it. Here on Deck the Hallmark. Welcome back. We're talking Winkles of Heart Season 12 finale here on Deck the Hallmark.

[00:25:22] Jax is with us per usual. It's time for The Wait What. It's where we talk about what in this episode made us go away what. And I'll start with you, Jax. So, wait. Was that lunch arriving? Lunch arriving. The hubbub I saw earlier when I was pouring my heart out and no one was paying attention. I, I, Jax. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. We contain multitudes. I would, yeah. I was like, I'll move through this like a professional. You were crushing it. You were crushing it. And everyone listening is going to have the same experience. And everyone watching. We have it to where. That's right.

[00:25:51] No one was going to know. File it at TV slash DTH. Yes. Until Jax called us out. But also Uber Eats, notoriously bad at their job. I, I, I, they were supposed to deliver in between 1220 and 1230. They were here at 1203. So. Intriguing. So shout out to Uber Eats for doing it. So that's where we're at. For doing it. For doing it. Aside from what happened here in the office. Any other way it was for you? I, I only have two. So when they're like, oh, Timmy and Emily got together. There it is. It was a story. There it is.

[00:26:21] We've been following all these days. I'm so glad that you. The fact, this is, gang. I'm just letting you know if you're listening and you're a Winland Calls Heart fan. This was so bad that Jax picked up on it. Okay. In Erin Craiko's opening narration, she says, Timothy finally found the courage to confess his feelings to Emily. And I said a cuss word. I literally was like, what is, what are they talking about?

[00:26:50] Who, like, who, how did this make the opening? How did this make the opening narration? How did this get to the front of the line? How? Well, I am someone who will usually blame myself in situations. So I was like, I guess I missed this storyline that must have been running through the entirety of season 12 to make it into the opening monologue of Valley. My other thing was, at this point, I am angry about this.

[00:27:19] Where the heck is Lily? Yeah. That's exactly right. It's so, guys, it's making you so mad. I literally made a joke, Jax, while she's talking to Elizabeth and Elizabeth is like, what would you do for Lily? And I'm like, oh, the girl who we haven't seen a whole season yet. What would you do for Lily? What would you do for the girl that's taking care of herself? Because it seems like you wouldn't actually do anything for Lily. No, I assume she went back with her grandma. And look, look, before when I was angry about this, I understood that Faith wasn't on the

[00:27:49] show as much this season because Andrea Brooks was having a baby. I totally understand that. No judgment there. I understand why we couldn't work Lily in if Faith wasn't there. This just in, Jax, no judgment for having babies. We do have that on the record. We have that on the record. That's right. She's got three, though, so that's probably enough now, right? Okay. Andrea Brooks, I adore you. I'm just teething. She contains multitudes. She's on two TV shows and has three kids. I think she's an incredible woman. But anyway, yes, where the heck is Lily?

[00:28:18] Yeah, it's real bad. Yeah. I got a couple. One, you talked about our boy Oliver, who's had, you know, he's grown on me. He was one of these people who entered the show early on this season. I was like, we don't need another one of these. But here we are, and I felt like it's been an upward journey. An upward journey. An upward journey, and I've come to enjoy Oliver.

[00:28:43] What I didn't enjoy was the scene where Elizabeth looks at him and says, tag, you're it, and then runs off. Yikes. I didn't like it, and it made me uncomfortable, and I just want that on the record. I talked about how Frickums, the Frickums, if you will, going to Niagara Falls was an interesting choice. It was going to take a long time. You know what's also going to take, and somehow they found a place further away than Niagara Falls from Hope Valley. Miami Beach.

[00:29:12] They're going to go to Miami Beach. They're going to be journeying to Miami Beach for the duration of season 13. They won't be back. They're not going to be back next season. I'm convinced of it. Because they're like, what's the furthest corner to corner? How far can we get these people so they're not here next to you? I just think the showrunners have grossly overestimated. I don't know what the highest amount of over 10 overestimates.

[00:29:38] They have grossly overestimated how often and how far small town people in the 1920s traveled. Like, guys, they didn't. Going to Miami was like a once-in-a-generation trip. Like, maybe. Not even once in a lifetime. Maybe never. Yeah. But also, like, they've wasted so many tickets on this show. Between Lee and Rosemary's mini. Oh, my gosh. Just burning money. Like, we're going to San Fran. Just kidding.

[00:30:07] And he, like, has the tickets. They had the Niagara Falls tickets. Did they not? Yes. Just burning money. Crazy. Crazy amount of tickets have been wasted. That's all I'm saying. Dan? I looked over at Brian 25 Minutes In just to put a finer point on what Jack said. And I said, listen, I know this isn't going our way. But I'm just thankful Timothy found the courage to confess his feelings to Emily. You know? Like, if you had asked me, if you had read a list of characters to me and asked me if they were in When Calls the Heart or Not,

[00:30:36] I would have definitely said no to at least one of those two names. Like, maybe both. But I would have definitely said no to one of those two names as being in the program. Yeah. And they made the opening narration. Shout out Timmy. Hey, we finally have a graduation, as you mentioned. Yes. And we definitely should have that in the school slash church, right? I mean, it's the perfect building. That's where I would have it. There's a lectern. There's a podium. Outside even? Outside. Do you want to bring your animals? What about the bar?

[00:31:04] We have a church and a schoolhouse that's set up for a formal ceremony. What if we have it in the dark, dingy bar? Well, I think it's a rite of passage. You know, in 1921, you were old enough to drink when you graduate, I think. And so, you know, you get your diploma, you get a bevy, and you have yourself a good night. All of the hemming and hawing two seasons ago of Elizabeth not wanting to move to Capital City with Lucas.

[00:31:34] If she, which is fine, if that's not where her journey is. Doesn't want to move for a boy. That's right. If she doesn't want to move for her child, worst person of the year. Worst person of the year. Worst person of the year. Got the call. Yeah. You got to leave. You got to leave. Lee is bartending in this episode. Get a life, Lee.

[00:31:54] Lee, get a lumber business, newspaper running, radio, wife supporting, bar owning. Get a GD life. He is a workaholic. You have a problem, sir. But can still show up to radio shows eating popcorn. You have a problem. Yeah. It's unbelievable. It's a workaholic. Lastly, baby Jack, I hate to do this to you, but if you could come back on. What's up, baby boy? How you doing?

[00:32:21] And I don't want to also call out Bran, who loves you. I love you, buddy. When I was watching this, I was watching it with my buddy, Bran. Right. And in the very dramatic scene where Aaron Crako finds baby Jack unconscious. How about that scream? Screams. It was loud in my ear. For Rosemary. Screams for help. You definitely smile. The baby Jack definitely starts to crack a little bit of a no tooth. Yeah, I can talk about this. Smile.

[00:32:51] And when I was watching it, baby Jack, I was going to let it slide. But my buddy, Brandon, guffawed. He laughed so hard at baby Jack being in a diabetic coma, but also smiling. Yeah. That I had to bring it up and ask you about it. Thanks for asking. Thanks for talking. Yeah, of course. Listen, I don't do anything, you know, without thinking it through first. Yeah. If it made it to air, it had to go through my people and I didn't give it a thumbs up. You get final cut. Yeah, I do. Oh, wow.

[00:33:20] It's in the contract. I thought that it was a little funny. And a lot of people might be asking, baby Jack, what were you smiling at? What was funny? What were you thinking about? I'll tell you right now. You want the exclusive? I want the exclusive. I will tell you this right now. The thing that was bringing a smile to my face was thinking of your dumb face, Dan. I got him. That's good. That's good. I wasn't smiling. You are. You're taking it back. You weren't smiling. I'm taking it back. Okay. Heck yeah, bro. Got it. Got it. Great.

[00:33:50] What you don't know, and you've never been in a coma, I don't think. Nope. So I was reading that little book, see? The little book, see? And something in the book made me giggle before I, you know, comb it off. Yeah. So you comb it into a smile. Yes. I got it. Okay. I got it. I was smiling. But it was a coma smile. It was a choice. It was a choice you made. Great. Jax, you didn't happen to catch that, did you? I didn't. I didn't. And, you know, honestly, that's in the editing.

[00:34:20] It is. It is. That's in the editing. It is in the editing. It is in the editing. I'm back around. He gets final cut, though. I get final cut. That's right. All right. Great. That's all I have. Okay, great. It's time for What the Hallmark is. We wonder what could have been. Maybe having us to clear any questions that we still have. Just kidding. It's time for Hopes and Vows. Hopes and Vows. It is the part of the show we're talking about hope for the future. You crushed that with the Hallmark contract. It was unbelievable. It was unbelievable. It's almost like I've done this a thousand times.

[00:34:51] Jax, anything in this episode giving us hope for the future or maybe something that's bumming you up? Yeah, I'm going to go with bumming me up first and then on a high. Okay. It is going to be interesting to see how they navigate this diabetes diagnosis. Either it's going to go completely by the wayside or it's going to be like this where it's randomly jarring rather than an everyday feature of life and the ups and downs that go along with that with all the nuance of that because there's already so much going on in this show and so many characters.

[00:35:20] We'll see what happens with that. But also, I fear Lily's not coming back. And what's giving me hope for the future is Edie and Lucas, baby. I think at this point, are we just going to have a double wedding with Elizabeth and Nathan? I mean, might as well. Might as well. Yeah, listen, of course. That's the thing that's giving me hope for the future. And maybe Elizabeth and Nathan, they're moving away. And now this is the Lucas and Edie show. That's too good to be true.

[00:35:51] I'm here for that. And the thing that's bumming me out is, you know, again, talking about our guy Oliver. We love Ollie. We love Ollie. We love Allie. Timothy, Emily, all of them. And, you know, he was concerned. He didn't want to go to Kate Fullerton, so he bombed the test, remember? And now it seems as if he can go to Kate Fullerton. It also seems like he's, you know, got the feels for Allie. They did a whole dance together.

[00:36:18] But now Allie is in the car driving away. Yeah. This is all stuff that happened. Lots of stuff. Lots of stuff for our guy Ollie to juggle, you know, to figure out what's next for him. And I'm worried we're never going to see him again. I'm worried that we're going to get to next season and Ollie's going to be gone. And all we're going to get is, all we're going to get is, Ollie moved to Kate Fullerton to begin his career as a mountain. Timothy and Emily are engaged and expecting their first child. Yes, that is what I'm expecting next season.

[00:36:48] And that would bum me out because I'm here. I'm here for the next generation of Wayne Calls the Heart to start right now. It's on the backs of Allie and Oliver. And we're here for it. Dan? Do you remember when the season ended with Gallen knocking on Abigail's door? Oh, my gosh. You remember how exciting those times were? Come on. Pregnant with possibilities. I mean, just so many. So is she. So we, I just, I'm all valleys.

[00:37:19] Like, what do we have to, like, Elizabeth's coming back. We don't know where Gallen is. She's going to endanger her child. We don't have a clue what Gallen's doing, nor do we care. He's back at her door. Once a year. This show's a mess. It's a mess. And there's literally, this is the first time I don't have a hope for the following season. The first time. I do have a hope that it smells great in this room and I'm going to eat lunch. Yeah, that sounds really good. But not before we get to the what's called my heart. It's where we read an email. Somebody sent in to hello at decktheholmer.com and let us know the thing that is calling their heart. Making them a little bit happy right now.

[00:37:48] Dan, final one of the season. I just started listening to Deck the Hallmark while on a New Jersey-Pittsburgh road trip with a friend in 2021. The improv of it all had us hooked. Improv? We script the whole thing. Is she thinking of a different Deck the Hallmark? Like Baby Jack. It's a mess to script that guy. And we have to get him. It's unbelievable. Book him out years in advance. When I got home, I shared it with my then 21-year-old daughter. We will call her Hornet. Hornet is high-functioning on the spectrum.

[00:38:17] She has an affinity for language and wordplay. So she enjoys puns, improv, and especially Brand's unique use of the English language. Thank you, Hornet. That makes fun of you. I love it. Thank you, Hornet. You have excellent taste. She loves all of the guests that you have on the show and the inside jokes you share with us. We often say, saw them live, or that's Garland for you. Hallmark movies are not really our thing, but listening to the pod has led us to watch a few.

[00:38:42] We enjoy the curious caterer movies, and we would never have gotten to see Hall of the Holly or Three Wise Men if Dan hadn't enjoyed them first. That's too much pressure on me. She has a tender heart, so she doesn't like to listen to the episodes with Jonathan Shapiro. Sorry, Jonathan. Love you, Johnny. And she is a staunch defender of Brand when Dan has pushed him too far. Oh, I love Hornet! Hornet, you're okay. No, you're wonderful, Hornet. Are you kidding me? Even though she knows it's probably a bit, it is. Brand sounds that upset.

[00:39:11] She gets upset, too. I feel like Hornet and I have a lot in common. Oh, my gosh. Hornet, don't listen to the ranking episode. Don't do it. I am way ahead of her listening to the podcast episode, so if you ever did happen to read this, I don't know when she'll ever hear it. I just thought you should know how much we've enjoyed listening. What's calling my heart is that Hornet and I have our own little code instead of inside jokes that the rest of the family do not get. We'll look sideways at each other and start giggling together.

[00:39:41] We have new traditions together, like crafting while laughing through Hannah Swenson mysteries when no one else is home. We think of poor Brett Debbie whenever we see his mom's packaging at the store. We even bought the Christmas movie magic card game and forced everyone to play with us. She's working hard to go through online school to complete a writing degree and hopes to be an editor. Maybe she could fix Hannah Swenson for us someday.

[00:40:09] I'm so grateful for Hornet and for another way for us to connect with each other. Thanks. Just call me Hera. P.S. Tracy, where are you? We miss you. Come back. Hornet, just skip the Shapiro episodes. We're giving you permission to skip the Shapiro episodes. What an email. What an email. Love you, Hornet. Hornet, you're the best. Hera, you're also the best. Brett Debbie loves you. Trace loves you. I love you, Hornet. Yeah. Wow. Shout out. Shout out to Hornet.

[00:40:39] I love Hornet. You love Hornet. Yes. That's right. They're from Charlotte. They play basketball. They do? Go Hornets. That's a different Hornet, I think. Oh. Yeah. Basketball's my favorite sport. Like the way they dribble down the court. All right, everybody. We're going to be back next time with another one. Jax, we did it? We did it. I love you guys. We're going to be back for Love Club Moms with Jax. Look forward to that. Deck the Hallmark is a Bramble Jam podcast. It's produced by Aaron Shea. What?

[00:41:09] For more information on Deck the Hallmark, you can go to deckthehallmark.com. For more information on the Deck the Hallmark family, you can go to bramblejamplus.com. Deck the Hallmark is presented by Philo TV. For a free trial of Philo, go to philo.tv slash DTH. You're about to hear some ads that help keep the lights on here in the old studio. Thanks for listening or don't listen. It's really up to you at this point.

[00:41:38] It's at the end of the show. I mean, you're listening to me. Hi. But here they come. I promise they're coming. Yep, here they are. Happy day.